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ATD 2014 - Draft Thread III

ATD 2014 - Draft Thread I
ATD 2014 - Draft Thread II

The draft will last 25 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards, a coach and 4 extra picks.

Now on a 6 hour clock.

2). The time windows will be tight but reasonable.
  • 12 hour clock for the first two rounds, (sending a shortlist to another GM highly encouraged here)
  • then 10 hour clock for rounds 3-6,
  • then 8 hour clock for rounds 7-14,
  • then 6 hour clock for rounds 15-20,
  • then 4 hour clock for rounds 21-25
One hour time window deduction for each skipped pick (two hour deduction for missing a 12 hour clock - leave a list), with a minimum 4 hour clock guaranteed regardless of deductions.

3). Trades - No trades!
  • Swapping your entire set of draft picks with another GM before either of you has made a single pick is allowed, however.
4). ADD/DROPS - At the conclusion of the draft, there will be a 7 day period for add/drops. All add/drops must be 1-for-1. Dropped players will NOT be eligible to be added by other teams.

5). At the conclusion of the draft, there will be a 10 day period for lineup assassinations. Assassinations will be divided by division.

6). Regular season rankings MUST BE VOTED ON by at least one GM (if the team is co-GM'd) per team. The penalty if not done is a potential lowering in the standings because each GM will rank his own team first. Co-GMs who both vote each get half a vote for the regular season rankings in their own division.

GMs who vote in every round of the playoffs will get preference of their draft positions in the following draft.

7). All Teams make the playoffs. The conferences will be divided into two divisions of 7 each, with the regular season divisional winner getting a 1st round bye in the playoffs. The first round of the playoffs will feature three intra-divisional matchups in each division, after which the remaining teams will compete in divisional semifinals (standard high vs. low seed) and divisional finals rounds. Winners of the divisions will meet in the conference finals, and winners of the conference will meet in the draft finals.

8). NO MENTIONING UNDRAFTED PLAYERS!!!

9). PM the next team after you have made your pick. THIS IS NOT OPTIONAL!

Deductions

Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels = -1 hour
chaosrevolver & Dreakmur: Montreal Shamrocks = -1 hour
SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: -1 hour
375. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings: -1 hour

The 2014 Draft Order:

Round 1:

1. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers: Bobby Orr, D
2. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers: Wayne Gretzky, C
3. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Gordie Howe, RW
4. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers: Doug Harvey, D
5. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur: Montreal Shamrocks: Ray Bourque, D
6. ted1971 - As de Québec: Maurice Richard, RW
7. Hobnobs - Rögle BK: Nicklas Lidstrom, D
8. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks: Mario Lemieux, C
9. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels: Eddie Shore, D
10. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers: Bobby Hull, LW
11. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa: Jean Beliveau, C
12. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners: Patrick Roy, G
13. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos: Stan Mikita, C
14. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts: Denis Potvin, D
15. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils: Red Kelly, D/C
16. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens: Howie Morenz, C
17. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey: Jaromir Jagr, RW
18. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings: Dominik Hasek, G
19. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants: Bobby Clarke, C
20. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires: Mark Messier, C/LW
21. Dwight - West Island Lions: Bryan Trottier, C
22. papershoes - Kenora Thistles: Larry Robinson, D
23. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V.: Steve Yzerman, C
24. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers: Guy Lafleur, RW
25. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC: Slava Fetisov, D
26. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets: Mike Bossy, RW
27. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs: Chris Chelios, D
28. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers: Joe Sakic, C

Round 2:

29. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers: Brad Park, D
30. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs: Phil Esposito, C
31. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets: Ted Lindsay, LW
32. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC: Frank Nighbor, C/LW
33. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers: Jacques Plante, G
34. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V.: Valeri Kharlamov, LW
35. papershoes - Kenora Thistles: Cyclone Taylor, C/D
36. Dwight - West Island Lions: Pierre Pilote, D
37. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires: King Clancy, D
38. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants: Paul Coffey, D
39. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings: Scott Stevens, D
40. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey: Chris Pronger, D
41. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens: Sprague Cleghorn, D
42. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils: Bill Cook, RW
43. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts: Milt Schmidt, C
44. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos: Tim Horton, D
45. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners: Al MacInnis, D
46. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa: Earl Seibert, D
47. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers: Glenn Hall, G
48. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels: Terry Sawchuk, G
49. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks: Bill Gadsby, D
50. Hobnobs - Rögle BK: Frank Boucher, C
51. ted1971 - As de Québec: Alexander Ovechkin, LW
52. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur: Montreal Shamrocks: Frank Mahovlich, LW
53. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers: Newsy Lalonde, C
54. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Ken Dryden, G
55. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers: Jari Kurri, RW
56. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers: Syl Apps, C

