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01-27-2011, 10:34 PM
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Toronto and Atlanta could be likely partners in the near future.
i can see that

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01-27-2011, 10:35 PM
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I'm not trying to be snarky here but just what assets is he talking about for the Leafs to get all that was listed?

I would assume he would not deal Kessel, that leaves Schenn, perhaps Kadri (though I'm not near as high on him as some are) and picks. Who else do the leafs have that is very attractive for other teams that will not create an immediate hole in the roster?

(I'm puzzled by the goalie comment, he has signed just about every goalie out there the last couple of years.)
Think the same....

Outside Kadri + 2012 first... what assets they have to move?? Kaberle perhaps?... but he has a NTC and "Burke never asks players to waive them"... so doubt Kaberle is moved, except perhaps at draft... Beauchimen won't fetch more than a 2nd rounder... other than that, I don't see pieces that should be moved...

Schenn??... I doubt he gets moved... same goes with Kessel/Kulemin/Grabovski/Neon Dion

MacArthur perhaps??.. but I would want to keep him if I was a leafs fan.

Bozak may get you a 3rd rounder...

Gunnarsson may land you a 3rd or even 2nd rounder...

Giggy/Monster have no value perhaps a 4th rounder..

I doubt you want to trade Kadri, doing so means you have given up on the player....

So you trade the 2012 first + Kadri and can get a top LW or your first line C... Unfortunately without a moving of Schenn/Kessel I doubt you can capture both 1st line LW and a 1st line C...

Leafs just don't have the assets to get all 3 pieces Burke wants.

Sounds like he is just selling more hope is all...


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01-27-2011, 10:37 PM
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no it isnt

when the d man has more points than the forward playing on a team who got shutout 8 times is NOT fair
Yes it is. Wheeler is a good player. Kaberle is a rental, and we can't turn our noses up at a young guy who is great defensively, and could slot in next to Kessel.

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01-27-2011, 10:38 PM
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Think the same....

Outside Kadri + 2012 first... what assets they have to move??

Schenn??... I doubt he gets moved, Beauchimen is moved before him.

I doubt you want to trade Kadri, doing so you either admit A) He was a bad choice at that spot or B) You have given up on the player....

So you trade the 2012 first + Kadri and can get a top LW or your first line C... Unfortauntly without a moving of Schenn/Kessel I doubt you can capture both 1st line LW and a 1st line C...

Leafs just don't have the assets to get all 3...

Sounds like he is just selling more hope is all...
who said were going to move kadri and 1st 2012?

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01-27-2011, 10:38 PM
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Since both those teams are better then the Leafs and they both appear to have brighter futures I think I'd rather be them.
I was refering more to the fact that dispite drafting high consistantly it hasn't helped them AT ALL

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Think the same....

Outside Kadri + 2012 first... what assets they have to move??

Schenn??... I doubt he gets moved, Beauchimen is moved before him.

I doubt you want to trade Kadri, doing so you either admit A) He was a bad choice at that spot or B) You have given up on the player....

So you trade the 2012 first + Kadri and can get a top LW or your first line C... Unfortauntly without a moving of Schenn/Kessel I doubt you can capture both 1st line LW and a 1st line C...

Leafs just don't have the assets to get all 3...

Sounds like he is just selling more hope is all...
I would have to agree... We dont have the assets unless he ships out schenn.

Anyways my money is on booth, Rebiero and Vokoun if this has any substance to it...

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01-27-2011, 10:40 PM
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Beauchimin moved for Sami Vatanen and 3rd.
Absolutely not.

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Yes it is. Wheeler is a good player. Kaberle is a rental, and we can't turn our noses up at a young guy who is great defensively, and could slot in next to Kessel.
Wheeler is something we have an abundance of: a 2nd/3rd line tweener with upside.

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01-27-2011, 10:40 PM
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Kris Versteeg (LW)
Tyler Bozak (C)
Jonas Gustavsson (G)


Josh Bailey (C)
Blake Comeau (LW)

I could see that working out, Bailey is a center with more potential then Bozak, Versteeg is an upgrade on Comeau for the isles and a goalie is a need for the isles IMO, although I'm not sure if we should give up on Gustavsson yet.

Bozak is slated to be our third line center with Kadri centering the first (hopefully), Versteeg probably won't move until we can get a solid offensive D-man to replace him on the PP. Both of the guys shouldn't be moved until guys like Blacker and Boyce/Hanson are a little closer to being able to slide into Bozak and Versteeg's positions

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01-27-2011, 10:41 PM
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Francois Beauchemin
Jesse Blacker
Luca Caputi

for

Ales Hemsky


Edmonton gets much needed minutes logged on the blue line, and gets two good prospect to go along with their young core. Hemsky is let go due to injuries and Penner's re-amergence .

