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Which Free Agent Signs for the most money this offseason.

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01-31-2011, 08:32 AM
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Which Free Agent Signs for the most money this offseason.

Out of these upcoming free agents

Brad Richards - UFA
Steven Stamkos - RFA
Zach Parise - RFA

List them with How much TOTAL money their contract will be worth plus what the annual cap hit will be.

Heres my take..
Stamkos most similar signing at his age IMHO are guys like Crosby Malkin Ovechkin..he's in that class of people
Crosby Malknin sign 5 year 43.5 Million contracts (8.7 a year) Ovechkin signed a 13 Year 124 Million extension (9.53 a year)
I think he signed somewhere around those ...especially if he wins Art Ross and Rocket trophy this year
Zach Parise I would put him in the next tier down on that list...I'll group him with guys like Kopitar 7 year 46.7 (6.67 a year)
I know similar players like Getzlaf and Perry signed for 5 year 26.6 Million (5.32 a year) but they signed those deal when they were younger (good move by locking them up young and IMHO getting them a bit cheaper than what you will see Parise get...)

Richards is a bit different monster where he is really the only big fish in the free agent pond this year..The most recent UFA deal I would compare him to would be Gaborik who sign a 5 year deal at 7.5 a year. Thoughts?


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01-31-2011, 09:20 AM
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Also if the "Kovalcuk" deal rule wasn't in place do you think any of those three players would get those 12 year plus deals?

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If Tampa is smart, they'll lock Stamkos down long-term. To do that, they'll need to give him at least $7.5m per. Don't think Richards will get quite that much. So I'll go with Stamkos.

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01-31-2011, 10:20 AM
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In order,
Stamkos
Parise
Richards

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01-31-2011, 10:22 AM
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I'll predict that Richards has the largest contract in total value but less of a cap hit than Stamkos, probably even with Parise.

Richards is 30 now, I would bet that he's looking for his last contract, so he'll want 6-8 years and probably give a little in terms of dollars (6.5-7).

Stamkos will either get a 3 year deal or a long term deal, 7.5-8 per million on a 3 year deal or 7-7.5 on a longer (6+ years).

This is Parise's last year of RFA is I am not mistaken so I would guess he signs a Semin like deal to take him to UFA, 6.5 million.

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01-31-2011, 11:36 AM
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I'll predict that Richards has the largest contract in total value but less of a cap hit than Stamkos, probably even with Parise.

Richards is 30 now, I would bet that he's looking for his last contract, so he'll want 6-8 years and probably give a little in terms of dollars (6.5-7).

Stamkos will either get a 3 year deal or a long term deal, 7.5-8 per million on a 3 year deal or 7-7.5 on a longer (6+ years).

This is Parise's last year of RFA is I am not mistaken so I would guess he signs a Semin like deal to take him to UFA, 6.5 million.
Which ever team signs Richards they are going to hate that decission in the coming years. The guy is 30 years old already and most players start the big decline at about 33 years old.

You can't go wrong with Stamkos or Parise but you still have to make sure that you don't over pay them and have no cap space for depth players.

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01-31-2011, 12:18 PM
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My prediction is:

Stamkos gets 8 years @ 60 mil (7.5 per)
Parise 4 years @ 27 mil (6.75 per)
Richards 5 years @ 30 mil (6 per)

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Stamkos - 4 years @ 8 mill (32 total, still has RFA years)
Parise - 7 years @ 6.75 mil (47.25 total)
Richards - 6 years @ 6.5 mil (39 total)

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Personally, I think Richards is going to be looking for a contract length of about 6 years or so. He'll be 31 this year, and I imagine he'll want to eat up a couple years of 35+ while he's still in his prime. I bet he signs a 6 year 42mil deal (7mil cap hit). Toronto, NYR, Columbus, and Minnesota should all be after him for that price.

The Stamkos deal is tricky, he's worth 8.5mil or so but it may not cost that much to lock him up. I'd say he gets 7.5mil over a 4-6 year deal.

Parise I don't think will get as much as either. I see him getting around 6mil for 3 years or so. There's no way NJD allows him to sign a 1 year deal here, they'll go for minimum 2 and if they don't get it they will allow him to file for arbitration which will ENSURE they get him for atleast 2 since they can utilize that option.

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01-31-2011, 12:41 PM
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Parise I don't think will get as much as either. I see him getting around 6mil for 3 years or so. There's no way NJD allows him to sign a 1 year deal here, they'll go for minimum 2 and if they don't get it they will allow him to file for arbitration which will ENSURE they get him for atleast 2 since they can utilize that option.
I thought arbitration just gives them a 1-year deal. And then once he turns 27 next year he's automatically UFA?

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As the only BIG UFA in the pond this summer, Richards is in position to cash in big.

I can see him getting 60 million on a 10 year deal.

8 per for years 1, 2 and 3
7 per for years 4 and 5
4.4 per for years 5 thru 10

No significant circumvention going on.

Richards gets 38 million over the first 5 years. The last few years carry a significant enough salary so that it doesn't serve as an artifical reducer which was the NHL's point of contention with the Kovalchuk deal.

