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Chris Drury for Jeff Finger and Brett Lebda(June 2011)
The Leaf guys want Drury so much. You can have him. Drury to the Leafs for Jeff Finger. Expiring contract for expiring contract. $5M in salary for $3.5M in salary. MLSE can afford the extra $1.5M. Not qualifying John Mitchell and not re-signing Fredrik Sjostrom gives them that $1.5M. Drury is an upgrade over the garbage TO has at forward. Instead of paying Finger $3.5M to play for the Marlies,an extra $1.5M gets them a top 9 forward. The cap is going up by $3M. The free agent forward market is thin. Brad Richards will be a Leaf only if he wants to chase every last dollar which doesn't seem to be the case. Brian Burke and Ron Wilson can work some of the Team USA magic and sell Drury on playing for the Leafs.
No Drury for Mike Komisarek proposals. No proposals with the Rangers including a top prospect,young roster player or #1 pick.
Drury for Finger.
Nobody other than a couple crazed fans wants Drury. They certainly don't speak for everyone.
Finger is not a problem for the Leafs cap - Drury would be a 7 million dollar problem - and no matter what any poster says on these boards Drury will never be coming to the Leafs.
From an outsider's view, there really isn't much of a difference between Kreider and Kadri. On HF's prospect rankings, they have Kadri as the 17th best prospect and Kreider as 23rd. However, Kreider has a slightly higher potential rating. In reality, the two are interchangeable and both should be fine players. It's silly to argue who will be the better player at this point with both players being at similar development points.
That doesn't change the fact that this proposal is ridiculous. I find it very convenient that the OP forgot to mention that Drury's cap hit is 7.5m despite his salary being 5m. It's like he knows the trade is terrible but is trying to trick the thousands of people that view this thread.
From an outsider's view, there really isn't much of a difference between Kreider and Kadri. On HF's prospect rankings, they have Kadri as the 17th best prospect and Kreider as 23rd. However, Kreider has a slightly higher potential rating. In reality, the two are interchangeable and both should be fine players. It's silly to argue who will be the better player at this point with both players being at similar development points.
That doesn't change the fact that this proposal is ridiculous. I find it very convenient that the OP forgot to mention that Drury's cap hit is 7.5m despite his salary being 5m. It's like he knows the trade is terrible but is trying to trick the thousands of people that view this thread.
Leafs aren't Columbus and actual dollars means less to us. Drury's actual salary is irrelevant.
The Leaf guys want Drury so much. You can have him. Drury to the Leafs for Jeff Finger. Expiring contract for expiring contract. $5M in salary for $3.5M in salary. MLSE can afford the extra $1.5M. Not qualifying John Mitchell and not re-signing Fredrik Sjostrom gives them that $1.5M. Drury is an upgrade over the garbage TO has at forward. Instead of paying Finger $3.5M to play for the Marlies,an extra $1.5M gets them a top 9 forward. The cap is going up by $3M. The free agent forward market is thin. Brad Richards will be a Leaf only if he wants to chase every last dollar which doesn't seem to be the case. Brian Burke and Ron Wilson can work some of the Team USA magic and sell Drury on playing for the Leafs.
No Drury for Mike Komisarek proposals. No proposals with the Rangers including a top prospect,young roster player or #1 pick.
Drury for Finger.
Here's the problem:
Actual salary is basically irrelevant to both teams, so while Drury only makes $5m next year, his cap hit is $7m.
Either Toronto is going to bury him (in which case it makes no sense to pay out the additional $1.5m) or play him, in which case they need to clear $7m to have him on the roster. The only way to do that, is if the Rangers take Mike Komisarek.
That is opposite of what was being suggested... Shouldn't it be Redden and Kreider for Finger? As Redden is the bigger albatross salary and the leafs are doing the Rangers a solid by taking it? (BTW I'm not suggesting this is a fair trade... so relax)
IF the Rangers couldn't afford to pay Redden/ Drury any more for their dismal play.. then they would have to pay another team to take them. If not, then keep him. We are keeping Finger and have no problem letting him play out his contract in the AHL. Unfortunately for you.. the AHL has a cap, and with Redden already there, you are stuck with Drury until end of next season
What the cap on veteran players? Because there is no salary cap in the AHL.
