However, moving past that, you can't compare save percentages of Oilers goalies to save percentages around the league. Last year we had a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE team. This year, we have a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE defence, both the individuals playing the position and our team defence. Last in the league penalty kills are goalie sinkers.
I instantly disregard the opinion of anyone who brings up save percentage with respect to Khabi because to do so demonstrates you don't understand just how hard it is for a goalie to look good around here relative to a decent team.
We've had a horrible horrible defense for a few years now. It's the main reason our pk, and pp are not good. It even affects our goaltending. That being said, it was obvious then as it is now that the Khabibulin signing was a huge mistake. He isn't worth the money, which is the only reason he came here. He really doesn't want to be in Edmonton and craps the bed far too often to show that he cares. Which he doesn't. He is one of the first guys that should be shipped out of Edmonton so that we can carry on with the so called rebuild.
This team has huge huge problems and these problems aren't just on the ice. It's the management. Insiders tell me Lowe is still running this team and that Tambellini was just installed to protect Lowe from criticism. God help us.
That's impossible to say without knowing the Oilers' dressing room situation. He may be of great help to Dubnyk in terms of development.
If the goalie coach isn't providing a useful template for Dubnyks development then he should be replaced.
Aside from that I am not sold on the idea that the Strudwick model is the best criteria for signing players to multi year / multi million dollar contracts.
Roloson would have been better on the ice, off the ice, and easier on the pocket book on a shorter term.
Hate to beat a dead horse, but it deserves beating.
I agree...there were a number of posters on this board that endorsed the re-signing of Roloson to a cheaper shorter term contract.
Instead Tambo thought it was prudent to sign an injury prone, inconsistent, high mileage goalie to a 12+ million dollar 4 year contract early in the FA window.
He along with Strudwick have been the keys to the tanks.
It really is sad to read some of the excuses that people here put out there to defend some players.
-Maybe he is good in the room...who cares?
-Maybe he is good mentor to Dubnyk...thats what goalie coaches are for.
-He cleared the way for JDD to become a starter...huh?
-Provided a lot of stability...when?
-we have a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE defence...he has been getting badly outplayed by a rookie backup all season, who is above .500 playing behind the same team.
My hope is that he plays 25 games next year and gets Nylander'd to Russia.
Tough to disagree with any of this.
Regarding the posters that feel Khabby's contract isn't a cap issue...good GM's don't throw money into a black hole just because they have cap room.
It was obviously a bad signing by Tambo in an offseason littered with bad moments (Heatley etc.) and it reeked of a desperate GM who was trying to save face by signing a "big name" veteran.
I truly believe that he was the "puppet" GM in that offseason and that he didn't really start to make his mark on the team until the last trade deadline when he shipped out Staios, Grebs and Visnovsky and brought in Whitney so i'm willing to give him a mulligan for that offseason. The decisions that he makes the rest of this season, at the draft and in the offseason will go a long way towards determining if he is the right guy for the job.
That would be setting him up for failure. He's not even doing anything in the Q right now. If we need a goalie just sign Gerber to be the backup and send Khabis cap hit to russia.
Gerber would be a fine mentor and a solid backup at a very cheap price.
Eh? At point in time ever did he provide stability? 15 minutes maybe.
Before he got hurt last year he was our all-star...He's played very average this year but do you want him to try hard so we pick 6 or 7 rather then 3-4. Get real, we have lots of developing/experiments to do with our youngsters (including DD) so lets not get caught up with overpaid players cause Horcoff gets a lot just to wear the "C".
Bulin was brought in at a time to backstop a competing team. We needed a Goalie with some pedigree ex. multiple all-star appearence, Stanley Cup winner, Olympic gold metal. No free agents wanted to come here and our wonderful fans were screeming for a big name. We overpaid to get him here but every other flippin team overpays those silly free agents when they are over the hill.
What did we give Bulin besides a pile of cash, lets see now.... STRUDWICK !!! I would drink like a fish too if he was my Defencemen.
I think Tambi should have gone with Rollie, but not much we can do now. My point is however that I think Khabby could still help a playoff bound team, especially one with shaky goaltending (hello Philly, are you listening?). When he's healthy, he's still a good goalie. Last year he was our MVP until getting hurt, and other than a recent stretch of bad games (amidst injuries rumours), he's been solid. The team in front of him kinda sucks though, remember that!. I'd love to see him moved at the deadline, we'd have to take back a short-term cap hit in return, but I'm ok with that.
Before he got hurt last year he was our all-star...
How do you figure? He was pretty average in his handful of outings last season. If he had stayed healthy and kept his performance at the same level he would have ended up near the bottom of the barrel for starting goalies numbers-wise.
