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01-22-2011, 12:42 PM
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That has nothing to do with a non NHL player picking his team
THESE ARE THE RULES OF THE CBA YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT BUT ALL THE GM'S KNEW THESE ARE THE RULES STOP BEING ******** ABOUT HIM NOT GOING TO SO AND SO TEAM JESUS

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Even with the highest choice of lottery you still won't be guranteed the first pick u do know its a LOTTERY u may have higher chances. But wouldn't you want to save a franchise get more money fan base. I'm sure some islanders fan may just show up to see the goaile he won 44 games last year that's A LOT and who cares of his stats in KHL. It's a different league you can't compare both leagues.

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Wow the ****ing holy CBA is ****ing striking again. Yeah great Bettman you equal overall *****fying the league why the **** can't a player WITHOUT a damn contract decide where he WANTS to go damnit.

hope he doesn't report though ******** bush league this has become seriously **** you Bettman.




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Know what — the Isles did exactly what they are supposed to do regardless of their standing position....

So many fans from around the league like to take dumps on the Isles for not having a plan or program or a commitment to winning or building a winning culture.

Well — today Garth Snow did something he felt would make the Islanders a better team and he has said consistently through the start of the season when the Isles played well right through the losing streak, the injuries and all of problems they have endured this season — they are going to do what they can to get better in the long and short term, and if a deal makes sense to address a need, we are going to do it.

Well they did, and it does.

This may have been said already but with DiPietro never being 100% and now Lawson down with injury this move makes sense. He is 6 years younger then Roloson — who was GREAT but it was time to move him especially if he was not going to be resigned next year. This also allows Poulin — who is the teams future #1 IMO to develop properly in the AHL for the remainder of the season.

The job of a GM is to make his team better both at the present and in the long term.

The team is better with Nabokov for the remainder of the season.

The team is far better off in the future by allowing the Kevin Poulin to develop in the AHL — and I would add this ...

If the team wins 3-4 more games with Nabby in goal and thus drafts 5th instead of 3rd so be it....because it wont surprise me one bit to see Snow trade this years pick if he can get the return back that gives the rebuild a big boost by obtaining a prime player back.

Lastly — the team does have a plan: To build through the draft and add around that drafted core through other means. Well they have done that. And if anyone bothered to pay close attention, you'd see it too. They have added Okposo, Bailey and Tavares and to that is Travis Hamonic, Calvin De Haan, Kevin Poulin, Nino Neiderreiter, and Frans Neilsen. We can't overlook Matt Moulson — who I believe has a good shot at resigning with the Isles. And finally to this "core" it is difficult to underestimate the play of Micahel Grabner — who is 4th in rookie goals right now.

This takes time. And it has NOT been 20 years of rebuilding. It has been 2.5 years. This rebuild began after the Smyth deal and in 2008 when the Isles move down twice and landed Josh Bailey, Travis Hamonic, Matt Martin, and Kevin Poulin - not to mention Kirill Petrov and David Ulstrom who show some promise. Not a bad haul from that first drat. We have 4 players currently from that draft playing for the team!


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Because as we have seen, other teams would likely have put in waiver claims. If the Isles had wanted Nabakov, they could have signed him, he still would have had to pass through waivers, and the Isles wouldn't have gotten him.

The point of players who started the season in Europe having to pass through waivers is so players don't play half the season overseas and then cherry pick the top teams for relatively inexpensive deals. It's also so teams perhaps with cap issues can't say to players "Go play in Russia for 3 months, we'll open up some cap space and then "sign" you and bring you over."

These players were also under contract to their European teams. Either they asked out, broke their contracts, or their teams wanted them gone. NHL players can't break their contracts and go sign with a new team in mid season.
This is a post in the Waivers thread on the main board. WINGS FANS READ THIS AND STOP WHINING! Waivers were implemented in the CBA for a legit reason.

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Yeah, Isles situation at the time was worse even than CBJ's admittedly. Nevertheless, it seems ironic that this rule being fairly applied was a "dick move" at the tima nd is now "a team making itself better."

For the record, I like this move for the Isles and I hope it does improve the team.
Let's take into account that there was no precedent when CBJ did it to the NYI two years ago. That was the first time I can remember that happening. It was unexpected. But it was obviously within the rules, and the whining about it wasn't justified.