Round 3:

57. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers: Zdeno Chara, D
58. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers: Brian Leetch, D
59. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Henri Richard, C
60. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers: Sergei Makarov, RW
61. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks: Andy Bathgate, RW
62. ted1971 - As de Québec: Dit Clapper, D/RW
63. Hobnobs - Rögle BK: Bernie Geoffrion, RW
64. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks: Charlie Conacher, RW
65. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels: Marcel Dionne, C
66. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers: Borje Salming, D
67. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa: Martin Brodeur, G
68. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners: Dickie Moore, LW
69. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos: Bill Quackenbush, D
70. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts: Ted Kennedy, C
71. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils: Peter Forsberg, C
72. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens: Boris Mikhailov, RW
73. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey: Sidney Crosby, C
74. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings: Sergei Fedorov, C
75. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants: Teemu Selanne, RW
76. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires: Mark Howe, D
77. Dwight - West Island Lions: Cy Denneny, LW
78. papershoes - Kenora Thistles: Sid Abel, C/LW
79. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V.: Brett Hull, RW
80. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers: Elmer Lach, C
81. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC: Valeri Vasiliev, D
82. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets: Scott Niedermayer, D
83. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs: Guy Lapointe, D
84. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers: Aurel Joliat, LW

Round 4:

85. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers: Rod Langway, D
86. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs: Vladislav Tretiak, G
87. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets: Serge Savard, D
88. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC: Max Bentley, C
89. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers: J.C. Tremblay, D
90. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V.: "Black" Jack Stewart, D
91. papershoes - Kenora Thistles: Jarome Iginla, RW
92. Dwight - West Island Lions: Eddie Gerard, D/LW
93. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires: Joe Malone, C/LW
94. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants: Doug Bentley, LW/C
95. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings: Norm Ullman, C
96. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey: Anatoli Firsov, LW
97. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens: Frank Brimsek, G
98. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils: Toe Blake, LW
99. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts: Pavel Bure, RW
100. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos: Cam Neely, RW
101. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners: Doug Gilmour, C
102. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa: Alex Delvecchio, C/LW
103. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers: Johnny Bucyk, LW
104. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels: Ivan "Ching" Johnson, D
105. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks: Harvey "Busher" Jackson, LW
106. Hobnobs - Rögle BK: Gilbert Perreault, C
107. ted1971 - As de Québec: Bert Olmstead, LW
108. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks: Hooley Smith, C/RW
109. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers : Lionel Conacher, D
110. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Marcel Pronovost, D
111. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers : Ernie 'Moose' Johnson D
112. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers : Ron Francis C

Round 5:

113. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers : Michel Goulet LW
114. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers : Rob Blake D
115. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles : Emile "Butch" Bouchard D
116. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers : Brendan Shanahan LW
117. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks: Jacques Laperriere, D
118. ted1971 - As de Québec: Joe Primeau, C
119. Hobnobs - Rögle BK : Larry Murphy, D
120. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks : Ebbie Goodfellow, D.
121. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels : Martin St. Louis, RW
122. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers : Hod Stuart D
123. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa: Alexei Kasatonov, D
124. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners: Alexander Maltsev, C/RW
125. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos: Peter Stastny, C
126. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts George Boucher, D
127. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils: Babe Siebert, D/LW
128. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens: Syd Howe, LW/C/D
129. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey: Jan Suchy, D
130. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings: Dave Keon, C
131. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants: Eric Lindros, C
132. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires: Joe Thornton, C
133. Dwight - West Island Lions : Punch Broadbent, RW
134. papershoes - Kenora Thistles : Carl Brewer, D
135. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V. : Fern Flaman, D
136. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers : Tommy Phillips, LW/RW
137. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC : Bryan Hextall, RW
138. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets : Adam Oates, C
139. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs : Paul Kariya, LW
140. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers : Yvan Cournoyer, RW

Round 6:

141. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers : Clint Benedict, G
142. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs : Babe Dye, RW
143. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets : Pavel Datsyuk, C
144. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC : Georges Vezina, G
145. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers : Tom Johnson, D
146. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V. : Mike Modano, C
147. papershoes - Kenora Thistles : Evgeni Malkin, C
148. Dwight - West Island Lions : Rick Middleton, RW
149. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires : Sweeney Schriner, LW
150. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants : Art Coulter, D
151. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings : Ken Reardon, D
152. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey: Bill Durnan, G
153. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens: Frantisek Pospisil, D
154. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils: Bill Cowley, C
155. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts : Sylvio Mantha, D
156. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos : Ed Belfour, G
157. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners : Lester Patrick, D
158. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa : Doug Wilson, D
159. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers : Vladimir Petrov, C
160. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels: Roy Conacher, LW
161. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks : Charlie Gardiner, G
162. Hobnobs - Rögle BK : Bill White, D
163. ted1971 - As de Québec : Turk Broda, G
164. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks: Bernie Parent, G
165. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers: Dale Hawerchuk, C
166. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Nels Stewart, C
167. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers: John Leclair, LW
168. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers: Johnny Bower, G

Round 7:

169. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers: Mark Recchi, RW
170. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers: Tony Esposito, G
171. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Reg Noble, LW/D/C
172. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers : Billy Smith, G
173. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks: Marty Barry, C/LW
174. ted1971 - As de Québec : Denis Savard, C
175. Hobnobs - Rögle BK : Roy Worters, G
176. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks: Henrik Zetterberg, C/LW
177. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels : Allan Stanley, D
178. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers : Jean Ratelle, C
179. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa : Mickey Mackay, C/R
180. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners : Luc Robitaille, LW
181. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos : Woody Dumart, LW
182. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts : Jiri Holecek, G
183. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils : Harry Cameron, D
184. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens: Jimmy Thomson, D
185. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey: Eric Desjardins, D
186. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings: Vladimir Martinec, RW
187. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants : Cecil "Tiny" Thompson, G
188. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires : Clarence Day, D
189. Dwight - West Island Lions : Markus Naslund, LW
190. papershoes - Kenora Thistles : Harvey Pulford, D
191. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V. : Hugh Lehman, G.
192. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers : Alexander Ragulin, D
193. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC: Patrik Elias, C/LW
194. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets : Ilya Kovalchuk, LW/RW
195. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs : Sergei Gonchar, D
196. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers : Harry Howell, D

Round 8:

197. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers : Sergei Zubov, D
198. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs : Vladimir Konstantinov, D
199. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets : Daniel Alfredsson, RW
200. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC, Art Ross, D
201. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers, Marian Hossa RW
202. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V. : Pat Stapleton, D
203. papershoes - Kenora Thistles : Bob Gainey, LW
204. Dwight - West Island Lions: Moose Vasko, D
205. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires: Glenn Anderson, RW
206. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants: Bun Cook, LW
207. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings : Bill Barber, LW
208. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey : Darryl Sittler, C
209. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens : Frank Fredrickson , C
210. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils : Herb Gardiner, D
211. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts: Vaclav Nedomansky, C/RW
212. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos: Lanny McDonald, RW
213. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners: Brad McCrimmon, D
214. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa: Claude Provost, RW
215. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers: Theo Fleury, RW
216. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels : Wayne Cashman, LW
217. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks : Vladimir Lutchenko, D
218. Hobnobs - Rögle BK : Helmut Balderis, RW
219. ted1971 - As de Québec : Jack Walker, F
220. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks : Frank Foyston, F
221. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers : Gary Suter, D
222. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles : Ott Heller, D
223. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers : Rod Brind'Amour, C/LW
224. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers : Zigmund Palffy, RW

Round 9:

225 Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers : Duncan Keith, D
226. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers : Russell Bowie, C
227. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles : Rick Martin, LW
228. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers : Brian Propp, LW
229. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks : Lionel Hitchman, D
230. ted1971 - As de Québec : Leo Boivin, D
231. Hobnobs - Rögle BK : Guy Carbonneau, C
232. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks : Ace Bailey, RW
233. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels : Bernie Morris, C/RW
234. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers : Mike Grant, D
235. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa : Rod Gilbert, RW
236. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners : Didier Pitre, RW/D
237. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos : Igor Larionov, C
238. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts : Clark Gilles, LW
239. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils : Grant Fuhr, G
240. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens : Paul Thompson, LW
241. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey : Jacques Lemaire, C
242. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings : Alexander Yakushev, LW
243. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants : Derian Hatcher, D
244. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires : Red Horner, D
245. Dwight - West Island Lions : Henrik Lundqvist, G
246. papershoes - Kenora Thistles : John Tonelli, LW
247. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V. : Vyacheslav Starshinov, C/LW
248. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers : Duke Keats, C
249. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC : Cecil Dillon, RW
250. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets : Mats Sundin, C
251. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs : Pat Lafontaine, C
252. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers : Henrik Sedin, C

