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RD Matt Dumba (2012, 7th overall, Minnesota)

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04-18-2012, 12:02 PM
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Dumba is listed anywhere from 5'10 to 5'11 ranging from 165 lbs to 175 lbs. This is a small player. With the physical way he plays the game he wont last long in the NHL. Perhaps he may have a growth spurt and get to 6'0 190 lbs in the NHL. However, even at that size this is still small for an NHL defenseman. I cannot see a team taking this huge risk with Dumba's size in the top 5.
What do you mean by the "physical way he plays the game"?

You do realize that he's not an overly physical player, aside from the odd open ice hit he tries to make. And if you look at guys like Stephane Robidas and Francis Boullion, they are both smaller guys that are still physical.....

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04-18-2012, 12:12 PM
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Let me say this, I was dead set against the thought that the JETS may draft Dumba. If defense was their target I would prefer that they go with Trouba, Reilly, Reinhart or Ceci.

Now, the more I think about it, if the JETS felt he was the BPA at #9, I could live with it. What's changed my view? I see his skill set as an overall comparison to Nicklas Kronwall. IIRC, when Kronwall was drafted, he to was quite slight. Now, at only 190, nobody talks about Kronwall's size as a detriment, especially those on the wrong side of being "KRONWALLED" at the offensive blue line.

Granted, Kronwall got to learn from one of the best defensemen to ever play the game in Lidstrom, but I am starting to feel if an organization feels they can get him on a program to add 20 lbs of muscle and reign in some of his wildness, he will be a great addition.

His hockey sense is not necessarily poor, he just needs a little maturing and good coaching. Bottom line is the guy has intangibles that just cannot be taught.

If he's as solid on his skates as some scouting reports suggest, with some added weigh and muscle, he will be like a tank.

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04-18-2012, 04:36 PM
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The good and the bad of Dumba was on display at the U18s today.

Beauty shot on his goal. Poor defensive IQ and positioning on the 3rd goal for the US.
you want to break your comment down for me? because i didn't see poor defensive iq/positioning on that 3rd goal. there was a 2 on 1 down low and dumba was in the slot defending...the ONLY place he could be. it was the perfect place to break up a pass destined for a u.s.a. player heading for the net. he broke up that play and the puck got past him as it hit him in the heel of his stick. at that point the puck slowly trickled to the point which was wide open. the only thing he could do at that point was to try to block the shot. he couldn't block the shot as it went high and it beat the goalie. big deal. poor defensive iq? bull.


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04-18-2012, 05:53 PM
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Dumba is listed anywhere from 5'10 to 5'11 ranging from 165 lbs to 175 lbs. This is a small player. With the physical way he plays the game he wont last long in the NHL. Perhaps he may have a growth spurt and get to 6'0 190 lbs in the NHL. However, even at that size this is still small for an NHL defenseman. I cannot see a team taking this huge risk with Dumba's size in the top 5.
For draft eligible players' measurements, you go by Central Scouting and Central Scouting alone. They actual take the players' measurements. They don't just go by team reports or what the player or his agent says.

Central Scouting lists Dumba as 5'11.75, so, even without a growth spurt, he's going to be listed as 6'0 as a pro. He might even end up being listed as 6'1 by the time he's 22 or so. And that's without a growth spurt.

As for weight, Central Scouting has him listed at 173, down from 183 in their midterm rankings. We'll see what he is at the combine and then we'll see what he is at training camp. Since he was 183 at the start of the year (whenever it was he was weighed) and since he's apparently a gym rat, I'm guessing there's a good chance he'll show up to training camp at 190. He might be the kind of guy who loses mass throughout the year, but that's hardly unique and it's training camp weights people see, not mid or end of year weights.

Still not a huge guy, but I think he's going to be listed as 6'0 185-190 this September (after just turning 18 at the end of July).

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04-18-2012, 07:41 PM
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For draft eligible players' measurements, you go by Central Scouting and Central Scouting alone. They actual take the players' measurements. They don't just go by team reports or what the player or his agent says.

Central Scouting lists Dumba as 5'11.75, so, even without a growth spurt, he's going to be listed as 6'0 as a pro. He might even end up being listed as 6'1 by the time he's 22 or so. And that's without a growth spurt.

As for weight, Central Scouting has him listed at 173, down from 183 in their midterm rankings. We'll see what he is at the combine and then we'll see what he is at training camp. Since he was 183 at the start of the year (whenever it was he was weighed) and since he's apparently a gym rat, I'm guessing there's a good chance he'll show up to training camp at 190. He might be the kind of guy who loses mass throughout the year, but that's hardly unique and it's training camp weights people see, not mid or end of year weights.

Still not a huge guy, but I think he's going to be listed as 6'0 185-190 this September (after just turning 18 at the end of July).
I know down the stretch the Rebels were routinely using 4 defenceman a night in their lineup. Him and Petrovic were playing a TON. It was like that for atleast the last month.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if he lost atleast 5 pounds over that time frame, likely more than that.

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Seemed like he played well today. He got burned on one of Russias goals but on the bigger ice surface things like this will happen. Now the open ice hit that he received a 10 misconduct for was a joke of a penalty. If this is the what he brings to big games I am all for it. Isles have enough safe defensive players to help him out. I want some action!