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He's played very average this year but do you want him to try hard so we pick 6 or 7 rather then 3-4.
Are you suggesting he's not trying on purpose?
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Get real, we have lots of developing/experiments to do with our youngsters (including DD) so lets not get caught up with overpaid players cause Horcoff gets a lot just to wear the "C".
Horcoff actually seems to be playing the "veteran mentor" role to a tee and that includes a pretty solid on-ice performance. Khabibulin, not so much.
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Bulin was brought in at a time to backstop a competing team. We needed a Goalie with some pedigree ex. multiple all-star appearence, Stanley Cup winner, Olympic gold metal. No free agents wanted to come here and our wonderful fans were screeming for a big name. We overpaid to get him here but every other flippin team overpays those silly free agents when they are over the hill.
True. It was a P.R. signing.
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What did we give Bulin besides a pile of cash, lets see now.... STRUDWICK !!! I would drink like a fish too if he was my Defencemen
We gave him a guaranteed, ironclad four year contract that he was going to have a hard time living up to at the best of times.
Really? What type of mentoring do you think Gerber would do? He couldn't make it in the NHL so what exactly is he teaching the younger goalies?
Oh I don't know...maybe demonstrate the meaning of a being a consummate professional on and off the ice.
Besides when did playing 228 NHL games with a .911 sv% qualify as "not making it"?
Oh I don't know...maybe demonstrate the meaning of a being a consummate professional on and off the ice. Besides when did playing 228 NHL games with a .911 sv% qualify as "not making it"?
When you are no longer wanted by 30 teams in the NHL to even be a backup and thus accept a minor league contract...you might as well bring back Conklin if you want a mentor - at least he still plays in the NHL.
You want Gerber to be the goalie coach in OKL, that's great. He would be a great mentor to the younger guys, including Roy. But don't kid yourself into thinking his playing for the Oilers would have a noticeable effect on any player on the team, including Dubnyk. Last time I checked, Dubnyk is demonstrating the characteristics of a "consummate professional both on and off the ice". No point in bringing a third string goalie in to hold his hand at this point.
When you are no longer wanted by 30 teams in the NHL to even be a backup and thus accept a minor league contract...you might as well bring back Conklin if you want a mentor - at least he still plays in the NHL.
You want Gerber to be the goalie coach in OKL, that's great. He would be a great mentor to the younger guys, including Roy. But don't kid yourself into thinking his playing for the Oilers would have a noticeable effect on any player on the team, including Dubnyk. Last time I checked, Dubnyk is demonstrating the characteristics of a "consummate professional both on and off the ice". No point in bringing a third string goalie in to hold his hand at this point.
Right...because Khabby is doing such a bang up job at the moment of showing he is a an NHL goalie with his sizzling .891 sv% and his off ice mentoring.
It must be because Khabby is out performing his contract that he would be so easy to move to another NHL team.
I mean clearly $3+ million backups that under perfom are all the rage at the moment.
Contracts matter and yes a top notch AHL goalie with a cheap contract would do a better job of backing up Dubnyk than Kahbby is doing right now.
That would be setting him up for failure. He's not even doing anything in the Q right now. If we need a goalie just sign Gerber to be the backup and send Khabis cap hit to russia.
35+ signing. We are stuck with the cap hit even if he drops dead. Only way to lose it is via trade.
Right...because Khabby is doing such a bang up job at the moment of showing he is a an NHL goalie with his sizzling .891 sv% and his off ice mentoring.
It must be because Khabby is out performing his contract that he would be so easy to move to another NHL team.
I mean clearly $3+ million backups that under perfom are all the rage at the moment.
Contracts matter and yes a top notch AHL goalie with a cheap contract would do a better job of backing up Dubnyk than Kahbby is doing right now.
Thats the point.
There was no reference in my post stating Khabi was my choice for backup - you posted that Gerber was a much better option. Don't twist my post to fufill your dislike of Khabi.
I clearly stated that Gerber is a great AHL coach/mentor which you now have agree with. Good for you. He is not a reasonable option for backup in the role you originally stated, that being a mentor for building character for Dubnyk.
I have no support for Khabi being on this team past the end of this year, and if the Oilers can ditch his contract, great.
There was no reference in my post stating Khabi was my choice for backup - you posted that Gerber was a much better option. Don't twist my post to fufill your dislike of Khabi.
Of course this was about Khabby and Gerber....what other goaltenders in the Oilers system qualify? Nothing twisted here with the possible exception of your perception.
