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I was just wondering What it would take for Ottawa to get Seguin. I understand it would take an overpayment and there has been many threads about Karlsson for Seguin but I want to get a Boston fans perspective.
I was just wondering What it would take for Ottawa to get Seguin. I understand it would take an overpayment and there has been many threads about Karlsson for Seguin but I want to get a Boston fans perspective.
It would take a massive overpayment, so much that the Bruins just couldn't say no and so much that every Sens fan would think it was the dumbest move their team has ever made.
Nobody knows what he will turn out to be in say 3 years, he could be an all star 100 point #1 center, we just don't know, but in order for the Bruins to trade him, the Sens would have to treat it like they are trading for an elite player otherwise the Bruins will probably just wait and see if he does become that kind of player.
And no, I don't think the Sens would ever in a million years give up that much for an unproven player.
Boston won't touch this. Maybe Spezza and a 1st round pick. I know Spezza is a great player but the fact that he is 8 or 9 years older than Seguin makes the difference. Boston can build Seguin the way they seem fit and i think most of us can agree that Seguin has the potential to be just as good or better than Spezza in a few years. If Ottawa has any shot at Seguin they'll need to start with Karlsson and throw in a good bit more IMO.
Seguin won't be dealt. Especially for Spezza. He's a good player and all and I think a few Sens fans throw him under the bus, but there is no reason for Boston to trade their best prospect for him, especially considering how high Spezza's contract is.
Agree 100%, but this deal would benefit the Sens fans wayyyy more than the Bruins.
Look how far away the Sens are and how semi-close the Bruins are to going all the way. The Sens would really really like to have Seguin to compliment their rebuild while the Bruins can simply wait until Seguin turns into the player he should become. I don't think Spezza would put them over the top as much as drafting and patience would. Plus Spezza's contract has no place in Boston. Not that he's drastically overpaid, but there's a big difference between his contract and Seguin's ELC. Boston happily passes.
Agree 100%, but this deal would benefit the Sens fans wayyyy more than the Bruins.
Look how far away the Sens are and how semi-close the Bruins are to going all the way. The Sens would really really like to have Seguin to compliment their rebuild while the Bruins can simply wait until Seguin turns into the player he should become. I don't think Spezza would put them over the top as much as drafting and patience would. Plus Spezza's contract has no place in Boston. Not that he's drastically overpaid, but there's a big difference between his contract and Seguin's ELC. Boston happily passes.
I'm not proposing Boston would deal Seguin for Spezza. I'm saying, Ottawa would never deal Spezza for Seguin, and if Boston was in Ottawa's position (i.e.: they had Spezza) they would not deal him either.
Also, the Sens are hoping to re-tool, not rebuild.
Seguin is not worth Karlsson+, unless that plus is a late round pick. Now straight up, yes fair value.
look... we don't want to trade him... so it have to be over payment... as stated in original post.
Value wise... Seguin\Karlsson is about equal, perhaps balance tipped in Seguins favour due to where he was drafted and potential... that isn't a knock on Karlsson but he is nearly 3 years older and has 2 more years of development under him... basically you know what you got, Seguin is still up in the air.
Now to pry Seguin out of Boston... it will take MINIMUM Karlsson+ in order for them to consider it.
I think it would most definetly take more than Karlsson...
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Yeah, that all-star defenseman at 20 on pace for 50 points is worth less than a Center drafted 2nd overall who's 4th in depth on the team.
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Do people even listen to themselves? Is draft status all that matters? I wouldn't trade Karlsson for Seguin + Toronto's 2011 1st. I'm not saying that Karlsson is *worth* Seguin + Toronto's 2011 first, but Karlsson has established he's a #1 defenseman. Now. Today.
He could be lights out good. There's absolutely no reason to give him up for someone who is more potential and less certain. If you want to include him as a package thing in a deal for Doughty or a proven first line player, fine.
Any discussion for Seguin begins with Karlsson+ and go from there.
I agree the question I have is what is the +
I think that Seguin is a guy you build a team around. I am a big fan of Karlsson and would not trade him unless a player like Seguin was coming back. Taking a look at Boston to me the only piece their missing is a guy like Karlsson.
I've suggested in the past
Fisher, Karlsson for Seguin, Savard
but that seemed to be turned down by Boston fans (personally I think Fisher fits in better with Boston then Savard)
Seguin for Karlsson would work for me as a B's fan. Gives the b's a blue chip defensemen, and gives the sens a bluechip forward. Then Boston targets a forward with Torontos 1st this draft.
Yeah, that all-star defenseman at 20 on pace for 50 points is worth less than a Center drafted 2nd overall who's 4th in depth on the team.
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Do people even listen to themselves? Is draft status all that matters? I wouldn't trade Karlsson for Seguin + Toronto's 2011 1st. I'm not saying that Karlsson is *worth* Seguin + Toronto's 2011 first, but Karlsson has established he's a #1 defenseman. Now. Today.
He could be lights out good. There's absolutely no reason to give him up for someone who is more potential and less certain. If you want to include him as a package thing in a deal for Doughty or a proven first line player, fine.