Now, we've seen Svatos and Wellwood be claimed in the last couple of weeks. Detroit shouldn't have been surprised when it happened.

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God, Nabakov has a NMC. He cannot be traded unless he waives it.
He also has to clear waivers again for him to be traded.

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=350469

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as a pro player who has played in Europe after the NHL season has begun, Nabokov is subject to some specific waiver regulations (which are different from "normal" waivers for players who start and finish the season in the NHL) after the initial claim has been made.

That includes the following:
-- If the team that claims and is awarded Nabokov decides to subsequently trade or assign the player, they must:

a) put Nabokov back on waivers again, where any team, including the Detroit Red Wings, could then claim him. Again, priority claim belongs to the team lowest in the standings.
Only if Nabokov clears waivers would the team holding his rights be able to trade him.

b) get Nabokov's permission to put him on waivers and/or trade him as Nabokov, once he is a member in good standing of the NHL, has a No Movement Clause in his contract.

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he can be traded just read this

Originally Posted by CBA Article 13.20(b)
(b) A Player who has been acquired by Waiver claim shall not be Traded to
another Club until the termination of Playoffs of the season in which he was acquired
unless he is first offered on the same terms to the Club(s) that entered a claim when
Waivers were requested originally and the offer has been refused.

hence he can't be traded to wings cause the wings couldn't put in a waiver claim
Article 13.23 is the relevant one for Nabokov. It's not clearly stated whether both 13.20(b) and 13.23 would apply or 13.23 only. I think the most reasonable interpretation is 13.23 only, however if both did apply that would mean to trade Nabby the Islanders would not only have to first offer him to the teams that previously made claims, they would then have to put him through waivers again where all teams are eligible to claim him.
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13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside
North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his
Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs)
only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the
Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or
Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim.

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NICEEE, now Poulin can go develop in the AHL and Nabokov takes over the role Rolli was in....so if u think about it Roloson=Nabokov which then means we basically got Wishart for nothing because the hole that was created from that trade was filled with a guy that can do exactly what Roloson did.

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"I didn't make the move because I was concerned about our goaltending or Chris Osgood's health,'' Holland said. "We were exploring a unique opportunity."

Well, that settles that.

Smart move by Holland.

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Know what — the Isles did exactly what they are supposed to do regardless of their standing position....

So many fans from around the league like to take dumps on the Isles for not have an plan or program or a commitment to winning or building a winning culture.

Well — today Garth Snow did something he felt would make the Islanders a better team and he has said consistently through the start of the season when the Isles played well right through the losing streak, the injuries and all of problems they have endured this season — they are going to do what they can to get better in the long and short term, and if a deal makes sense to address a need, we are going to do it.

Well they did, and it does.

This may have been said already but with DiPietro never being 100% and now Lawson down with injury this move makes sense. He is 6 years younger then Roloson — who was GREAT but it was time to move him especially if he was not going to be resigned next year. This also allows Poulin — who is the teams future #1 IMO to develop properly in the AHL for the remainder of the season.

The job of a GM is to make his team better both at the present and in the long term.

The team is better with Nabokov for the remainder of the season.

The team is far better off in the future by allowing the Kevin Poulin to develop in the AHL — and I would add this ...

If the team wins 3-4 more games with Nabby in goal and thus drafts 5th instead of 3rd so be it....because it wont surprise me one bit to see Snow trade this years pick if he can get the return back that gives the rebuild a big boost by obtaining a prime player back.
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BTW guys guess who got this right and got it before ANYBODY else...*************** from twitter
http://twitter.com/#!/incarceratedbo...38928213069824
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**BREAKING NEWS** NY Islanders have let it be known that they will put a claim in for Evgeni Nabokov if he is signed by any NHL team
20 Jan via web

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Per Chris Botta's wesbite:

His agent, Don Meehan, went on record to Bob McKenzie declaring that Nabokov would report to the team that acquired him on waivers. His audition for a contract for next season will be with the Islanders.

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I see what you did there.

