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The Sedins faces are too small in relation to their heads!!! It must be the pressure of playing in Vancouver that's stunting their growth!!
Dude I am not picking on how he looks I am saying he looks out of shape and if you were a true hockey fan you would admit that! I dont care about his apperance I dont live on Davie street and I am married to a women I couldn't care less if he was on the cover of GQ or needed a paper bag so he wouldn't break mirrors!! He does not look like he is in good enuph shape to be an NHL hockey player!!!! THATS MY POINT GET IT!!!!!
For the last two playoffs, the Canucks were thrashed by Fat Albert.
1. Alexander Ovechkin Washington 0.62
2. Sidney Crosby Pittsburgh 0.58
3. Marian Gaborik N.Y. Rangers 0.54
4. Alexander Semin Washington 0.53
5. Steven Stamkos Tampa Bay 0.53
6. Jeff Carter Philadelphia 0.49
7. Zach Parise New Jersey 0.49
8. Johan Franzen Detroit 0.48
9. Ilya Kovalchuk New Jersey 0.48
10. Patrick Marleau San Jose 0.48
last 2 seasons, phil kessel 0.47 (66 goals in 140 games)
Projected over an 82 game season,
Jeff Carter and parise would score 1.64 more goals per season,
and Ilya Kovalchuk and patrick marleau would score .8 more goals per season.
Semin, Stamkos and gaborik would score 5 more goals per season.
So basically the difference between kessel and top flight goal scorers like carter, kovalchuk, marleau, parise is less than 2 goals per year. Kessel plays with worse players and is the second youngest player on the list. Oh and he plays on the leafs.
Kessel is a top young scorer who is not worth a first round pick and would not be in Vancouvers top 9????????
Again the difference between a 21/22 year old kessel and a 27/28 year old kovalchuk is less than 2 goals over a season.....REALLY????????????
also again at 21/22 kessel has scored at a rate less than 2 goals per season over 40 goal scorers like carter, parise, marleau and Kovalchuk.... Does anyone really think he cant get to 40??????
also again at 21/22 kessel has scored at a rate less than 2 goals per season over 40 goal scorers like carter, parise, marleau and Kovalchuk.... Does anyone really think he cant get to 40??????
Lets see him do it - we thought he could last year... nope... we thought he definitely would this year... doesn't look like it will happen...
Coming from a TOR perspective, I'm still waiting for Kessel to break out. I think he has top goal scorer potential (i.e. Gaborik), but he hasn't shown it yet. When he is on his game, he is as dangerous as anyone on that list... but so far, that has been far from a regular occurence. That is what differentiates Kessel from anyone on that list (except maybe Kovalchuk this year )
Lets see him do it - we thought he could last year... nope... we thought he definitely would this year... doesn't look like it will happen...
Coming from a TOR perspective, I'm still waiting for Kessel to break out. I think he has top goal scorer potential (i.e. Gaborik), but he hasn't shown it yet. When he is on his game, he is as dangerous as anyone on that list... but so far, that has been far from a regular occurence. That is what differentiates Kessel from anyone on that list (except maybe Kovalchuk this year )
are you sure? He is not stamkos, crosby or ovechkin absolutely.
However, at 21/22
Parise: had 2 full seasons of 14 goals and 31 goals. gpg avg .27
Carter: had a full season of 23 goals and a 14g/62 games. gpg avg .3
Franzen: not even in the NHL
Marleau: had 2 full seasons of 21 and 25 goals gpg avg .28
Kovalchuk:1 year was lockout but would have destroyed kessel
Gaborik: again 1 year was a lockout but 18g/65 as a 21 year old gpg avg .28
Kessel has had more 30goal seasons, an olympic silver medal, a masterton trophy and scores at a pro rated rate of 16 goals/year more than 5 of the top 10 goal scorers in the NHL at his age...
Ottawa, NYI, Florida, Columbus, St. Louis and Calgary would problably all jump at the chance to get Kessel for their first.
Not a chance. Kessel is ONE DIMENSIONAL, all he can do is SCORE. Why would a rebuilding team take on a contract like that when they can rebuild through the draft with a top five pick. Don't most Leaf fans wish they did that?? Yes.
No team picking top five, and probably top ten will give up that pick for Kessel.
also again at 21/22 kessel has scored at a rate less than 2 goals per season over 40 goal scorers like carter, parise, marleau and Kovalchuk.... Does anyone really think he cant get to 40??????
Kessel could easily score 40 goals a season. He doesn't have the work ethic, the mindset, or the gusto those guys have. It started when the Bruins drafted him. Many thought Kessel would be in the top-3 but he fell to 5th because there were rumors about his attitude and work ethic.
Post-Draft Interview:
He's obviously miffed in the interview he fell in the draft, but did he come out and try and prove the critics wrong? No. Instead more rumors filtered out of Boston about how he skips out on the gym, doesn't work on things with other players after practice and Aaron Ward recently joked that the team used to joke with him saying "If the rink were round that he'd be the perfect player" at the fact that Kessel has never seen the corner of a rink.
