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02-07-2011, 05:07 PM
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Your 1st Round Pick In 2011 To Edmonton

What would it take the Oilers to acquire your 1st round pick in 2011? You can also add other players to the trade.

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02-07-2011, 05:08 PM
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hemsky or penner?

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According to Richard Cloutier, Brule and Cogliano should fetch 4 1st rounders.

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Is this really the right direction for Edmonton? I think they have enough youth as it is. Youth has a shelf life too. Eberle, Hall, MSP will soon demand higher contracts.

IMO the Oilers are much better off acquiring more established veteran players to play along these young guys as they begin to peak. This is basically what Chicago did by bringing in Campbell and Hossa.....well it also helps if you can fleece teams out of players like Sharp and Versteeg and pull Doughty with a 54th overall pick. Another lesson to learn from Chicago, is that the window for teams built with lots of draft picks is small. No team can afford to hold onto all of their talent and the team is eventually split up.

Teams that continuously trade waves of talent for more and more picks never seem to get anywhere. You already have another lottery pick from this year, do you really need more draft picks at this point?


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Your 1st round pick next year.

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02-07-2011, 05:17 PM
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According to Richard Cloutier, Brule and Cogliano should fetch 4 1st rounders.
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Is this really the right direction for Edmonton? I think they have enough youth as it is. Youth has a shelf life too. Eberle, Hall, MSP will soon demand higher contracts.

IMO the Oilers are much better off acquiring more established veteran players to play along these young guys as they begin to peak. This is basically what Chicago did.

Teams that continuously trade waves of talent for more and more picks never seem to get anywhere.
Very true. And then there youth become unhappy and eventually leave by UFA or get traded. See Florida as a key example.

I think Edmonton needs to keep their picks and start to sign some hard working veterans to play with these kids. As long as they don't over pay, they may be able to build a solid foundation. If Hemsky and Penner want to stick around, for example, I say keep em. You guys are really only a few years away from playoff contention assuming you can sign a few veterans, a good top 6 center, and another top 4 defenseman.

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Seriously, I don't know if I'd want to trade our 1st (MTL) this year, knowing we don't have any 2nd pick. However, I'd maybe like a deal around Penner and our first.

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Your 1st round pick next year.
If the offer came from New Jersey or Ottawa, fine, but not the Flyers man...

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Is this really the right direction for Edmonton? I think they have enough youth as it is. Youth has a shelf life too. Eberle, Hall, MSP will soon demand higher contracts.

IMO the Oilers are much better off acquiring more established veteran players to play along these young guys as they begin to peak. This is basically what Chicago did by bringing in Campbell and Hossa.....well it also helps if you can fleece teams out of players like Sharp and Versteeg and pull Doughty with a 54th overall pick. Another lesson to learn from Chicago, is that the window for teams built with lots of draft picks is small. No team can afford to hold onto all of their talent and the team is eventually split up.

Teams that continuously trade waves of talent for more and more picks never seem to get anywhere. You already have another lottery pick from this year, do you really need more draft picks at this point?
The Oilers had a pretty bare prospect cupboard up until last year. It won't hurt to bring in more picks/youth, but it certainly will hurt if we don't bring in some experience soon.

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Is this really the right direction for Edmonton? I think they have enough youth as it is. Youth has a shelf life too. Eberle, Hall, MSP will soon demand higher contracts.

Depth in the minors is no problem. Money ain't no thang in Edmonton anymore.

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Even in a rebuild you need to have some veterans around. And you need to give the young guys you have a proper chance or you have to trade them away cheaply. This is why I think hanging on to Hemsky and probably Penner will be better for Oilers in the long run.

I know that in theory it would be awesome to have ten star caliber guys ages 18-22 next year but in reality it's not an ideal situation.

Not saying a 1st wouldn't have any value to the Oilers of course. But what you have to give up to get it might have bigger value to the team in the long run.

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Depth in the minors is no problem. Money ain't no thang in Edmonton anymore.
Pretty sure he was referring to the eventual new contracts' cap hits. Cap space is a 'thang' for every franchise

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What would it take the Oilers to acquire your 1st round pick in 2011? You can also add other players to the trade.
With a 2011 top 3 pick,the isles will be looking at RNH,Larsson,Courturier.
Are the Oilers offering up a 20-22 yr old with their upside?

from last yr's draft:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=28980
The Islanders will also field offers to trade their pick, but it is believed that Snow would be unwilling to part with it unless he received a comparable young NHL player or prospect. If Snow was offered a player similar to the player he plans on drafting with 2-4 years of additional experience, he'd consider making the swap to expedite the team's development..

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Pretty sure he was referring to the eventual new contracts' cap hits. Cap space is a 'thang' for every franchise
Katz is capable of helping out on the side

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Pretty sure he was referring to the eventual new contracts' cap hits. Cap space is a 'thang' for every franchise
Exactly.

If I'm Edmonton I try to make a run for it while ESP, Hall, Eberle, etc... are all on entry level contracts. Add the veterans on top of those players once they become slightly more developed/experienced and you have a true force.

Also, Dustin Penner is 28...not 34. He is just moving into his prime now.

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Pens might be interested in Penner or Hemsky.

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What about acquiring Toronto's pick that Boston has. Is Boston interested in Penner or Hemsky at the dealine? I hear the Oilers are most likely taking Larsson with their pick (if possible), but a big guy like Couturier in the middle could be good for us.

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Exactly.

If I'm Edmonton I try to make a run for it while ESP, Hall, Eberle, etc... are all on entry level contracts. Add the veterans on top of those players once they become slightly more developed/experienced and you have a true force.

Also, Dustin Penner is 28...not 34. He is just moving into his prime now.
It would be nice, but getting the guys to make a run would be almost impossible for Edmonton. Not to mention that we would need:
A top pair defenseman
Possibly a second pair defenseman
A top line center
A faceoff/penalty kill specialist

All signed. I highly doubt that we could get all of that via free agency. It would be a successful offseason in Edmonton if we can sign one of those.

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What about acquiring Toronto's pick that Boston has. Is Boston interested in Penner or Hemsky at the dealine? I hear the Oilers are most likely taking Larsson with their pick (if possible), but a big guy like Couturier in the middle could be good for us.
I think Boston is kind of set on the wings, they are looking for a puck moving d-man. And Gilbert isn't enough to get a first rounder.

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Bos Gets- Edm 2nd round pick in 2011
Ales Hemsky or Dustin Penner

Oil Get- Toronto's first overall in 2011


Maybe they don't need anyone on the wings, but Hemsky playing with Horton or Ryder (Good shooters) or even fellow countryman David Krejci could be beneficial to Boston going into the playoffs.

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Bos Gets- Edm 2nd round pick in 2011
Ales Hemsky or Dustin Penner

Oil Get- Toronto's first overall in 2011


Maybe they don't need anyone on the wings, but Hemsky playing with Horton or Ryder (Good shooters) or even fellow countryman David Krejci could be beneficial to Boston going into the playoffs.
dropping out of the first round from a top 5 pick isn't worth hemsky or penner. especially considering boston's cap issues

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What would it take the Oilers to acquire your 1st round pick in 2011? You can also add other players to the trade.
Is that you Mike Milbury? Trading players for picks and junk in a never ending cycle.

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