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Wow the ****ing holy CBA is ****ing striking again. Yeah great Bettman you equal overall *****fying the league why the **** can't a player WITHOUT a damn contract decide where he WANTS to go damnit.

hope he doesn't report though ******** bush league this has become seriously **** you Bettman.
Please tell me your 13 year old brother hacked into your account.

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THESE ARE THE RULES OF THE CBA YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT BUT ALL THE GM'S KNEW THESE ARE THE RULES STOP BEING ******** ABOUT HIM NOT GOING TO SO AND SO TEAM JESUS
Right, and my point is that the rule is garbage.

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Yeah, what are they thinking trying to win hockey games?

I know the travesty, right? What are we thinking?







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BTW guys guess who got this right and got it before ANYBODY else...*************** from twitter
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**BREAKING NEWS** NY Islanders have let it be known that they will put a claim in for Evgeni Nabokov if he is signed by any NHL team
20 Jan via web

Well considering the Devils said they weren't picking him up, that only left Edmonton in our way. A lot of people speculated the Isles would take him. Incarcerated didn't break something we already didn't know.

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These posters get it. Losing continuously doesn't build better players.
Agreed.

A day after losing lawson to an injury,they have a chance to replace him with an experienced Nabakov.Imo it'd be a bad move if the isles didn't claim him.What a lousy message to young players,several of whom will be entering contract talks with the isles over the next 2 summers.

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So, a few years ago, when this BURNED US as we tried to get Dubie back, nobody had a problem with it. Now that we benefit from it, it's poroblem? CRY ME A RIVER.

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Let's make the reasons for why the Islanders claimed him clear.

1) NYI trades Roloson for Wishart when it looks like DiPietro can finally handle the load of an NHL season. Immediately after, DiPietro gets hurt again, and 20-year-old Kevin Poulin gets forced into action alongside Nathan "ECHL" Lawson.

2) It becomes clear quickly that trading Roloson so early was a mistake because 1) Lawson is terrible, 2) DiPietro is unreliable, and 3) Poulin, despite having some promise, needs more seasoning during his first professional season. (And let's not even bring Mikko Koskinen into this discussion at all.)

3) The Isles have one of two options here: a) let this play out, ruining any hopes of the Isles being competitive at all or b) find a temporary solution with an eye on protecting their future investment (Poulin). Clearly, they went with (b).

Regardless of whether or not they want to tank for the higher draft pick (note that they don't, because no team wants this), it makes sense to claim Nabokov, a cheap temporary solution, to protect future investment Poulin. Lawson's injury yesterday may have forced Snow's hand, but regardless, it makes sense for the Islanders to do this from that standpoint.

So can everyone stop overreacting now that this is clear?
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Right, and my point is that the rule is garbage.
Agreed just because its another of Bettmans equality rules doesn't mean I have to like it in fact i hatee it, cause it kills a players and a teams freedom to sign a guy that wants to play for a team and doesn't have a contract.

This league is more more geared towards rewarding losing instead of winning. last place = top 5 pick guaranteed bottom 5 = top 5 to pick waivers jesus christ.

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Right, and my point is that the rule is garbage.
In some people's point i guess it is but it's to make sure no team will be stacked and what not who's know by the end of this year with the GM meeting they may complain about it bc im sure detroit and st. louis GM will be against this for sure lol

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I don't see why the rule needs to be done with, but I do feel it needs to be changed.

This rule has been in place before the current CBA, it's to prevent teams from stashing players in Europe and then bringing them in just before the playoffs. There's even more incentive to do it now because of the cap.

Personally, I think the rule needs to be changed so that only teams below the signing team have a chance to take the player off waivers, but the rule is in there for a good reason, so people should really stop whining about it.

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I know the travesty, right? What are we thinking?










Well considering the Devils said they weren't picking him up, that only left Edmonton in our way. A lot of people speculated the Isles would take him. Incarcerated didn't break something we already didn't know.

incarcerted guy is a joke--why even post his crap--a few weeks ago he claimed that he was the first one to link Roloson to Tampa and he dared anyone to prove him other wise--he made the mistake of listing his date he predicted it--three weeks after Jim matthieson of the Edmonton Journal predicted it==his response to the information--put me on his inore list==they guy is an idiot

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