Please shut up, Kreider is a more desired prospect, while Kadri's numbers are good, Kreider brings a lot more to the table. And YES, I am a leafs fan.
I don't understand this argument. It doesn't give you any merit whatsoever if you hate your own teams players. Leafs fans are well-known self loathers and notoriously hard on youth.
Offense is the most important aspect of hockey. Kadri is producing it at a higher level than Kreider is.
look how many guys have had great stats in junior, ahl, college, etc. and never made it in the nhl. if kreider doesnt turn out to be a good pro and putting up points then you can come back and say you told me so. but for right now just keep quiet.
Yes, and two players point totals over a 25 game period in two totally different leagues is relevant to anything.
I guess PA Parenteau is a better player than Ilya Kovalchuk.
Not only is it point totals, but it's the ability to play and excel in a higher league that leads me to believe that Kadri is the better prospect. I think I'm pretty darn justified with my choice.
Not only is it point totals, but it's the ability to play and excel in a higher league that leads me to believe that Kadri is the better prospect. I think I'm pretty darn justified with my choice.
Kadri may eventually be the better player, sure, but you're logic is flawed. Throwing out point totals is ridiculous for many reasons and Kreider also missed a few games due to playing in the WJC in which he was a ppg player.
To play Devil's advocate, Kreider is regarded for being the better defensive player while Kadri is noted by many to not give it his all on a daily basis.
I personally think Kreider has the better future but I don't think the two are that far off and trying to make that hard of a case for either one at this point serves no purpose since none of us really know. You can throw out statistics and scouting reports but none of us will know until they both make it to the NHL as regulars.
Kadri may eventually be the better player, sure, but you're logic is flawed. Throwing out point totals is ridiculous for many reasons and Kreider also missed a few games due to playing in the WJC in which he was a ppg player.
To play Devil's advocate, Kreider is regarded for being the better defensive player while Kadri is noted by many to not give it his all on a daily basis.
I personally think Kreider has the better future but I don't think the two are that far off and trying to make that hard of a case for either one at this point serves no purpose since none of us really know. You can throw out statistics and scouting reports but none of us will know until they both make it to the NHL as regulars.
I agree with you on this as neutral party. Both are top prospects but neither has proven anything in the NHL. If Kadri can't score on a NHL level he wont be an NHL player most likely. Krieder on the other hand even if he can't be an NHL scorer can contribute in other ways like a Marty Reasoner type player.
Kadri is putting up better numbers in a better league than Kreider. Your turn.
Irrelevant comparison. Based on opinion, not fact. If you want to use that particular example, if Kadri's in a better league, he's also probably surrounded by better talent.
When pitted against equal talent, Kreider put up better numbers than Kreider and walked away with a gold medal to show for it.
You're being stupid calling a 20 year old a bust...
Are you an idiot, read his post again, he is clearly saying people say Leaf players are worse then they actually are and gave a bunch of examples of people underrating Leafs.
Irrelevant comparison. Based on opinion, not fact. If you want to use that particular example, if Kadri's in a better league, he's also probably surrounded by better talent.
When pitted against equal talent, Kreider put up better numbers than Kreider and walked away with a gold medal to show for it.
Pucks on your stick, toethumbs.
I am not getting into the Kadri/Kreider debate but don't be an idiot, AHL is FAR superior to the NCAA, cut out the "if" bull****.
Irrelevant comparison. Based on opinion, not fact. If you want to use that particular example, if Kadri's in a better league, he's also probably surrounded by better talent.
When pitted against equal talent, Kreider put up better numbers than Kreider and walked away with a gold medal to show for it.
I don't understand this argument. It doesn't give you any merit whatsoever if you hate your own teams players. Leafs fans are well-known self loathers and notoriously hard on youth.
Who said I hate Kadri? I'm saying that Kreider is the better prospect.
Leafs I hate? John Mitchell and Mike Komisarek... pretty standard
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Originally Posted by Shaun_W_W
Are you an idiot, read his post again, he is clearly saying people say Leaf players are worse then they actually are and gave a bunch of examples of people underrating Leafs.
1st of all, I'm agreeing with what he is saying, I should have put it in different contexts so people should understand it...
2nd of all, good thing I know you personally cuz I have reasons to call you an idiot but won't.