Hemsky - Bozak - Kessel
Kulemin - Grabovski - MacArthur
Versteeg - Brent - Armstrong
Orr - Boyce - Brown

Phaneuf - Schenn
Kaberle - Komisarek
Gunnarsson - Aulie

Giggy
Reimer

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Think the same....

Outside Kadri + 2012 first... what assets they have to move?? Kaberle perhaps?... but he has a NTC and "Burke never asks players to waive them"... so doubt Kaberle is moved, except perhaps at draft... Beauchimen won't fetch more than a 2nd rounder... other than that, I don't see pieces that should be moved...

Schenn??... I doubt he gets moved... same goes with Kessel/Kulemin/Grabovski/Neon Dion

MacArthur perhaps??.. but I would want to keep him if I was a leafs fan.

Bozak may get you a 3rd rounder...

Gunnarsson may land you a 3rd or even 2nd rounder...

Giggy/Monster have no value perhaps a 4th rounder..

I doubt you want to trade Kadri, doing so means you have given up on the player....

So you trade the 2012 first + Kadri and can get a top LW or your first line C... Unfortunately without a moving of Schenn/Kessel I doubt you can capture both 1st line LW and a 1st line C...

Leafs just don't have the assets to get all 3 pieces Burke wants.

Sounds like he is just selling more hope is all...
I doubt he would get a first line C or a first line LW for that package.

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Burke is not going to do anything. He is a big mouth, all talk.

He brings in 4th line garbage and convinces himself its top 3 talent.
funny thing is, burke didnt say anything this time.

Dreger did.

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Hemsky is worth a 1st if not more. Edmonton won't let him go for that, and from the Leafs side, I wouldn't want to give up Blacker who is having a great year in the OHL. Caputi is turning into a career AHL guy though

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who said were going to move kadri and 1st 2012?
How do you expect to get a top line C, a top line LW and a true starting goalie??

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I doubt he would get a first line C or a first line LW for that package.
ya you would you'd get oe of the 2 for Kadri + 2012 1st for sure

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I doubt he would get a first line C or a first line LW for that package.
Probaly would, it's a high pick + a good prospect.

And before you go "hurrdurr it's Toronto they have no such thing as good prospects" this is Kadri's first year out of the OHL and in the NHL he showed flashes of brilliance with the playmaking, his only issue has been adapting to the pace and physicality of the NHL game. I don't want to trade Kadri and people give the guy a lot of crap for a 20-21 year old who has performed well at the AHL level, the OHL level and can probably slide into a top six role in the NHL as a playmaking center

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I doubt he would get a first line C or a first line LW for that package.
It is. Just look what you gave up to get horton

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How do you expect to get a top line C, a top line LW and a true starting goalie??
we can get a goalie in FA, burke can create a package other than kadri and a 1st

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How do you expect to get a top line C, a top line LW and a true starting goalie??
the starting goalie can come via UFA in the form of a vokoun anderson or brizgalov atleast 2 of those if not all 3 should make it to july 1 Brizgalov is the least likely to make it IMO but I still think there is a good chance he does.

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01-27-2011, 10:50 PM
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we can get a goalie in FA, burke can create a package other than kadri and a 1st
Burke is all about loyalty. I doubt he trades a guy as young as Kadri when he just drafted him in 2009. He likes to develop his players his own way, I just don't see Kadri leaving unless there is a personal issue or at-least until he has a season or two under his belt, even then it would be pretty odd to give up on a guy like Kadri, UNLESS of-course it brings us a bonafide no.1

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Hemsky is worth a 1st if not more. Edmonton won't let him go for that, and from the Leafs side, I wouldn't want to give up Blacker who is having a great year in the OHL. Caputi is turning into a career AHL guy though
If he could stay healthy I'd say he's worth a first. As of right now I'd say he's worth a late first pick. Pretty much a Leafs 2nd.

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What would Leafs fans realistically want for Versteeg? (Pens fan)

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ya you would you'd get oe of the 2 for Kadri + 2012 1st for sure
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Probaly would, it's a high pick + a good prospect.

And before you go "hurrdurr it's Toronto they have no such thing as good prospects" this is Kadri's first year out of the OHL and in the NHL he showed flashes of brilliance with the playmaking, his only issue has been adapting to the pace and physicality of the NHL game. I don't want to trade Kadri and people give the guy a lot of crap for a 20-21 year old who has performed well at the AHL level, the OHL level and can probably slide into a top six role in the NHL as a playmaking center
Tell me one team that would be willing to trade a first line C or LW, for a prospect + future pick.

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It is. Just look what you gave up to get horton
Horton isn't a first line winger, he is a very good second liner.

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Burke needs to go home to his family. He's not thinking clearly. He's even worse mentally/emotionally than when he made Kessel deal.


He's not all there. He needs time with family. He has to leave this city alone!

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What would Leafs fans realistically want for Versteeg? (Pens fan)
A player similar to Versteeg in terms of talent and skill, but that player being a center rather then a winger (preferably a play-making center)

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