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Need someone to round out the Top-6. If San Jose feels that they are seriously out of contention for the cup how about something like Samuelsson+Top Prospect+2nd
Need someone to round out the Top-6. If San Jose feels that they are seriously out of contention for the cup how about something like Samuelsson+Top Prospect+2nd
The Canucks would not be a better team after such a trade.
Clowe lacks the speed to play on the Kesler line and is too expensive to replace Torres on the 3rd. On top of that you give away far too much to a rival conference team to get him. That would be similar to the Ehrhoff trade in reverse.
The Sharks would want , Ehrhoff or Bieksa in return...I can see them also asking for Connauton, a big solid puck moving dman that can put up a ton of points! exactly what the sharks need at the moment..
Clowe isn't going anywhere anyway, we'd want Ehrhoff or Edler, which makes you a worse team too.
Should of thought about it before you traded him for practically nothing.There is no way the Canucks are going to let either of these guys go.
I don't see why people propose to trade Samuelsson? He has been lights out last playoffs and I am sure he will be clutch again this year!
Canucks' forwards pick up his slack for now therefore there is no need for more offence.
The Canucks should not worry about scoring the most goals during the regular season they need to worry about preforming in the playoffs and Samuelsson has proven that he can preform in the playoffs.
The Canucks would not be a better team after such a trade.
Clowe lacks the speed to play on the Kesler line and is too expensive to replace Torres on the 3rd. On top of that you give away far too much to a rival conference team to get him. That would be similar to the Ehrhoff trade in reverse.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Short version: The Canucks trading for Clowe, with his asking price being at an all time high, for what his role, and likely chemistry on this team, would be on this team would be, doesn't make sense.
Long version:Clowe is a valuable player, and would be an improvement on our roster the way he is playing. Kesler is faster then Clowe, and he, over the past few seasons, has been able to create chemistry with very, very fast skaters, the Hansens, Tambellinis, Shirokovs and Raymonds of this team. With those players available for him to play with, I don't know that even Clowe could simply step into one of the roles that those four mentioned seem to provide as speedsters. Clowe, with his style of play, would be more in line with Malhotra, Samuelsson or Torres. NOT IN TERMS OF SKILL, but rather in terms of the style of play I have watched Clowe play.
I like Clowe, and for the kind of damage he'd do to the opposition, he shouldn't play on the third line here. Also, he would be very expensive in that role, and while I would love a line with Kesler and Clowe, changing the type of game Kesler and his linemates play, it could cause chaos messing with a winning formula there at this point in the season. Other players are more suitable for our second line, and the price of acquiring Clowe, especially considering the trade history between the two teams and the likelyhood of a Sharks-Canucks playoff series, let alone his cap hit here, combines into a mess for Vancouver.
14G, 27A, 41P, +6 (relatively amazing with the awful D that the sharks have), 69 PIMs, 96 hits.
Yeah, a Samuelsson / Clowe swap (Clowe outscoring Sammy by 10 points in 3 less games, btw) would totally be the Ehrhoff trade, right?
And don't try to rationalize that hilariously inane comment.
Clowe ain't leaving. Guy is future captain material and a stark contrast to the cavalier attitudes of the big three. If the Sharks are adding players, draft picks, prospect goalies, and forwards that are getting pushed out (Seto, McGinn, et al) will be dealt.
EDIT: Ah - there is a 'top prospect' and a 2nd included.
Real life GMs don't value top prospects and late 2nd rounders as much as HFers do. Trust me.
Mike Gillis does. Gillis is building a consistent contender, a team that's always capable of winning it all.
He values development a lot, and with our structure, Clowe just doesn't fit without moving a crucial piece due to his aforementioned high value to the Sharks.
I think we'd be better off not dealing within conference to a direct Playoff rival matchup.
Short version: The Canucks trading for Clowe, with his asking price being at an all time high, for what his role, and likely chemistry on this team, would be on this team would be, doesn't make sense.
Long version:Clowe is a valuable player, and would be an improvement on our roster the way he is playing. Kesler is faster then Clowe, and he, over the past few seasons, has been able to create chemistry with very, very fast skaters, the Hansens, Tambellinis, Shirokovs and Raymonds of this team. With those players available for him to play with, I don't know that even Clowe could simply step into one of the roles that those four mentioned seem to provide as speedsters. Clowe, with his style of play, would be more in line with Malhotra, Samuelsson or Torres. NOT IN TERMS OF SKILL, but rather in terms of the style of play I have watched Clowe play.
I like Clowe, and for the kind of damage he'd do to the opposition, he shouldn't play on the third line here. Also, he would be very expensive in that role, and while I would love a line with Kesler and Clowe, changing the type of game Kesler and his linemates play, it could cause chaos messing with a winning formula there at this point in the season. Other players are more suitable for our second line, and the price of acquiring Clowe, especially considering the trade history between the two teams and the likelyhood of a Sharks-Canucks playoff series, let alone his cap hit here, combines into a mess for Vancouver.
Clowe is no slow poke, but he is also no Raymond.
