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02-09-2011, 11:19 PM
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How about Desjardins?

I know that won't go over well here, but I'd be curious as to what he could help fetch, as I personally think our goalie situation would be fine without him.
I wouldn't mind it, honestly, as I kind of assume we'll give Roloson another contract.

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02-09-2011, 11:22 PM
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I wouldn't mind it, honestly, as I kind of assume we'll give Roloson another contract.
At worst, you've got Tokarski and Ellis automatically (barring any offseason deal involving the latter) and most importantly, have money to spend at the position.

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02-09-2011, 11:27 PM
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At worst, you've got Tokarski and Ellis automatically (barring any offseason deal involving the latter) and most importantly, have money to spend at the position.
Exactly. I have questions about Ellis but hey, I think every team feels that way about a backup. Thats all up to them though. They really dont seem to have **** in the pipeline as far as goaltenders but might just be gambling on UFA fun again.

Hell, maybe you can flip Ellis to them.

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02-09-2011, 11:33 PM
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Posted a thread on the trade forum to stir the bees. Heh.

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02-09-2011, 11:51 PM
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Stir some discussion. Seabrook is still in my mind as a longshot but you make the call anyways.

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02-09-2011, 11:56 PM
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Stir some discussion. Seabrook is still in my mind as a longshot but you make the call anyways.
Yeah its like the likelihood of getting them would be

.00001% chance:
Weber






20% chance:
Seabrook



50% chance:
Phillips
Kaberle



Etc etc


Its funny to me on the trade boards when other fans dont know any of our prospects except Connolly and Ashton, they automatically suck. Its amazing really.

I think something like:

Harju+Wright+Philly 2nd(2012) or TB 1st(2011)

for

Seabrook

Is pretty damn solid for both teams. But what do I know.

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No lottery pick? Hes a nobody.

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No lottery pick? Hes a nobody.
You know I wish I could back in time and see any trade proposals that had guys like St Louis or Datsyuk or Zetterberg etc involved in them before they played in the NHL. Or go the complete other way and see how much people thought Daigle and Stefan etc were worth.

Id love to see the responses.

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Couple of thoughts, all based on my personal opinion.

First, I really doubt there is any scenario where Desjardins would be on the table. That just makes no sense for an organization that has consistently stressed that they are concerned with protecting the future of the franchise.

Second, and a lot of you wont like this. With the way the league is right now, there are a lot more buyers then sellers, so the asking price is going to be high, and I think it will be higher then SY is going to want to pay in most cases.

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02-10-2011, 12:32 AM
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Couple of thoughts, all based on my personal opinion.

First, I really doubt there is any scenario where Desjardins would be on the table. That just makes no sense for an organization that has consistently stressed that they are concerned with protecting the future of the franchise.

Second, and a lot of you wont like this. With the way the league is right now, there are a lot more buyers then sellers, so the asking price is going to be high, and I think it will be higher then SY is going to want to pay in most cases.
Would agree on both counts. This is more an exercise of fun at this point. Even with all the injuries I think SFY would be ok with us making the playoffs, making a little noise, and getting ready for next season with more of HIS team on the roster.

Honestly Ill be surprised if we get anyone worth mentioned (if anyone at all). But its fun to throw around trade ideas and get feedback on it. To me at least haha.

Although if Harju is where it seems he is with leaving back to the SEL if he doesnt get his chance. I would wonder if SFY is trying to move him for something at this point.

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02-10-2011, 01:29 AM
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I wonder how willing CHI is. They'll have 15 mil in cap space, but they still have to sign nearly half a team. Frolik has two 20 goal seasons under his belt and will be an RFA so you figure he'll get mid 2 million, perhaps 3.

Cap status: ~13 million

Corey Crawford is an RFA who has been over .910 and will be also getting a bit of a raise or walking. If he walks, they have ZERO goaltenders. Say Turco walks and Crawford gets that money tacked on his 800k for a total of 2.1, so you're still at 13 million. You go out and get a backup on the cheap, say a million.

Cap status: 12 million

Hendry and Boynton make league minimum and are both UFAs. That clears a million but you're looking for two more at a million overall. Uhhh.

Now you also have 4 RFAs and 3 UFAs. ALL of those are under 1.275, including 3 under 550k.

A lot of money comes off the books for CHI but if they give Seabrook his market value, they've got like 40 ****ing dollars to sign about 9 people.
My opinion is you will see Seabrook resigned with Hawks at cap hit around 4.8 mil or he will be traded (Cant afford another longterm deal over 5 mil)

Cap is expected to rise some ,,, So lets add only 1 mil as modest increase

This is how I could see things shaking out

- Seabrook resigned at 4.8 mil cap hit
- Brouwer resigned at 2.225 cap hit (Short term benefits both sides)
- Frolik at 2 mil cap hit (His poor season thus far hurts his bargaining power)
- Resign our #4 C Dowell at 100k increase
- Bring up Igor Makarov and Ben Smith from Rockford
- Sign a capable bottom line RW for 900k
- Sign cheap vet extra forward
- Sign cheap #6 dman for 1 mil cap hit (Brent Sopel comes to mind ,, His family still lives in Chicago)
- Sign cheap depth dman for #7 spot
- Resign Crawford at 2 mil cap hi
- Either bring over Salak from Europe at slighly less then his original cap hit or a UFA vet #2 (Conklin or Garon make sense)

And this is what I come up with

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Troy Brouwer ($2.225m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Michael Frolik ($2.000m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Ben Smith ($0.812m)
Igor Makarov ($0.552m) / Jake Dowell ($0.625m) / Vet FA RW ($0.900m)
Vet extra forward ($0.625m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($4.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Brian Campbell ($7.142m)
Nick Leddy ($1.116m) / Vet FA Dman ($1.000m)
Cheap #7 dman ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.000m) /Alexander Salak ($1.100m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $60,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,129,670; BONUSES: $545,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $170,330

Give or take a little on costs we can expand a little on the cap room and we can use Rockford shuttle with Makarov/Smith (Sending players back and forth from Rockford on off days) to open up more cap room

Hawks cap situation is much improved from last season.