Round 10:

253. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers : Daniel Sedin, LW
254. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs : Alexander Mogilny, RW
255. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets : Bob Pulford, C/LW
256. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC : Keith Tkachuk, LW
257. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers : Baldy Northcott, LW
258. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V. : Steve Larmer, RW
259. papershoes - Kenora Thistles : Bob Baun, D
260. Dwight - West Island Lions: Bernie Federko, C
261. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires: Jere Lehtinen, W
262. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants: Jim Neilson, D
263. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings: Vladimir Krutov, LW
264. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey: Steve Shutt, LW
265. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens: Jack Crawford, D
266. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils: Gordie Drillon, RW
267. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts: Cy Wentworth, D
268. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos: Si Griffis, D
269. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners: Gus Mortson, D
270. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa: Doug Mohns, LW/D
271. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers: Dany Heatley, W
272. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels: Alf Smith, W
273. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks: Walt Tkaczuk, C
274. Hobnobs - Rögle BK: Craig Ramsay, LW
275. ted1971 - As de Québec: Marty Pavelich, LW
276. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks: Dean Prentice, LW
277. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers: Joe Hall, D
278. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Babe Pratt, D
279. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers: Kevin Lowe, D
280. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers: Ted Green, D

Round 11:

281 Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers: Ed Westfall, RW
282. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers: Bill Mosienko, RW
283. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Phil Watson, C/RW
284. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers: Joe Mullen, RW
285. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks: Herbie Lewis, LW
286. ted1971 - As de Québec: Phil Housley, D
287. Hobnobs - Rögle BK: Joe Klukay, W
288. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks: Bob Goldham, D
289. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels: George Armstrong, RW
290. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers: Jim Schoenfeld, D
291. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa: Ralph Backstrom, C
292. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners: Esa Tikkanen, LW/RW
293. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos: Adam Foote, D
294. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts: Mike Peca, C
295. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils: Tony Leswick, LW/RW
296. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens: Dave Taylor, RW
297. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey: Shea Weber, D
298. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings: Peter Bondra, RW
299. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants: Ken Hodge, RW
300. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires: Bobby Bauer, RW
301. Dwight - West Island Lions: Dan Boyle, D
302. papershoes - Kenora Thistles: Mike Gartner, RW
303. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V.: Bullet Joe Simpson, D
304. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers: Tommy Dunderdale, C
305. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC: Leo Reise Jr., D
306. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets: Scottie Bowman, coach
307. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs: Dave Andreychuk, LW
308. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers: Frank McGee, C

Round 12

309. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers: Rick Tocchet: RW
310. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs: Doug Jarvis, C
311. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets: Flash Hollett, D
312. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC: Jeremy Roenick, C
313. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers: Art Duncan, D
314. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V.: Sid Smith, LW
315. papershoes - Kenora Thistles: Toe Blake, Coach
316. Dwight - West Island Lions: Nick Metz, LW
317. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires: Gump Worsley, G
318. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants: Don McKenney, C/LW
319. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings: Dino Ciccarelli, RW
320. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey: Bobby Rousseau, RW
321. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens: Cooney Weiland, C
322. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils: Frank Finnigan, RW
323. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts: Lennart Svedberg, D
324. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos: Pit Lepine, C
325. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners: Odie Cleghorn, RW
326. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa: Barry Beck, D
327. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers: Larry Aurie, RW
328. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels: Terry Harper, D
329. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks: Milan Novy, C
330. Hobnobs - Rögle BK: George Hay, LW
331. ted1971 - As de Québec: Claude Lemieux: RW/LW
332. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks: Lester Patrick, Coach
333. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers: Mike Ramsey, D
334. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Neil Colville, C/D
335. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers: Gary Roberts, LW
336. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers: Kevin Stevens, LW

Round 13:

337. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers: Al Arbour, Coach
338. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers: Jonathan Toews, C
339. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Eddie Oatman, RW/D
340. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers: Dave Poulin, C
341. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks: Jean-Guy Talbot, D
342. ted1971 - As de Québec: Butch Goring, C
343. Hobnobs - Rögle BK: Ulf Samuelsson, D
344. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks: Bob Nevin, RW
345. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels: Frank Patrick, D
346. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers: Don Luce, C
347. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa: Vic Stasiuk, W
348. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners: Brad Richards, C
349. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos: Harry Watson, LW
350. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts: Charlie Simmer, LW
351. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils : Tommy Ivan, coach
352. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens : Don Marcotte, LW
353. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey : Danny Gare, RW
354. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings : Brian Rafalski, D
355. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants : Fred Shero, coach
356. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires : Owen Nolan, RW
357. Dwight - West Island Lions: Phil Goyette, C
358. papershoes - Kenora Thistles: Derek Sanderson, C
359. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V.: Vitaly Davydov, D
360. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers: Jack Adams, C/LW
361. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC: Jiri Holik, LW
362. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets: Dirk Graham
363. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs: Dick Duff, LW
364. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers: Smokey Harris, LW

