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01-27-2011, 04:34 PM
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I got the sense this would happen after Conroy was waived.

Cant say I am surprised or upset.

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01-27-2011, 04:48 PM
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I always had hope Kotalik would pick it up. He has the size, shot and skills to be a force in this league. He clearly just doesn't have any heart or passion for the game. Good riddance.

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01-27-2011, 05:02 PM
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He has the size, shot and skills to be a force in this league.

Very true, and unfortunately it's completely wasted on him.

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01-27-2011, 05:39 PM
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Talk about great news!!!!!! Peace out Kotalik, you wont be missed.

Nice move by Feaster, if Sutter was still in the driving seat he would of signed Kotalik to a 6 year deal cause the guy is a veteran.
Sutter was a lot better than you make him out to be. He did a lot of good things for this franchise and there are a handful of deals that made his rep go sideways.

Kotalik does not belong in the NHL. He is old, slow and washed up. Good riddance Kotalik. He is still a "good player" but he just needs some confidence. Skill wise he is still all there.

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01-27-2011, 08:02 PM
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Sutter was a lot better than you make him out to be. He did a lot of good things for this franchise and there are a handful of deals that made his rep go sideways.
Yeah, he was good for the first 3 yrs, the last 2 yrs were real bad though...starting with the first Jokinen deal and it went down here since.

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01-27-2011, 09:03 PM
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Sutter was a lot better than you make him out to be. He did a lot of good things for this franchise and there are a handful of deals that made his rep go sideways.

Kotalik does not belong in the NHL. He is old, slow and washed up. Good riddance Kotalik. He is still a "good player" but he just needs some confidence. Skill wise he is still all there.
Sure he was good and did a lot for this organization, but it is nice to see someone come in and clearly make moves towards a new direction... especially with a move 100% of the fans agree with.

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Talk about great news!!!!!! Peace out Kotalik, you wont be missed.

Nice move by Feaster, if Sutter was still in the driving seat he would of signed Kotalik to a 6 year deal cause the guy is a veteran.
And don;t forget the NTC he would have got

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01-27-2011, 10:53 PM
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The blind Sutter hate amuses me. Sutter already placed Kotalik on waivers. Feaster does it and all of a sudden he is a god. Kotalik had a strong pre-season, no reason to give up on a talented guy like Kotalik after an injury. There is absolutely nothing that suggests Sutter would not do the same thing after Kotalik struggled coming back after an injury.

All Feaster love I see makes me upset. He smiles that's about it. He says our core is fine, he's bad at drafting and doesn't sign good contracts much like Sutter. He negotiated the White deal.

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01-28-2011, 10:08 AM
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Kotalik had a strong pre-season, no reason to give up on a talented guy like Kotalik after an injury.

Oh come on, he wasn't exactly lightin' it up before his injury. The guy has been a complete waste of a roster spot since he arrived here. Yeah he's got talent, but it means absolutely nothing if he doesn't use it.


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01-28-2011, 11:36 AM
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Matt Walker (PHI) and Ales Kotalik (CGY) clear waivers.

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01-28-2011, 12:17 PM
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So re-entry for Kotalik?

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01-28-2011, 12:54 PM
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Matt Walker (PHI) and Ales Kotalik (CGY) clear waivers.

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So re-entry for Kotalik?

I highly doubt he'd get claimed on re-entry, but if he did it would suck to be stuck with $1.5M next year for a player who isn't on the team. At the same time, I don't want to see him sent to Abbotsford either. Should be interesting to see what happens. Isn't there any way the Flames could find him a place to place in Europe? And if that were the case, would we still be stuck with half his contract?

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01-28-2011, 01:02 PM
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As expected.







I highly doubt he'd get claimed on re-entry, but if he did it would suck to be stuck with $1.5M next year for a player who isn't on the team. At the same time, I don't want to see him sent to Abbotsford either. Should be interesting to see what happens. Isn't there any way the Flames could find him a place to place in Europe? And if that were the case, would we still be stuck with half his contract?
\sounds like he will be reporting to Abbotsford after the all-star weekend... perhaps gives him time to try and find a euro gig

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01-28-2011, 01:13 PM
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\sounds like he will be reporting to Abbotsford after the all-star weekend... perhaps gives him time to try and find a euro gig

Will he have to go through waivers if he were called up?