Skating speed is irrelevant here. Clowe plays fast because he moves the puck fast and intelligently. Just because Kesler has speed and can play well with other guys who showcase skating speed doesn't mean that Clowe can't play with Kesler. That's a ridiculous assumption to make. The guys that know how to move the puck quickly are always going to play faster than the guys who rely on their skating speed. I simply do not see how Kesler's game has to change just because he would play with Clowe and you could still have a Raymond or a Shirokov on the other wing.
You can rationalize why trading for Clowe would not be wise due to the pieces needed to go the other way or his cap hit or the lack of desire to trade with a competitor. However, saying he wouldn't fit on either of the Canucks top two lines or would force a change in how someone plays is ridiculous.
The Canucks would not be a better team after such a trade.
Clowe lacks the speed to play on the Kesler line and is too expensive to replace Torres on the 3rd. On top of that you give away far too much to a rival conference team to get him. That would be similar to the Ehrhoff trade in reverse.
Samuelsson + prospect + 2nd = top-2 defenseman
Clowe = 2 prospects likely to never make it to the NHL
Need someone to round out the Top-6. If San Jose feels that they are seriously out of contention for the cup how about something like Samuelsson+Top Prospect+2nd
The Sharks are 5th in the West. Why on earth would DW want to start dismantling the top 6, much less Ryane Clowe?
The only way the Canucks touch him is if Ehrhoff or Edler is coming to San Jose, which will not happen.
Why would the Sharks want an aging Samuelson, low 2nd and a "Top" prospect that I would be pushed to believe is not named Shroeder?
The Canucks would not be a better team after such a trade.
Clowe lacks the speed to play on the Kesler line and is too expensive to replace Torres on the 3rd. On top of that you give away far too much to a rival conference team to get him. That would be similar to the Ehrhoff trade in reverse.
You clearly are unfamiliar with Ryan Clowe. He's one of the best players in San Jose.
There's no way the Sharks would give him to Vancouver for anything short of a gross overpayment. Samuelsson + draft picks would not even come close to getting it done.
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Skating speed is irrelevant here. Clowe plays fast because he moves the puck fast and intelligently. Just because Kesler has speed and can play well with other guys who showcase skating speed doesn't mean that Clowe can't play with Kesler. That's a ridiculous assumption to make. The guys that know how to move the puck quickly are always going to play faster than the guys who rely on their skating speed. I simply do not see how Kesler's game has to change just because he would play with Clowe and you could still have a Raymond or a Shirokov on the other wing.
You can rationalize why trading for Clowe would not be wise due to the pieces needed to go the other way or his cap hit or the lack of desire to trade with a competitor. However, saying he wouldn't fit on either of the Canucks top two lines or would force a change in how someone plays is ridiculous.
This is pretty much bang on. The Canucks need a player like Clowe to round out their top 6, but Clowe is much to valuable to the Sharks to be traded. The Canucks won't need 3 speedy players on one line in the playoffs, they are better off spreading that speed out and giving Kesler some help down low and on the boards.
Just for ***** and giggles, I like the idea of throwing Clowe out with the Sedins and moving Burrows to the second line-he's had success with Kesler in the past.
Sedin Sedin Clowe
Raymond Kesler Burrows
More realistic is the Canucks targeting a fourth line center or a 'Clowe-lite', whoever that may be.
Skating speed is irrelevant here. Clowe plays fast because he moves the puck fast and intelligently. Just because Kesler has speed and can play well with other guys who showcase skating speed doesn't mean that Clowe can't play with Kesler. That's a ridiculous assumption to make. The guys that know how to move the puck quickly are always going to play faster than the guys who rely on their skating speed. I simply do not see how Kesler's game has to change just because he would play with Clowe and you could still have a Raymond or a Shirokov on the other wing.
You can rationalize why trading for Clowe would not be wise due to the pieces needed to go the other way or his cap hit or the lack of desire to trade with a competitor. However, saying he wouldn't fit on either of the Canucks top two lines or would force a change in how someone plays is ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by LostMyGlasses
This is pretty much bang on. The Canucks need a player like Clowe to round out their top 6, but Clowe is much to valuable to the Sharks to be traded. The Canucks won't need 3 speedy players on one line in the playoffs, they are better off spreading that speed out and giving Kesler some help down low and on the boards.
Just for ***** and giggles, I like the idea of throwing Clowe out with the Sedins and moving Burrows to the second line-he's had success with Kesler in the past.
Sedin Sedin Clowe
Raymond Kesler Burrows
More realistic is the Canucks targeting a fourth line center or a 'Clowe-lite', whoever that may be.
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Originally Posted by luiginb
Kesler line, third line?? Slot him in with the Sedins, sit back and enjoy the show. It would take Edler and Torres for him though.
I didn't think through the Sedins/Clowe, as he would compliment the Sedins nicely in hindsight, but when ever we alter the Kesler line from him and two other speedsters, there is very limited success for a few games, and then we're forced back into the "traditional" line combo. Clowe is at least double the guys we've made the changes with, Samuelsson or Torres during his hot streak, but I'm still unconvinced that line would benefit. I agree wholeheartedly with the Sedins though, assuming Burrows doesn't jump back into his 30 goal form.
