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01-22-2011, 10:19 PM
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Chicago - Toronto

To Toronto:
Brian Campbell
1st 2011

To Chicago:
Dion Phaneuf
Brett Lebda


Flamesuit, Initiated

Edit: forget the first deal, I know realize the fanboys that worship Campbell and his albatross contract.


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01-22-2011, 10:20 PM
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Chicago says "hell no" on the first one.

Toronto says "hell no" on the second one.

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01-22-2011, 10:22 PM
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Chicago says "hell no" on the first one.

Toronto says "hell no" on the second one.
I'd say that's a bang on assesment.

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01-22-2011, 10:23 PM
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Option #1 is completely ridiculous! What exactly are Chicago giving up a first and Beach for? Because all i see is a bunch of garbage going back. A first and a good prospect get you talented players

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01-22-2011, 10:25 PM
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Brian Campbell is a 100% non-starter to Toronto. They just cannot afford to take on that kind of contract on the blueline. There are literally 27 other teams in a better position to do so.

Chicago also doesn't really have a major urgency to get rid of Campbell, because despite his salary he is a useful defenceman for them. Would they pay to get rid of him if they could? Problably, but they wouldn't be willing to pay enough for someone to take him on.

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Option #1 is completely ridiculous! What exactly are Chicago giving up a first and Beach for? Because all i see is a bunch of garbage going back. A first and a good prospect get you talented players
3 years of cap relief and a offensive dman prospect that they somewhat lack in their system.

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01-22-2011, 10:28 PM
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What......the.....****. That first one is absolutely god awful. I would like to let the AVGN describe it, but I'd get infracted.

The 2nd one is awful too.

Btw, I mean awful for Chicago.

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01-22-2011, 10:29 PM
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If the Leafs would say no to proposal number two, they're stupider than proven. Phaneuf's contract is way worse than Campbell's, Lebda is horrible and on a horrible contract, and you get a 1st?

What possible reason to say no? The only one I can think of is the pride of Brian Burke, naming Phaneuf captain and proclaiming him the franchise player of the future more or less.

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3 years of cap relief and a offensive dman prospect that they somewhat lack in their system.
Ya and they get another cap eating Dman back. Even though Campbell is over payed he is very important to Chicago. Blacker is an average prospect so basically Chicago is giving up a 1st and Beach for someone to take Campbell and some scraps

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These are pretty bad but brought back good old offseason memories of "Kaberle wishes he was the player that Campbell is"

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Chicago says "hell no" on the first one.

Toronto says "hell no" on the second one.












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If the Leafs would say no to proposal number two, they're stupider than proven. Phaneuf's contract is way worse than Campbell's, Lebda is horrible and on a horrible contract, and you get a 1st?

What possible reason to say no? The only one I can think of is the pride of Brian Burke, naming Phaneuf captain and proclaiming him the franchise player of the future more or less.
Not at all. They are close to the same quality of defenceman (should be making somewhere in the mid-high-4s) based on their current play. Phaneuf is paid $6.5, while Campbell is paid $7.1. Phaneuf has 3 full seasons left on his deal while Campbell has 5. Phaneuf is 25 years old with his contract ending at 29, so he still has some room to improve. Campbell is 31 years old with his contract ending at 38, so he's likely to decline.

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Burke is not trading Phaneuf. He wouldn't dare.

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3 years of cap relief and a offensive dman prospect that they somewhat lack in their system.
"offensive dman prospect that they somewhat lack in their system"

Obviously you aren't familiar with the Blackhawks system. Besides the offensive puck moving dmen already playing for the Hawks - Keith and Campbell, the Hawks now have Leddy playing up with the big club who is also an offensive puck mover. Then at the AHL level there is Lalonde, Vishnevskiy and Connelly who are all offensive puck moving dmen.

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Burke is not trading Phaneuf. He wouldn't dare.
Yes, that's why the Leafs would say "hell no", although I do believe the Hawks take it up the behind in both.

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Awful.

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01-22-2011, 11:13 PM
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Option #1

To Toronto:
Nick Boynton
Victor Stalberg
Chi 5th 2011

To Chicago:
Mike Komisarek
Brett Lebda
Jesse Blacker

This is a lot closer. Though would never happen cause of the cap.

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01-22-2011, 11:19 PM
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Personally, the second proposal that everyone is saying would be terrible for Toronto, on second thought could actually work. Granted Burke would never do it because he has a love affair with Phaneuf but the Leafs would be getting the better player right now plus a quality draft pick.

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Personally, the second proposal that everyone is saying would be terrible for Toronto, on second thought could actually work. Granted Burke would never do it because he has a love affair with Phaneuf but the Leafs would be getting the better player right now plus a quality draft pick.
A lot of your posts are gibberish, but this is 100% correct. Campbell is a better player than Phaneuf.

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01-22-2011, 11:31 PM
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Not at all. They are close to the same quality of defenceman (should be making somewhere in the mid-high-4s) based on their current play. Phaneuf is paid $6.5, while Campbell is paid $7.1. Phaneuf has 3 full seasons left on his deal while Campbell has 5. Phaneuf is 25 years old with his contract ending at 29, so he still has some room to improve. Campbell is 31 years old with his contract ending at 38, so he's likely to decline.
Campbell is making better decisions with the puck, better decisions in the D-zone, a great skater, improving positioning by the day while Phaneuf still runs around like a blind dog on crack. Phaneuf has the big shot, though, but Campbell occasionally hit the net, the back of the net, or a stick of a teammate. And hey, Campbell throw the occasional youtube-highlight-hit as well.

Phaneuf is stronger along the boards, I'll give him that.

Plus - you get rid of Lebda, right?

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Campbell is making better decisions with the puck, better decisions in the D-zone, a great skater, improving positioning by the day while Phaneuf still runs around like a blind dog on crack. Phaneuf has the big shot, though, but Campbell occasionally hit the net, the back of the net, or a stick of a teammate. And hey, Campbell throw the occasional youtube-highlight-hit as well.

Phaneuf is stronger along the boards, I'll give him that.

Plus - you get rid of Lebda, right?
Campbell plays in a much better system and on a much stronger team. That's the only reason he looks any better than Phaneuf.

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Campbell plays in a much better system and on a much stronger team. That's the only reason he looks any better than Phaneuf.
Is that the same reason John Mitchell isn't looking like Jonathan Toews?

I think that's ridiculous. It's not Phaneuf's teammates that are Phaneuf's big problem, it's himself.

By the way, why would Phaneuf improve so much further on just because he's younger? If anything, Campbell's the one improving. Is it because of all the great hockey sense and smartness Phaneuf's showing and making people think he will once dominate a game like Chris Pronger?

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Campbell was looking good in Buffalo, San Jose and Chicago before they got super awesome. It's ok to admit that Campbell is a better player than Dion. It's ok jfried.

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Just ignore jfried, he's off in his own little world.

The only thing Phaneuf has over Campbell is that he has a harder shot. That's about it. He's rarely even physical anymore, so it's not really a strong point.

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