Then you have the ASG draft. Picked last. I truly felt bad for him and thought: Wow! He's going to really come out and dominate this game since the style of play will favor him. Yet out of 21 goals scored and 38 assists handed out Kessel managed 0 points and looked out of place.
He has no compete switch. He has this "This is what I am, take it or leave it" type ego. Players like Stamkos, Ovechkin, Crosby, Toews, Richards, or Staal would never settle for anything but success and constantly work at getting better. That's why they're some of the best.
In the end Kessel is just a sad story. Everyone sees the skills he has and realizes he could easily be a top-10 scorer in the league but he doesn't have the drive to do so. That is why I'd take that entire list you previously mentioned and probably add another 30 players before I took Kessel in any situation. Good player, could be a great player, but doesn't have the work ethic or want to do so.
Not a chance. Kessel is ONE DIMENSIONAL, all he can do is SCORE. Why would a rebuilding team take on a contract like that when they can rebuild through the draft with a top five pick. Don't most Leaf fans wish they did that?? Yes.
No team picking top five, and probably top ten will give up that pick for Kessel.
You guys overrate first rounders so much. Kessel's production thus far is better than a lot of top 5 picks.
There's a stigma that any top 5 pick is going to be a star. It's ridiculous.
Not a chance. Kessel is ONE DIMENSIONAL, all he can do is SCORE. Why would a rebuilding team take on a contract like that when they can rebuild through the draft with a top five pick. Don't most Leaf fans wish they did that?? Yes.
No team picking top five, and probably top ten will give up that pick for Kessel.
because the draft is a gamble. Sure you could get a great player like skinner, but you could also get a 8 goal scorer like seguin
You guys overrate first rounders so much. Kessel's production thus far is better than a lot of top 5 picks.
There's a stigma that any top 5 pick is going to be a star. It's ridiculous.
Not saying that at all. But why would a rebuilding team repeat what seems to be a mistake on Burkes part? Why would a team trade a good pick for a lazy one dimensional scorer? Like I said before, if I'm a team trying to get over the hump I trade my 1st rounder any day, but a team trying to get over the hump isnt rebuilding.
Not saying that at all. But why would a rebuilding team repeat what seems to be a mistake on Burkes part? Why would a team trade a good pick for a lazy one dimensional scorer? Like I said before, if I'm a team trying to get over the hump I trade my 1st rounder any day, but a team trying to get over the hump isnt rebuilding.
I'm just saying I think most people believe all the top 5 players in the upcoming draft will end up better than Kesse;. Probably most 5-10 draft pick too.
Kessel's production is pretty good compared to the vast majority of top 5 picks.
Columbus, Florida and Atlanta might not mind seeing how all those top 5-10 picks have been a bust for them and rebuilding hasn't worked.
i would give up our 1st for him. Likely to be somewhere between 10-20
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Originally Posted by RogerRoeper
I'm just saying I think most people believe all the top 5 players in the upcoming draft will end up better than Kesse;. Probably most 5-10 draft pick too. Kessel's production is pretty good compared to the vast majority of top 5 picks.
Columbus, Florida and Atlanta might not mind seeing how all those top 5-10 picks have been a bust for them and rebuilding hasn't worked.
Yes, if I were in your position I'd consider that trade as well.
And yes some absolutely do. But when you consider the stage teams are in as of now, why would they add a complementary piece when they have nothing to complement him with? I'd agree with Atlanta, Florida not so sure about, CBJ I doubt because theyd be more inclined to spend the 1st on a center IMO.
Point is, developing teams arent gonna want to repeat Burke's mistake when they know Kessel can't carry a team by himself (not trying to be an ass, just reality).
Not saying that at all. But why would a rebuilding team repeat what seems to be a mistake on Burkes part? Why would a team trade a good pick for a lazy one dimensional scorer? Like I said before, if I'm a team trying to get over the hump I trade my 1st rounder any day, but a team trying to get over the hump isnt rebuilding.
it takes a lot more than a 1st round pick to get a 23-year old 30-40 goal scorer with 40+ potential with legit linemates. Yes he is one dimensional, but he's a pure goal scorer. With good coaching, he might be able to develop other areas of his game as well being only 23
2009-2010:
Jeff Carter (age 24): 74GP 33G 28A 61P
Phil Kessel (age 22): 70GP 30G 25A 55P
it takes a lot more than a 1st to get a 23-year old 30-40 goal scorer with 40+ potential with legit linemates. Yes he is one dimensional, but he's a pure goal scorer. With good coaching, he might be able to develop other areas of his game as well being only 23
And a top ten pick might become a superstar as well.
I'm just saying I think most people believe all the top 5 players in the upcoming draft will end up better than Kesse;. Probably most 5-10 draft pick too.
Kessel's production is pretty good compared to the vast majority of top 5 picks.
Columbus, Florida and Atlanta might not mind seeing how all those top 5-10 picks have been a bust for them and rebuilding hasn't worked.
Production does not equal winning.
See: Kessel, Phil
He scores, yes, but he adds nothing else to your team and is a liability in other ways.
Kessel is already a 30-40 goal scorer. A top 10 pick is not
News to me.
And hes a scorer that doesnt help a bad team become significantly better, as you can see the last couple years. So why would a rebuilding team do it....
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