Round 14

365. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers: Johnny Gottselig, LW
366. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs: Ron Ellis, RW
367. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets: Red Dutton, D
368. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC: Hap Day, Coach
369. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers: Lloyd Cook, D
370. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V.: Ed Litzenberger, RW/C
371. papershoes - Kenora Thistles: George Hainsworth, G
372. Dwight - West Island Lions: Jean Pronovost, RW
373. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires: Joe Nieuwendyk, C
374. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants: Shane Doan, RW/LW
375. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings: Tim Kerr, RW
376. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey: Glen Sather, Coach
377. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens: Teppo Numminen, D
378. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils: Gordon Roberts, LW
379. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts: Rusty Crawford, LW/C
380. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos: Vincent Damphousse, LW/C
381. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners: Jimmy Watson, D
382. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa: Don Marshall, LW
383. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers: Gary Bergman, D
384. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels: Pete Mahovlich, C
385. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks: Cecil Hart, Coach
386. Hobnobs - Rögle BK: Ted Harris, D
387. ted1971 - As de Québec: Dallas Smith, D
388. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur: Montreal Shamrocks - Ken Mosdell, C
389. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers: Dick Irvin Sr., Coach
390. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Bert Corbeau, D
391. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers: Trevor Linden, RW/C
392. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers: Joel Otto, C

Round 15:

393. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers: Pat Egan, D
394. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers: Rob Ramage, D
395. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles : Dave Burrows, D
396. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers : Wendel Clark, LW
397. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks - Reed Larson, D
398. ted1971 - As de Québec - Clarence "Taffy" Abel, D
399. Hobnobs - Rögle BK - Anatoli Tarasov, coach
400. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Brian Sutter, LW
401. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels - Edgar Laprade, C
402. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers - John Madden, C/LW
403. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa - Carol Vadnais, D
404. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners - Tommy Gorman, coach
405. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos - Marian Gaborik, RW
406. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts - Bill Hajt, D
407. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils - Vladimir Shadrin, C
408. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens - Pavol Demitra, C/LW
409. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey - Fleming Mackell, C/LW
410. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings - Randy Carlyle, D
411. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants - Steven Stamkos, C
412. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires : Craig Hartsburg, D
413. Dwight - West Island Lions : Paul Reinhart, D
414. papershoes - Kenora Thistles : Reijo Ruotsalainen, D
415. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V. : Tod Sloan, C/RW
416. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers : Eduard Ivanov, D
417. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC : Eric Nesterenko, RW
418. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets : Ken Morrow, D
419. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs : Dale Hunter, C
420. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers : Blair Russel, C/RW

Round 16

421. Hedberg & VanIslander - New York Rangers : Reggie Leach, RW
422. LeafLander - Toronto Maple Leafs : Mike Babcock, coach
423. 87and71 - Pittsburgh Hornets : Tom Barrasso, G
424. Rob Scuderi - Pittsburgh AC : Bobby Rowe, D
425. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers : Patrick Marleau, C/LW
426. Modo - Eishockeyclub München e.V. : Pat Verbeek, RW
427. papershoes - Kenora Thistles: Craig Ludwig, D
428. Dwight - West Island Lions: Adam Graves, LW
429. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires: Brent Sutter
430. Velociraptor - Belfast Giants: Kirk Muller, LW/C
431. Reds4Life - Detroit Red Wings
432. King Forsberg - Modo Hockey
433. Jafar - Montreal Canadiens
434. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
435. bluesfan94 & Nalyd Psycho - Kansas City Scouts
436. ResilientBeast - Edmonton Eskimos
437. Johnny Engine - Buchans Miners
438. markrander87 - Victoria Salsa
439. BillyShoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
440. Stoneberg - Halifax Citadels
441. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
442. Hobnobs - Rögle BK
443. ted1971 - As de Québec
444. chaosrevolver & Dreakmur - Montreal Shamrocks
445. tony_d - Indianapolis Racers
446. SchultzSquared - Salt Lake Golden Eagles
447. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
448. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers


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How much better is Frank Nighbors offense then Mickey MacKays?