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04-21-2012, 12:00 AM
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Dumba is listed anywhere from 5'10 to 5'11 ranging from 165 lbs to 175 lbs. This is a small player. With the physical way he plays the game he wont last long in the NHL. Perhaps he may have a growth spurt and get to 6'0 190 lbs in the NHL. However, even at that size this is still small for an NHL defenseman. I cannot see a team taking this huge risk with Dumba's size in the top 5.
he's more like 185 5'11-6'0 I've stood beside him in his under armour.

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What do you mean by the "physical way he plays the game"?

You do realize that he's not an overly physical player, aside from the odd open ice hit he tries to make. And if you look at guys like Stephane Robidas and Francis Boullion, they are both smaller guys that are still physical.....
i'm glad you mentioned this. people think he runs around like a wild man on every shift looking for blood and he therefore, won't be able to sustain an nhl career due to this. this, of course, couldn't be further from the truth.

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I think the debate will be if Dumba and Murray are available when the Isles pick.

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Seemed like he played well today. He got burned on one of Russias goals but on the bigger ice surface things like this will happen. Now the open ice hit that he received a 10 misconduct for was a joke of a penalty. If this is the what he brings to big games I am all for it. Isles have enough safe defensive players to help him out. I want some action!
Do you know where I can find a clip of that hit?

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http://watch.tsn.ca/international-hockey/#clip662320

You might only be able to watch that in Canada though.

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I think the debate will be if Dumba and Murray are available when the Isles pick.
What's funny is that the three Mocks on NHL.com have him going past 10th overall. His only detriments are his "small" size and his "poor defensive IQ." Some good coaching and a growth spurt () will do wonders for him.

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http://watch.tsn.ca/international-hockey/#clip662320

You might only be able to watch that in Canada though.
It worked, thank you!

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well after the under 18's, the high risk-high reward label cannot be removed before draft day. something is ALWAYS happening when he is on the ice. my opinion is that it is much more positive than negative. the bronze medal game absolutely showed this. 3 assists, including one on the overtime winner and and couple big hits are the positives. the negatives? he was beat on a one on one to the inside of the ice which led to a finland goal. he was also beat to the outside in the next period and he took a penalty where finland scored on the pp.

even considering the drawbacks, anyone could tell you that canada doesn't win the bronze without him. it's not even close. he's a risky, yet special player. there are just so many things that i've seen him bring to the table that if he goes in the draft where central scouting has him ranked, some team will have a total steal. honestly, for anyone trying to pick apart his game, those who boost him can always answer with the fact that he is the only d-man in the history of the u-18's to lead the tournament in scoring. quite an accomplishment from quite a player.

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Has now led the U17's and U18's in scoring, probably the only D-man that has accomplished or will accomplish this. Pretty crazy actually!

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Has now led the U17's and U18's in scoring, probably the only D-man that has accomplished or will accomplish this. Pretty crazy actually!
Wonder where Ryan Murphy fits into that. He must've been close, you would think.

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Wonder where Ryan Murphy fits into that. He must've been close, you would think.
Murphy's 2011 tournament (13 pts) was more points than Dumba scored in 2012 (12 pts) but wasn't close to leading the tournament in scoring.

The 2011 Scoring leaders were Kucherov with an incredible 21 points in 7 games, Grigorenko with 18 in 7, and then a group tied at 13 which included Murray.

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Murphy's 2011 tournament (13 pts) was more points than Dumba scored in 2012 (12 pts) but wasn't close to leading the tournament in scoring.

The 2011 Scoring leaders were Kucherov with an incredible 21 points in 7 games, Grigorenko with 18 in 7, and then a group tied at 13 which included Murray.
Ahh yes, that's right.

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Seemed like he played well today. He got burned on one of Russias goals but on the bigger ice surface things like this will happen. Now the open ice hit that he received a 10 misconduct for was a joke of a penalty. If this is the what he brings to big games I am all for it. Isles have enough safe defensive players to help him out. I want some action!
They do? Who besides Hamonic?

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They do? Who besides Hamonic?
Apparently De Haan and Donovan are guarantees.

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Apparently De Haan and Donovan are guarantees.
deHaan I think will be a good offensive Dman, Donovon I think will be a good two way guy but I wouldnt put them in "safe defensive player" catagory. I mean Mayfield and Pedan might fill that catagory in 2-3 or more years, MacDonald is a decent two way guy, Striet not really. I just dont see the "have enough safe defensive players to help him out" that others apparently see.

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deHaan I think will be a good offensive Dman, Donovon I think will be a good two way guy but I wouldnt put them in "safe defensive player" catagory. I mean Mayfield and Pedan might fill that catagory in 2-3 or more years, MacDonald is a decent two way guy, Striet not really. I just dont see the "have enough safe defensive players to help him out" that others apparently see.
I disagree - I think de Haan plays a safe game, not an offensive game. His positioning against the rush looks quite good. But the Islander's problem isn't defending the rush, it's defending the dump and chase/cycle. Everyone except Hamonic shares this problem.

Can anyone tell us how is Dumba performs in those situations?

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What I meant was the Isles dont have any dynamic offensive defensman. Hamonic comes close. Also, when was the last time the Isles had a presence on the blue line that teams were afraid to get hit by? I would say Kasperitis. That, is a long time ago. We need some toughness and someone that gives a *****!

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In my opinion, Dumba should be a coveted player come draft day. He is going to be tremendous on the power play. At worst, a team could play him all two-minutes of the powerplay, and limit his 5-5 ice time.

I don't think he's a top 3 player, but I could see any team taking him at 4-7.

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Another thing that most people dont realize is that the kid wears his heart on his sleeve. I love that, there are less and less of those players in the NHL these days.

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