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Penner will definetely get a 2nd rounder plus next year. 25-30+ goal scorers aren't traded for beans. Kovalchuk and Hossa were both 1st rounders plus significant other pieces. Penner wouldn't get as much on top of the first (if anything), but honestly, if he doesn't get a first or equivalent, he isn't being traded, he fits in on Edmonton, we don't need to move him.
And I've heard you spout this "Penner is lazy and awful defensively crap" for a very long time, and you are still wrong about it. I'm not going to argue with you on those parts of Penner's game, you obviously either don't watch him play, or don't understand anything beyond EA Sports hockey.
I've never said he was crap defensively but I have said he was lazy and inconsistent because he has been. He had the same issues in anaheim just like he's had them in EDM. To say he's better defensively and a much better penalty killer than Frolov aid wrong. So tu must obviously not watch Frolov or understand anything beyond EA either.
So what makes someone a first liner? If you go by left wing or right wing stats penner is below thirty in each. Which means he is good enough as a right winger and good enough as a left winger to be a top line forward
i will never get it..................
Penner is a 1st lie winger. I don't know where the idea is coming from that he is not.
Scoring 30 goals on the Oilers roster is pretty impressive.
I would kill to ahve a 30+ goal scorer on Kopiatrs wing.
What keeps me away from trading is our coach.
Since Murray arrived every players creativity and scoring dropped significantly.
He would turn Penner in a 15 goal scorer instantly.
To give up a 1st plus Moller + something is simply to steep for that.
And i repeat that is not Penners fault, it is our moronic coaching staff
Just watch some players...if I compare a player like Williams with Brown...that's a day and night difference. Yet both players are capable of scoring 30 goals.
1st line players are dominant for 3/4 of the season. Even when they dont score, you have noticed them. Players like Penner and Brown you would like to see on the 4th line for several stretches in the season.
Just watch some players...if I compare a player like Williams with Brown...that's a day and night difference. Yet both players are capable of scoring 30 goals.
1st line players are dominant for 3/4 of the season. Even when they dont score, you have noticed them. Players like Penner and Brown you would like to see on the 4th line for several stretches in the season.
Penner is noticeable when not scoring. I don't watch LA as much as I watch Edmonton, but I wouldn't really call Brown invisible or say he should be a 4th liner. Are you sure it isn't that you think only Ovechkin's are 1st liners?
Just watch some players...if I compare a player like Williams with Brown...that's a day and night difference. Yet both players are capable of scoring 30 goals.
1st line players are dominant for 3/4 of the season. Even when they dont score, you have noticed them. Players like Penner and Brown you would like to see on the 4th line for several stretches in the season.
i will never get it..................
Penner is a 1st lie winger. I don't know where the idea is coming from that he is not.
Scoring 30 goals on the Oilers roster is pretty impressive.
I would kill to ahve a 30+ goal scorer on Kopiatrs wing.
What keeps me away from trading is our coach.
Since Murray arrived every players creativity and scoring dropped significantly.
He would turn Penner in a 15 goal scorer instantly.
To give up a 1st plus Moller + something is simply to steep for that.
And i repeat that is not Penners fault, it is our moronic coaching staff
Sometimes you are so far off the deep end, I dont know if you are kidding or just really dont get it.
Calling Penner an one-time 30 goal scorer is lame. He already scored 29 once and will probably hit 25+ this season. He's a sure 25 goal scorer.
Penner is not the solution, certainly not for valuable pieces like a 1st rounder/Moller. I rather pack that together for something really big.Drewiske/Muzzin have zero value. Bottom pairing defensemen, yeah like the Oilers need that.
Oh yes, Penner a better defensive player than Frolov. Frolov may be a lazy or a floater but he was gold defensively, always been.
Well and who would that be ?????????????
You people should act like the Kings have millions on options for the LW problem.
Just wait what happens when Lombardi isn't willing to pay Williams what he wants.
If Williams is leaving we are in big trouble.
The next 2 UFA's are crap for wingers and the whole league is short of scoring wingers. That mean sthe price is extremely high IF anyone is willing to part with a winger.
Let's face it. We had the chance when players like Kovalchuk, Heatley, Gaborik or Hossa came here and were asking for playing for us.
Lombardi was super smart and we have to pay the price now.