Also, are we currently on the hook for any of Kronwall's contract?

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Will he have to go through waivers if he were called up?

Also, are we currently on the hook for any of Kronwall's contract?
If he is indeed assigned to Abbotsford then yes he will have to go through re-entry waivers, unless he was called up during the playoffs.

And no, I dont believe we are.

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01-28-2011, 02:07 PM
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Kotalik assigned to HEAT... http://www.abbotsfordheat.com/ViewAr...CLID=205085361 http://fb.me/yLEL1r8f

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So re-entry for Kotalik?
Not a chance. He'll either report to Abbotsford, or go to Europe so the Flames can avoid having his cap hit on the books this season or next. Even an off-season buyout might be more preferable at this point, as the cap hit would be lower (although longer)

I find it less than amusing that Brandon Prust has more points since the trade than Kotalik & Higgins combined (even if it is around the same number of total games played). Plus he actually shows up every night. Thanks Darryl!


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The blind Sutter hate amuses me. Sutter already placed Kotalik on waivers. Feaster does it and all of a sudden he is a god.
There's a difference. Feaster didn't trade for Kotalik, Sutter did.

To acquire a $3 million chronically underachieving player then subsequently place him on waivers only a few months later reeks of idiocy.

I for one am glad that a-hole is gone (both Sutter and Kotalik.)


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I find it less than amusing that Brandon Prust has more points since the trade than Kotalik & Higgins combined. Plus he actually shows up every night. Thanks Darryl!

I would love to have Prust playin' with Jackman right now on our 4th line.

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I find it less than amusing that Brandon Prust has more points since the trade than Kotalik & Higgins combined (even if it is around the same number of total games played). Plus he actually shows up every night. Thanks Darryl!
Getting rid of Prust was not something I was too pleased about. More so now when I see him producing.

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I would love to have Prust playin' with Jackman right now on our 4th line.
Damn, that'd be something!

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Prust's production is irrelevant because he wouldn't produce like that here

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Prust's production is irrelevant because he wouldn't produce like that here
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Prust's production is irrelevant because he wouldn't produce like that here
So? His pricetag is only 800k. If nothing else, could have kept him in for his style of play, not his production level, since the other players we got for him gave us the same or worse production.

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So? His pricetag is only 800k. If nothing else, could have kept him in for his style of play, not his production level, since the other players we got for him gave us the same or worse production.
who cares who we got for him?... again you are bringing up his production WHICH HE WAS NOT ABLE TO DO HERE... in 78 games as a Flame he put up 2 goals and 7 points... he was a 4th line energy player with a glass jaw during his time here... with his play as a Flame I wouldn't have given him the 800k the Rangers did

the Rangers use Prust differently than we did and it suits his game better.. but on the Flames now he would still be in the exact same role he was before because he is simply not as good as our 3rd liners

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who cares who we got for him?... again you are bringing up his production WHICH HE WAS NOT ABLE TO DO HERE... in 78 games as a Flame he put up 2 goals and 7 points... he was a 4th line energy player with a glass jaw during his time here... with his play as a Flame I wouldn't have given him the 800k the Rangers did

the Rangers use Prust differently than we did and it suits his game better.. but on the Flames now he would still be in the exact same role he was before because he is simply not as good as our 3rd liners

Agreed. Production on another team is irrelevant.

In my mind, Jackman plays the role Prust was playing in Calgary. Jackman has doen very well in this role. I know some people like to think Nystrom was replaced by Jackman but I personally don't view it that way. Nystrom played the PK for us. Prust didn't PK for us and Jackman doesn't PK for us. They both are willing participants when it comes to dropping the mitts. If you want to compare Prusts production with anyone I think you'd have to compare Prusts production with Calgary vs Jackmans production with Calgary. Its pretty clear who has done better in the same role on the same team. Jackman has gotten more ice time then Prust did, but that is because he has earned it. And he's still averaging far under 10 minutes a game on the season.

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