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Nabokov claimed by Islanders. Will not report & Can't be traded ‎ part II

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01-22-2011, 04:09 PM
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Nabokov claimed by Islanders. Will not report & Can't be traded ‎ part II

Part 2.

Previous thread here:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=867900

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and so the nabby saga continues. How many others have been graced with 3 threads?


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time for another summary.

1. The isles are out $3,375 USD (the cost of the waiver claim). Wang must be thrilled.

2. The isles now have 2 options: suspend him without pay, or waive him again.

A) Suspend without pay
- nabby would not be able to play in the NHL or any league with a transfer agreement until he honored his contract with the isles. Based on the yashin precedent, this could extend indefinitely.

B) Waive him
- nabokov would first need to waive his NMC. Obviously, he would do so.
- nabokov will then be offered to all teams in the league on waivers again. Regular waiver order applies.


relevant section of the cba
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Originally Posted by CBA 13.23
13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside
North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his
Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs)
only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the
Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or
Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim.

still at question, is he reporting or not?

Don Meehan says he wont report: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=550290
Garth Snow insisting that he's an islander and he expects him to report: http://twitter.com/#!/DarrenDreger/s...12951616339968

also, chris osgood DOESNT think the isles suck.
update, ozzie doesnt think the isles suck.

update, lebrun on hnic satellite hotstove tonight suggested that:

- if the isles make a deal with someone, nabby will first be offered to the other teams that claimed him.

- if they just waive him without a deal, he's available to everyone.


I dont agree with the first statement though...


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I don't blame him for not reporting.

He is trying to play for a contract and a starting job next season, not to get lit up behind the worst team in the league night in and night out.

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I don't blame him for not reporting.

He is trying to play for a contract and a starting job next season, not to get lit up behind the worst team in the league night in and night out.
But the Devils didn't claim him.

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I don't blame him for not reporting.

He is trying to play for a contract and a starting job next season, not to get lit up behind the worst team in the league night in and night out.
His agent shouldn't have said that Nabokov will play for any team then.

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Islanders are a joke lol Do they even know what direction their team is headed? They trade Rolly just to get better and claim Nobakov? lol

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He can't owe just half a season. Players only become free agents on July 1. If he is suspended, and still under contract for the Islanders at all next season, it's for the whole season.
That makes sense.

Still, if he owes a whole season, while at first signing a 6-month deal...

Expect a lawsuit.

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I don't blame him for not reporting.

He is trying to play for a contract and a starting job next season, not to get lit up behind the worst team in the league night in and night out.
Right.. because that's what happened to Roloson. Or, he played amazingly and was noticed and is really helping a TBL team.

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Anyone know what the deal here is? I have to make a call between picking up Nabokov or Kiprusoff off waivers in my fantasy pool, trying to figure out who would be the better bet.

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people need to realize that if he gets suspended it means he doesnt get paid and if hes not getting paid he doesnt owe them anything next season.

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I don't blame him for not reporting.

He is trying to play for a contract and a starting job next season, not to get lit up behind the worst team in the league night in and night out.
He is perfectly within his right to not report.

I have issue with the people who think the Islanders did something wrong.

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people need to realize that if he gets suspended it means he doesnt get paid and if hes not getting paid he doesnt owe them anything next season.

Nabokov signed a contract and before he signs another contract he must fulfill his first one. By refusing to report and play he is not fulfilling his first contract.

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That makes sense.

Still, if he owes a whole season, while at first signing a 6-month deal...

Expect a lawsuit.
From everything I've gathered, it's not the same as the Radulov situation. He will be a UFA come July.

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Predsv82: "just because you say this doesnt make it so.

the rule is logical and fair.

without it there would be chaos and evey february there would be 15 aged euros signing with the top 5 teams."

The rule is not logical and fair. Teams can sign North Americans, why not Euros? And what is fair about forcing a player to play for the lowest bidder? The player has no say in this, which is what is unfair. For instance, Nabokov wanted to resurrect his career, which he can't do for a terrible team like the Islanders. That and the fact that one team spends money and time negotiating and the crappiest team to bid reaps the benefits?

It's not a fair rule, it never has been, it's just never been so obvious on such a large scale before. Just as the Blues. It's a dumb rule and there should be more player discretion. In the cap world you can't just call up a bunch of Euros anyway. It doesn't make sense.

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people need to realize that if he gets suspended it means he doesnt get paid and if hes not getting paid he doesnt owe them anything next season.
everyone making statements like these is just speculating. there are precedents to support either side of the argument

I suspect enough people are asking this question so it will be officially clarified by the league soon.

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So far, the only one who's been right about everything he's said is Chris Osgood.

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So why exacly isn't he reporting? what an *******...

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His agent shouldn't have said that Nabokov will play for any team then.
Wait.............so you're telling me a sports agent..............lied?

I don't believe it.

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He is perfectly within his right to not report.

I have issue with the people who think the Islanders did something wrong.
That's the thing. BOTH parties did what they felt was best for themselves. That's all it comes down to. Don't know why anyone has to be blamed here. Both parties did what was in their right to do.

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So what is it?

If he's suspended...is he or is he not, getting UFA status?

A lot of speculation, but I haven't seen a quote yet (either from the CBA or an expert).

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Nabokov signed a contract and before he signs another contract he must fulfill his first one. By refusing to report and play he is not fulfilling his first contract.
I'm almost 100% positive this is not the case. In all the discussions previous to this, it has never been indicated he would "owe" the signing team anything. He can't play this season, but next season he IS a UFA. It's not the same rules as a player leaving an NHL mid-season for Europe and owing their team the remainder.

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He should have thought this through before going to the khl. He knew the risks so suck it up and play. Meehan and nabby are not in the driver seat and I see no reason why the isles should waive him. Kind of like rewarding a spoiled child when acting up.

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From everything I've gathered, it's not the same as the Radulov situation. He will be a UFA come July.

More info regarding tihs

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Islanders are a joke lol Do they even know what direction their team is headed? They trade Rolly just to get better and claim Nobakov? lol
When they traded Roloson they had Rick DiPietro & Nathan Lawson healthy. When they claimed Nabokov they have neither DiPietro or Lawson healthy.

You want to talk about the subject at hand, then at least know the details.

Now betting on Rick being healthy...that was the stupid move by Snow.

And again, if you people are so insistent on bringing up Roloson, then wouldn't you trade Roloson for a prospect & Nabokov also?

Leaf fans LOLing at other teams is so odd to me.

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Wait.............so you're telling me a sports agent..............lied?

I don't believe it.
Well blame Meehan than not Islanders for claiming him.

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