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Nabokov claimed by Islanders. Will not report & Can't be traded part II
if Nabakov wants to play he can solicit another team who would be willing to compensate the Isles for his contract
That's fine. Can we knock off the retirement BS then? Islanders suspend him and then get a late pick out of it after all of this trouble. It isn't worth it but if Snow is dumb enough to go for it then whatever.
I didn't think it possible for Nabokov to look worse, Snow introduces himself and Nabby hangs up? That's professional. That says I want you to help me work this out to my satisfaction.
Honestly at this point I hope he sits out and the Isles can toll his contract. He's being a dick who cluelessly didn't think that some other team would claim him? Really? Everyone *****es that Wang and company don't do enough to improve their team but when they try to they're vilified. Whatever. Go Isles. I'm becoming more and more a fan of Garth Snow. A GM who did right by Roloson and traded Wis for a nice pick when it was obvious he wouldn't re-sign with them. People on here need to look beyond their team bias and see this situation for the reality it is.
This.... I salute your rationality
as I said this isnt the NBA and Nabby isnt Carmello Anthony
Yes, he was traded WITHOUT HIS CONSENT.
Trades and waiver claims happen WITHOUT CONSENT.
Just like in a trade, who gives a bleep if you don't like the outcome?
It happened anyway.
Not at all.
I compare these two, because trades occur whether the player likes where he's going or not(barring NTC).
And waivers happen whether he likes it or not.
A guy like Ryan Smyth being traded out of Edmonton IS like Nabokov's situation in that, they were part of transactions they DID NOT LIKE.
With a trade, with a waiver claim, there's NOTHING the player can do about it.
They have that common link. Without your permission, to a team you don't get to pick.
So yes. I am comparing the two.
ok but you lost me..... the two situations have nothing relevant to do with each other in the present situation. Other than the Islanders, in both instances, ended up looking silly
Not at all.
I compare these two, because trades occur whether the player likes where he's going or not(barring NTC).
And waivers happen whether he likes it or not.
A guy like Ryan Smyth being traded out of Edmonton IS like Nabokov's situation in that, they were part of transactions they DID NOT LIKE.
With a trade, with a waiver claim, there's NOTHING the player can do about it.
They have that common link. Without your permission, to a team you don't get to pick.
So yes. I am comparing the two.
At least when Smyth was traded the Islanders had a chance at the playoffs.
Smyth would have been even more upset if he got traded to a team that is 3rd last in the standings.
Yeah because then Oil would have drafted Seguin. Or traded that first pick to the Bruins and then drafted Seguin. The Oilers also did a lot of interviews with their potential draft picks before making the pick.
The Oilers don't need players who don't want to play for them.
but what if every top of the Draft did that? do the oilers take the 27th best player with their #1 pick?
I seem to remember a certain former Ranger did that to Edmonton a few years back, and oiler fans were up in arms over it and they had every right to be so.
The point is you cannot allow yourself to be held hostage or then it becomes rampant, There comes a point where you have to make a stand for principle
ok but you lost me..... the two situations have nothing relevant to do with each other in the present situation. Other than the Islanders, in both instances, ended up looking silly
My point with this is;
Nabokov was claimed off waivers, by a team he clearly didn't want to be claimed off waivers by.
A player getting traded, be it Ryan Smyth or whoever. We can make up a scenario. Matt Moulson has made it clear he wants to stay on the island.
Let's say Matt Moulson gets traded to like. Ottawa.
Matt Moulson does not want to go to Ottawa, he wants to stay in New York.
Probably a bad example, but follow that logic for any player being traded.
They don't WANT to leave in most cases. Or suppose a player is coming back to the Islanders from the Red Wings.
If you're a Red Wing and you were traded to the Islanders, you probably wouldn't like it.
But you'd have to play anyway.
Same with a waiver claim, in my opinion. It's not in your hands.
Things happen whether you want them to or not.
but what if every top of the Draft did that? I seem to remembera certain former Ranger did that to Edmonton a few years back, and oiler fans were up in arms over it
The point is you cannot allow yourself to be held hostage or then it becomes rampant, There comes a point where you have to make a stand for principle
I'm not following you when you refer to a former Ranger who did that to Edmonton.
I think the point here is the players are people too. They have these big contracts and they should still have the right to walk away from all the money if they don't want to play for the team that has their contract.
Do you really think Isles fans have no right to be upset? How about the guy acts likes a professional, sucks it up, and plays out the rest of the season as an Islander?
Ummmm, he doesnt want to play for the Islanders...
This waiver business is ********. I'm not sure why the NHLPA hasnt fought for a rule that would allow a player to cancel his contract and become a UFA instead of being put on waivers. I look at it like being tranferred at your job to a ****** end of town, with a bunch of people you don't like. It's not a healthy environment for anyone
i think this is a really cunning move by snow. he realised the waiver draft position of the islanders puts him in a strong position. if you want to get a guy past him you gotta pay up. nabokov isnt going to play for the islanders and if anyone would like to see him released back onto waivers youll kindly send them an assett they can use. if nabby wanted to play for a contender there were offers in the offseason he chose not to take
And all that cash still has them in the playoffs the same amount of times as the Islanders since 2000....
Whatever, why do the Rangers even enter this conversation?
Sather has nothing to do with this Nabby business. You want to poke fun at the Rangers for signing Redden and it not working out, ok I get it, but Sather left himself a clever loophole.
The difference here is that Redden WANTED to be a Rangers. Teams rarely make moves for guys they know wont come to their team. I'm sure some traded guys were unhappy but within the NHL players show the respect to at least go and make the best of a trade.
Nabby is a FREE AGENT. Its quirky with the Euro waivers, but he's free not to want to be part of a bottom feeders rebuild process at this point in his career.
I'd be surprised if most people didnt understand this. Infact I think most people do. But Snow and Wang.... Im not so sure. They do puzzeling stuff sometimes.
Red Wings and Nabokov agreed to a deal, both aware of NHL CBA.
Islanders, needing a goalie, claim Nabokov. This is within the CBA.
This is the whole story and nothing more.
Yet, somehow Nabokov is the victim. He was aware of the CBA before he signed in Russia... no one made him do that. No one made him sign with Detroit for peanuts. He is an Islander through 100% his own choices. Not to mention, control your agent more - don't let him say he'll report to any team so he can be showcased so you can look like an idiot hours later.
And LOL at people trying to act like the Islanders are stupid for offending the mighty Ken Holland and the Detroit Red Wings. Red Wings gambled (small gamble, I might add) and lost.
There is no underlying stupidity here, except amongst HF posters.
This situation makes me think of Jagr and his statement a year or two ago that he would come and play for the Penguins in the playoffs if they were interested.
Would probably see a very similar situation had that happened.