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I clearly stated that Gerber is a great AHL coach/mentor which you now have agree with. Good for you. He is not a reasonable option for backup in the role you originally stated, that being a mentor for building character for Dubnyk.
Yup...and I clearly stated that Gerber was a better option than Khabby at the NHL level.
I am not sure how that remotely resembles an agreement on your statement about Gerber being relegated to an AHL coach/mentor.
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I have no support for Khabi being on this team past the end of this year, and if the Oilers can ditch his contract, great.
Of course this was about Khabby and Gerber....what other goaltenders in the Oilers system qualify? Nothing twisted here with the possible exception of your perception.
Yup...and I clearly stated that Gerber was a better option than Khabby at the NHL level.
I am not sure how that remotely resembles an agreement on your statement about Gerber being relegated to an AHL coach/mentor.
Well...at least part of your post was relevant.
Yep. You want the Oilers to continue faltering for the next year...thank goodness management doesn't listen to the ridiculous posts from HF - your proposal is almost as laughable as Struds being kept because of his leadership qualities in the dressing room. Great warm/fuzzy story, but completely pointless in moving forward.
Yep. You want the Oilers to continue faltering for the next year...thank goodness management doesn't listen to the ridiculous posts from HF - your proposal is almost as laughable as Struds being kept because of his leadership qualities in the dressing room. Great warm/fuzzy story, but completely pointless in moving forward.
We agree...it does appear to be pointless.
You have consistently missed the mark with your responses so I don't have a lot of confidence that you even know what my position is.
Clearly thats the case because if you did manage to interpret my position correctly you wouldn't have bothered with the Strudwick analogy.
Maybe we could discuss the actual content of a post...this strawman tactic of yours is weak at best.
Another shutout for Roli the goalie...just sayin. Hes been pretty good since leaving town.
Yeah ... and Khabby won a Stanley Cup for that franchise ... just saying.
Khabby's been about what I expected. You have to factor in that he's playing behind bar none the worst defence in the NHL since Whitney went out and a very young group of forwards.
Yeah ... and Khabby won a Stanley Cup for that franchise ... just saying.
Khabby's been about what I expected. You have to factor in that he's playing behind bar none the worst defence in the NHL since Whitney went out and a very young group of forwards.
If this is what we expected out of Khabibulin it was atrocious to give him a 4 year fairly large dollar deal. Khabibulin has been more bad than good this year regardless of defence.
Rolosons last year here this team was as bad but Roloson was outstanding on a nightly basis.
Roloson has been >>> than Khabbi the last two years.
If this is what we expected out of Khabibulin it was atrocious to give him a 4 year fairly large dollar deal. Khabibulin has been more bad than good this year regardless of defence.
Rolosons last year here this team was as bad but Roloson was outstanding on a nightly basis.
Roloson has been >>> than Khabbi the last two years.
I'll take Taylor Hall though, the Islanders can keep Nedrettier.
We're always the team that ends up drafting Nedrettier instead of a guy like Hall, some days I can't even believe we got Hall still.
Roli's a good goalie, he's always been one so him playing well on a good team shouldn't be a shock to anyone who knows his game. I like Roli but I'm not sad at all that he's not here anymore. Khabby being 3 or 4 years younger may actually pay off for us in a year or two when we're actually playing games that mean something.
Whereas with Roli at age 41 ... what would we be doing with him here other than wasting his time? Good for him in getting a shot at Tampa, but he'd be 42/43 realistically before we'd be ready to go anywhere.
We agree...it does appear to be pointless.
You have consistently missed the mark with your responses so I don't have a lot of confidence that you even know what my position is.
Clearly thats the case because if you did manage to interpret my position correctly you wouldn't have bothered with the Strudwick analogy.
Maybe we could discuss the actual content of a post...this strawman tactic of yours is weak at best.
Great attempt at diverting your original statement of Gerbs being a better option to teach Dubynk how to be a professional on/off the ice. Do you remember that post?
We don't need a mentor that has demonstrated that he is not NHL calibre. Any twisted argument by you only continues to show how clueless your opinion is on the matter.
At the time of the signing I was pushing for Clemmensen on a 2 year deal, followed by Anderson on a 2 yr deal. Khabibulin was well down that list. Here we are a year and a half later and I'd still rather have Clemmensen even though he's been a backup for the last 2 years.
I don't think anyone is expecting Khabibulin to go full Dwayne Roloson on us and be better when he hits 40. He could, but I think the odds of it happening are low. I think for now they forge ahead with Dubnyk for the rest of the year and see if we need another goalie or stick with Dubnyk because Khabibulin is going nowhere for the next 2 and a half years. Wow do the Oilers ever suck in their taste of UFAs.