Only difference in age is 1 year:

When they played in the same leagues together:

PCHA 1914-15
Frank Nighbor 17 GP 30 PTS
Mickey MacKay 17 GP 44 PTS

NHL 1926-27
Frank Nighbor 38 GP 12 PTS
Mickey MacKay 34 GP 22 PTS

NHL 1927-28
Frank Nighbor 42 GP 13 PTS
Mickey MacKay 36 GP 21 PTS

MacKay has the advantage the next year as well, I realize Nighbor was one of the best defensive players of All-time, but MacKay was very well known for his defensive play as well shown by multiple sources.


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How much better is Frank Nighbors offense then Mickey MacKays?


Only difference in age is 1 year:

When they played in the same leagues together:

PCHA 1914-15
Frank Nighbor 17 GP 30 PTS
Mickey MacKay 17 GP 44 PTS

NHL 1926-27
Frank Nighbor 38 GP 12 PTS
Mickey MacKay 34 GP 22 PTS

NHL 1927-28
Frank Nighbor 42 GP 13 PTS
Mickey MacKay 36 GP 21 PTS

MacKay has the advantage the next year as well, I realize Nighbor was one of the best defensive players of All-time, but MacKay was very well known for his defensive play as well shown by multiple sources.
Nighbor went from underrated to over, without a doubt.

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Nighbor went from underrated to over, without a doubt.
Rebuttal will be: he was a playmaker

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How much better is Frank Nighbors offense then Mickey MacKays?

Only difference in age is 1 year:

When they played in the same leagues together:

PCHA 1914-15
Frank Nighbor 17 GP 30 PTS
Mickey MacKay 17 GP 44 PTS

NHL 1926-27
Frank Nighbor 38 GP 12 PTS
Mickey MacKay 34 GP 22 PTS

NHL 1927-28
Frank Nighbor 42 GP 13 PTS
Mickey MacKay 36 GP 21 PTS

MacKay has the advantage the next year as well, I realize Nighbor was one of the best defensive players of All-time, but MacKay was very well known for his defensive play as well shown by multiple sources.
This is not a good argument, Mark, but if we must, Frank Nighbor held up the Stanley Cup at the end of the 1926-27 season, and was 6th in Hart trophy voting at the end of the 1927-28 season. Frank Nighbor won the Stanley Cup five times, and was the most important player on a dynasty team. Mickey MacKay one it only once, in the year he had Frank Nighbor on his team.

By your logic, Frank Frederickson was better than Mickey Mackay because Pittsburgh had to throw in $12,000 (a large sum at that time) when they swapped Mickey for Frank in 1928.

There's really no point in comparing players outside of their prime years.

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This is not a good argument, Mark, but if we must, Frank Nighbor held up the Stanley Cup at the end of the 1926-27 season, and was 6th in Hart trophy voting at the end of the 1927-28 season. Frank Nighbor won the Stanley Cup five times, and was the most important player on a dynasty team. Mickey MacKay one it only once, in the year he had Frank Nighbor on his team.
Didn't MacKay win it twice? and was the best player on his Vancouver Millionaires team that won it [Won Retro Hart (Take that as you will) and was 2nd in league scoring]

And cup counting?....Does that mean (undrafted role player with multiple Cups) is better then (undrafted first liner)?

I'm not trying to say MacKay is a better player, i'm trying to quantify the 147 pick difference in draft position.

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I could rebuttal and say as soon as Frederickson left and Boston acquired MacKay they won the Stanley Cup.


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Didn't MacKay win it twice? and was the best player on his Vancouver Millionaires team that won it.

And cup counting?....Does that mean Randy Mckay is better then Mats Sundin?

I'm not trying to say MacKay is a better player, i'm trying to quantify the 147 pick difference in draft position.



I could rebuttal and say as soon as Frederickson left and Boston acquired MacKay they won the Stanley Cup.
MacKay won the Cup twice, you are correct, though he was a secondary player on Boston's 1929 Cup. I'm assuming that is the one Sturminator forgot.

He clearly was not the best player on the 1915 Millionaires - Nighbor and Taylor are generally given the lion's share of the credit for that Cup, but regardless, the 1915 Millionaires were absolutely stacked.

Perhaps it's unfair to MacKay - two-way players seem to be more judged on how they bring in the championships than more offensive players, who can more easily be judged based on their stats.

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Didn't MacKay win it twice? and was the best player on his Vancouver Millionaires team that won it.
Picking one of MacKay, Taylor and Nighbor is foolish in hindsight. That trio dominated Ottawa.