The 2 biggest issues are Seabrook and Sharp longterm deals

I think with Morin in Rockford and Kruger coming over from Sweden to AHL next season the Hawks will probably not resign Sharp longterm (He will be 31 going on 32 at time)

We shall have to see but the Hawks have some nice young pieces in system and cap flexibilty to go forward

-- As you see I dont have Stalberg on team ,,,,,, I hope He is next guy traded from Chicago as he is an utterly terrible player --

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02-10-2011, 02:22 AM
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I dont know about the rest of you, but I wouldn't mind bringing in Kaberle if the price isn't to steep. We can use a good puck moving defensemen. Put him with someone that is defensive minded like Kubina and we could see some very good results. Just a thought.

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Trouble with Kaberle is that probably his biggest talent is quarterbacking the PP. We just brought up Bergeron to help the PP. St. Louis is a good enough QB for the kind of PP we run where its:

Fire one timer.
Any Rebounds? Yes/No?
Rinse Repeat.

Kaberle isn't the best defensive guy in the world either which is the area we most need help with in our overall game. A guy like Seabrook is much better than Kaberle in his own zone, and still has talent to contribute offensively.

That said, I wouldn't be opposed if we got Kaberle. Just would much prefer Seabrook.

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02-10-2011, 07:19 AM
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Plus Seabrook is a lot younger.

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You know I wish I could back in time and see any trade proposals that had guys like St Louis or Datsyuk or Zetterberg etc involved in them before they played in the NHL. Or go the complete other way and see how much people thought Daigle and Stefan etc were worth.

Id love to see the responses.
Patrik Stefan has forever warped my value of 1st overalls.

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Trouble with Kaberle is that probably his biggest talent is quarterbacking the PP. We just brought up Bergeron to help the PP. St. Louis is a good enough QB for the kind of PP we run where its:

Fire one timer.
Any Rebounds? Yes/No?
Rinse Repeat.

Kaberle isn't the best defensive guy in the world either which is the area we most need help with in our overall game. A guy like Seabrook is much better than Kaberle in his own zone, and still has talent to contribute offensively.

That said, I wouldn't be opposed if we got Kaberle. Just would much prefer Seabrook.
As I see it, Kaberle is a clear upgrade on MAB, who was signed kind of out of nowhere to fill a role that needed to be filled. The fact that they chose him indicates the options available.

While I agree that we could use some help with the defensive aspect of the game, I don't think we should bring in another defensive-defenseman when we've already got Ohlund, Kubina, and an overall lack of production out of pretty much everyone. That's why I didn't think Beauchemin would be a smart play.

Today's defensemen suck. It's like either you only get a defensive-defenseman who can't do anything with the puck, or a pylon who pinches. Anyone who can do both to a non face-palming degree is an instant all-star

A team's situations can change quickly, so let's hope that the playoff race starts to sort itself out in the next two weeks.

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Like somebody has already pointed out, I think MAB means no Kaberle.

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What about Regehr?

I would trade Malone + Harju + R. Jones + 2nd for him

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What about Regehr?

I would trade Malone + Harju + R. Jones + 2nd for him
Gonna have to get Malone to waive his NTC

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What about Regehr?

I would trade Malone + Harju + R. Jones + 2nd for him
I wouldn't do that, not sure either if Calgary have any need to move him (even if this offer is good for them).

Desperation will just mean we will lose more than we gain.

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And now news has come out that Malone could miss 6 to 8 weeks. Yeah, he's going nowhere.

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And now news has come out that Malone could miss 6 to 8 weeks. Yeah, he's going nowhere.
Allright, didn't knew that, oh well, hope he recovers well

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Yeah its like the likelihood of getting them would be

.00001% chance:
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20% chance:
Seabrook



50% chance:
Phillips
Kaberle



Etc etc


Its funny to me on the trade boards when other fans dont know any of our prospects except Connolly and Ashton, they automatically suck. Its amazing really.

I think something like:

Harju+Wright+Philly 2nd(2012) or TB 1st(2011)

for

Seabrook

Is pretty damn solid for both teams. But what do I know.
What was the one offer I saw for Seabs over there? Connolly/Ashton/Kubina + 1st?


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Komisarek is also on the block and is being shopped by Brian Burke in Toronto. In the right setting Komisarek is a decent defenceman, takes some stupid penalties but his play right now is a product of the team he's on.

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Komisarek is also on the block and is being shopped by Brian Burke in Toronto. In the right setting Komisarek is a decent defenceman, takes some stupid penalties but his play right now is a product of the team he's on.
God no.

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Komisarek has a terrible contract.

I doubt Tampa will touch this

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