And after his 35th birthday, if he starts declining, both the cap hit of 6 million as well as the actual salary of 4.4 will be more than manageable.

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Maybe I'm nuts, but I think the Richards deal will fall in the $8-$8.5 million per season range; not saying anything about depth, but I'll wager maybe 5-6 years.

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Brad Richards will need a "career" payday, he's right at the age where this is his last chance to sign for huge money.

Stamkos/Doughty need to be locked up, I would give both decade long contracts, Stamkos is making the case that he is the best forward in the world so if they can get him at anything below 9 million per I think it's an absolute steal.

Oh yes and then there's Kaberle, who won't be the highest paid but will be the most talked about.

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Also if the "Kovalcuk" deal rule wasn't in place do you think any of those three players would get those 12 year plus deals?
only Stamkos

unless youre the islanders, then youd sign all three 40 year terms.

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it is unlikely any makes it to the off-season unsigned

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Personally, I think Richards is going to be looking for a contract length of about 6 years or so. He'll be 31 this year, and I imagine he'll want to eat up a couple years of 35+ while he's still in his prime. I bet he signs a 6 year 42mil deal (7mil cap hit). Toronto, NYR, Columbus, and Minnesota should all be after him for that price.

The Stamkos deal is tricky, he's worth 8.5mil or so but it may not cost that much to lock him up. I'd say he gets 7.5mil over a 4-6 year deal.

Parise I don't think will get as much as either. I see him getting around 6mil for 3 years or so. There's no way NJD allows him to sign a 1 year deal here, they'll go for minimum 2 and if they don't get it they will allow him to file for arbitration which will ENSURE they get him for atleast 2 since they can utilize that option.
Someone will take Lou's decisions out of his hands should Parise get to July 1st un-signed.

Should a player the calibre of Zach Parise ever get to July 1st, there will be multiple teams willing to sign him to an offer sheet.

He's ABSOLUTELY GOING TO get close to 7 MILLION per season.

As for Arbitration, there's no guarantee that he gets a 2 year deal.

They can just as easily award a one year deal.

More often than not, it's a one year award.

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Stamkos is gonna get locked up, would be stupid if the Lightning don't.

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Stamkos- 10years 91 million Parise 5 years 34 million
Richards 4 years 28 million book stamkos at 9.1 million

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If Richards makes it to UFA there is no chance he signs for less than $7m per season without SERIOUS (10 year) term and with how thin the free agent pool is it could easily end up 8-8.5m per for 5-7 years, possibly even 9 with a bidding war.

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Stamkos- 10years 91 million Parise 5 years 34 million
Richards 4 years 28 million book stamkos at 9.1 million
91M is huge overpayment coming off his ELC.

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Stamkos easily will be the highest paid, in my mind somewhere north of 9m per

he is without a doubt one of the brightest lights in the game today, he fits in easily as one of the big three with Crosby and Ovechkin

both those other guys got almost max coming off of their ELC's, in fact only about 500k short of the max......in that way the precedent has been set and if anyone here thinks Stamkos agent Don Meehan isn't cognizant of that fact then those folks are dreaming in very vivid technicolour. Meehan has never been known to sell a client short and the day he does is the day he needs to retire

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91M is huge overpayment coming off his ELC.
hahahahaha yeah... ok.... a 20 year old who already has a rocket, will probably have another, and an Art Ross. So...yeah... no it's not.

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91M is huge overpayment coming off his ELC.
Not really...like I said above OV got 124 over 13 years...works out to 9.53 a year...and from what I remember back at the time I thought the talk was that Crosby/Malkin took below market value to get other peices around them...and that was still 8.7 a year.....easily the three most comparable players at the time the contracts were signed...If Meehan doesn't start out the negotiations with those as the comparables he shouldn't be Stamkos's agent
(9.1 a year is directly in the middle of those 2...so huge overpayment is hardly the case.)

haha I think if he even made it to the summer I bet some teams would throw 10 year 100 Million or more money at him and happily give up all the 1st rounders if he signed
I mean what is the salary cap next year? say 59 Million he could go as high as what 11.8 Million a year?(20% of teams cap)


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Stamkos

The Lightning MUST resign Stamkos. That is not a question.

However those of you throwing out 9+ million/year for him are forgetting two things:
  1. He's an RFA, not a UFA
  2. Tampa already has about 40 million committed to 2011-2012 to only about a dozen guys.

That means they need to sign about 10 more players with about 18 million, of which Stamkos will get a third of that space. In addition Hedman is due a new contract after next season.

There's no question that they can get under the cap, but between Lecavalier, St. Louis, Malone, Stamkos, Ohlund, & Kubina, they are so (salary) top heavy that they are really tying their hands to build a Cup winner.

Plus they will need another goalie this offseason with Roloson's being a UFA (or retiring).

If Stamkos was a UFA then I could see Ovechkin money. Probably he'll get a shorter deal like 4 years/28 million and then get the BIG payday after that deal.

That Lecavalier deal was a dud the second they signed it, and it is really handcuffing them now. At 10 million/year, he's getting at least 3 million more than he should.

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