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It also looks like MacKay lost almost 2 years of his prime due to the Cross Check from undrafted. If you notice Hockey reference he has no play-off stats from those years and he played in the Big-4 league for 1919-20.

I've never seen this brought up before, but that's a pretty significant blow to his career missing almost 2 years of his prime because of an on ice attack.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=jbih...MacKay&f=false

The incident had a massive impact on the 1919 PCHA Finals:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=vxPY...=0CC8Q6AEwATgU

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Didn't MacKay win it twice? and was the best player on his Vancouver Millionaires team that won it.
I suppose MacKay did get his name on the Cup in 1929, but he was nothing but a depth player by then. The claim that he was the best player on that stacked 1915 Vancouver Cup winner strains credulity.

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In the era when starters played almost the entire game, individual players had a much larger impact on team success than even the best modern-day players. Frank Nighbor was the lynchpin of the greatest dynasty of the first fifty years of professional hockey, and without him they were a mess.

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You are trying to quantify the difference between an elephant and a rhinoceros by looking at their tails.

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I could rebuttal and say as soon as Frederickson left and Boston acquired MacKay they won the Stanley Cup.
Which would be a silly argument considering that MacKay missed two of Boston's five playoff games that year and went scoreless, but sure, go for it.


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Alright, I know what I'm getting into here since this is a big jump, but I think he's definitely a worthy ATD starter, albeit low end.

With pick 245, West Island selects Henrik Lundqvist, G

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Alright, I know what I'm getting into here since this is a big jump, but I think he's definitely a worthy ATD starter, albeit low end.

With pick 245, West Island selects Henrik Lundqvist, G

Can someone please PM next guy for me? I'm about to finish a 15 minute break at work.
Will do and Lundqvist is the best goalie in the league right now but on an all time level there are others better than him right now.

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Alright, I know what I'm getting into here since this is a big jump, but I think he's definitely a worthy ATD starter, albeit low end.

With pick 245, West Island selects Henrik Lundqvist, G

Can someone please PM next guy for me? I'm about to finish a 15 minute break at work.
Count me among those who think he has been the best goaltender in the world over the past several seasons due to his consistency at a high level.. but I think you're going to have a tough sell here, mostly because of his lack of NHL team success which goalies seem to need to be taken seriously here.

Not that I would have expected the Rangers to be good enough around him at any point to have much success but..

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I suppose MacKay did get his name on the Cup in 1929, but he was nothing but a depth player by then. The claim that he was the best player on that stacked 1915 Vancouver Cup winner strains credulity.
He was 2nd in the league in scoring, first team All-star and awarded the Retro Hart...why is that claim so far fetched?

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In the era when starters played almost the entire game, individual players had a much larger impact on team success than even the best modern-day players. Frank Nighbor was the lynchpin of the greatest dynasty of the first fifty years of professional hockey, and without him they were a mess.
As were the Millionaires without MacKay, with all do respect Nighbor had a way better supporting cast then MacKay

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This doesn't answer anything....I know Nighbor is the better player, but surely the gap isn't as large as we have it.

The only answer I received was "Nighbor was the best player on a Dynasty"

Back to my original Question....


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LOLqvist... kinda early for 3rd string goalie.


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LOLqvist... kinda early for 3rd string goalie.
In what world is a guy approaching 300 wins in the NHL with a Vezina and a .920 career save percentage a 3rd string goalie?

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Well, Malkin was also a spare when he was drafted, so I think we see a trend here.

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I like the Henrik Lundqvist pick right now

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In what world is a guy approaching 300 wins in the NHL with a Vezina and a .920 career save percentage a 3rd string goalie?
Don't forget the gold in 2006 with Sweden. He could further his international resume with a strong showing over the next 2 weeks.

He's a real low end starter right now but that could very well change over the next few seasons. I think the individual awards will be key, because i simply don't see the Rangers doing anything teamwise, short term.

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Don't forget the gold in 2006 with Sweden. He could further his international resume with a strong showing over the next 2 weeks.

He's a real low end starter right now but that could very well change over the next few seasons. I think the individual awards will be key, because i simply don't see the Rangers doing anything teamwise, short term.
Meh.. I see international as icing on the cake

One and dones are nothing like winning 7 game series.

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It also looks like MacKay lost almost 2 years of his prime due to the Cross Check from undrafted.
He missed the entire 1919-20 PCHA season after getting his jaw shattered late in the 1918-19 season by a Suter/Kariya-esque crosscheck to the face that earned the offending player a lifetime ban from the coast league.

This crosscheck may have changed MacKay's career, or at least contemporary commentators wondered if it had:

31.10.1924 - The Morning Leader:

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How far, if at all, has Mickey MacKay slipped since that fateful night in Seattle when xxxxxx laid MacKay's jaw open with a blow from his stick and brought on himself a perpetual banishment from the Pacific Coast Hockey League.