Penner is noticeable when not scoring. I don't watch LA as much as I watch Edmonton, but I wouldn't really call Brown invisible or say he should be a 4th liner. Are you sure it isn't that you think only Ovechkin's are 1st liners?
I've said what I think are 1st line players.
That's not going to change because you think otherwise or by constantly putting words in my mouth.
You know this for a fact or did you fall into the media mousetrap that the trade deadline and free agency has become.
Well i think when Lombardi and Hextall having a press conference why they decided
not to take Heatley and co and what was raising the red flags i call it a legit source.
Just dig throu the Kings Vision archives you will find the press conferences
and the speeches of Lombardi.
There are reason why i put some critics on Lombardi
CHI has 2 1st line RWers Kane and Hossa or is Hossa a 2nd liner?
CHI also has Brouwer playing on the top line. I guess that makes him a 1st liner and Hossa a 2nd liner.
Penner has been a top 2 goal scorer of his team 3 out of the last 4 years and is leading his team in scoring right now. That makes him a pretty good player.
You think he is a pretty good player I think he is a first liner. 30 left wingers in the league and he is in the 20s so in my mind he is a first liner
Just watch some players...if I compare a player like Williams with Brown...that's a day and night difference. Yet both players are capable of scoring 30 goals.
1st line players are dominant for 3/4 of the season. Even when they dont score, you have noticed them. Players like Penner and Brown you would like to see on the 4th line for several stretches in the season.
You talk like you know the oilers better then the people who have watched penner 80 times for 4 seasons. If penner is lazy this season then his other season he was comatose. You may notice every oiler fan doesnt hate him anymore, its because he plays better and when he doesnt get points he is still a beast in front of the net and automatically has two checkers when he is down low.
Before you counter with "if he is so good why is every thread trading him" because next year he becomes a ufa, he is friends with old duck players, spends part of the summer in california, just got married to a model and is one of only two good assests the oilers have that are worth anything (not including untouchables like hall obviously)
Well i think when Lombardi and Hextall having a press conference why they decided
not to take Heatley and co and what was raising the red flags i call it a legit source.
Just dig throu the Kings Vision archives you will find the press conferences
and the speeches of Lombardi.
There are reason why i put some critics on Lombardi
Having a press conference on why you decided against persuing a player and saying that player wants to play in LA are two totally different things.
We do not need one year of Penner and we do not trade our prospects for redundant pieces. Nobody is an untouchable for the right price.
I would rather trade Voinov, Muzzin, Toffoli and 1st for Magnus Paajarvi.
You should never make another trade proposal ever again
Having a press conference on why you decided against persuing a player and saying that player wants to play in LA are two totally different things.
Well....... the Kings were on Heatleys list, Hossa's and Gaborik's agends came directly to our office and all of us know the Kovalchuk story.
Don't put that on me, Lombardi is in charge here.
Just dig a little bit through the history and you will find that Lombardi created the holes we have on his own and that we had the chances to fill 'em.
Believe me, just hating is easy. I usually back up where my mouth is.
Well....... the Kings were on Heatleys list, Hossa's and Gaborik's agends came directly to our office and all of us know the Kovalchuk story.
Don't put that on me, Lombardi is in charge here.
Just dig a little bit through the history and you will find that Lombardi created the holes we have on his own and that we had the chances to fill 'em.
Believe me, just hating is easy. I usually back up where my mouth is.
Exactly my point. The thing I hate about HFBOARDS. Rumor swirls around and people talk about it redundanctly with very little knowledge of the situation or piece together assummptions based off of half-truths... 2 years later that is fact.
I am not new to the board. I know the things that have been said and know the stuff that has been insinuated. I dont like when people take rumor and 2 years later state it as fact. I never one time heard Heatley, Kovi, Chara, Elias, Drury, Gomez, Hossa, Gaborik or any other player come out and say they wanted to play in LA. I heard alot of rumors.... I heard alot of chatter.... I never heard any player or agent say this. The only player I can think that ever said that publicly was Drew Douhgty around draft time.
Lombardi definately has made mistakes and things to be blamed for... but to pin this type of stuff on him is not as factual as you make it out to be.
Edit: The only time stuff like this gets out is when agents are playing teams against each other... not Lombardi's fault.
Frolov may be a lazy or a floater but he was gold defensively, always been.