Never over robust, spectacular in style and always able to uncork a lightning flash of speed in the pinch, MacKay has been, in the eyes of the critics, self-elevated to that position by virtue of repeated seasons at the Arena, an in-and-outer. One night he looks like the star of old, the next he couldn't be seen through the world's largest telescope. Changes in league personnel, the flooding of the hockey market with star players and the general expected revolution in hockey practice now that Vancouver is merged with the Western Canada Hockey League, induced MacKay to do some thinking recently.

When he signed yesterday for another year with the club he has served so long, Mickey expressed a determination to get into first class shape ere the season opened and to stay that way. Perhaps it will be news to many of the close pursuers of the hockey stars to know that last year, in the opening game, MacKay stopped a hard driven shot with his good right thigh. By the time he was in the dressing room it was necessary to cut away his hockey clothes, so badly swollen was the injury. MacKay was not himself again until toward the end of the season. He was used only on the pinch till the series in the east and the final playoff, when he went with much of his old-time speed and abandon.

"I wasn't right last year," Mickey said recently, "and I know it. I couldn't seem to get going. This year I'm starting out early, taking the game seriously and will make an honest endeavor to deliver everything I possess in every game."

If Mickey carries out his preseason promises it may result in a comparative in-and-outer returning with a bang to stardom. MacKay joined Vancouver in 1915, coming here from Grand Forks, where he set the sticks ablaze with his form. MacKay leaped right into the forefront in hockey and for several years was among the league's leading scorers.
Interesting thing about MacKay's career is his postseason performances before and after the shattered jaw:

Before: 11-8-19 in 10 career playoff games (8 Cup finals games and 2 PCHA playoff games)

After: 7-4-11 in 29 career playoff games (16 Cup finals games and 13 Western League playoff games)

*out of fairness, I omit MacKay's NHL postseason stats, as he was past his prime

MacKay's Vancouver teams were actually quite good even after Taylor passed his peak, featuring MacKay, Lehman, a strong defense and a few other good forwards (including a young Frank Boucher). They came out of the PCHA for four years straight from 1921 to 1924, and four years straight lost to the NHL teams they faced, twice going down to the Ottawa Senators. MacKay scored 2-1-3 in those 16 games.

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MacKay seems to have been a great player who didn't quite live up to his full potential, for various reasons. His career was nevertheless outstanding, but he was definitely no Frank Nighbor.

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Meh.. I see international as icing on the cake

One and dones are nothing like winning 7 game series.
He's not on a team that is near good enough to compete deep in 7 game series (NHL playoffs). That's just an easy fact.

I think individual awards is where he'll build any sort of lasting legacy. And obviously there is no guarantee of that. He's been rather average for stretches this season. Time will tell.

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John Tonelli - LW

Adding Tonelli allows the Thistles to drop Gainey to a 3rd line checking role while providing an exceptional corner-man and defensive conscience flanking Evgeni Malkin.

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It was often said that while Trottier, Bossy, Denis Potvin, Clark Gillies and Billy Smith were considered to be the keys to their success, it was Nystrom and Tonelli who were the heart and soul of the dynastic powerhouse.

It still took John a couple of years to hit his stride at the NHL level, but he always seemed to raise his game in the playoffs.For example, in his second season J.T. scored 14 goals and 44 points, relatively modest numbers. But in the playoffs he erupted with 7 goals and 16 points in 21 games. His last point of that playoff was an assist on the famous XXX XXX overtime goal that clinched the Isles their first Stanley Cup!

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He not only made the team, he had nine points, including a key assist on Mike Bossy's goal in overtime of the semifinal. Canada won the championship and Tonelli was named the tournament's best player. He then rejoined the Islanders and had his best season ever, scoring 42 goals and 100 points.

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Lundquist is a top-notch goalie who should actually be argued for more hart nominations than hes got. Kept the rangers as a contender for many seasons now.

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He was 2nd in the league in scoring, first team All-star and awarded the Retro Hart...why is that claim so far fetched?
A retro Hart?! Really?

You want to quantify the offensive difference between them. My "answer" is that doing so is extremely difficult, and that your first attempt was a poor one. I'm not sure if their respective offensive values can be quantified in a coherent way, but I am sure that it would take a lot of work, and I'm not going to be the guy that does it.

edit: you must forgive me mark. You broached this subject at a tricky time. I am working on a large comparison of the various PCHA centermen (Frederickson, MacKay, Foyston and Morris) for the next round of the HOH top centermen project, and digging up old information on MacKay has been part of that process.

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