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02-08-2011, 03:00 PM
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***The Official Powerplay Discussion/Complaining Thread***

With discussion about the powerplay popping up in numerous threads, I thought this thread would be a more organized way to discuss this abomination from the seventh layer of hell.

So,

- What do you think we need to help fix the powerplay
- What type of player would help
- What kind of combination's would put out there
- What kind of system would you use

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they have the pieces already,in my opinion.they just need to shoot the damn puck more,from any angle,stop passing so much when in the zone,get some guys in front of the net and bombs away.

eta:and hit the damn net guys,especially you,Del Zotto.


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02-08-2011, 03:34 PM
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No more 3 forwards 2 defensemen, go with 4 F 1 D (even though we've been doing that recently).

Prospal-Gaborik-Wolski-Cally-Gilroy

Dubi-Zucc-Anismov-Boyle/Christiensen-Girardi

No Prust, Avery, Staal, or Drury

Leave the same group of guys out there for more than 1 game and hope they develop chemistry.

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Wolski-Prospal-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Del Zotto

Put Gaborik and Prospal in front of net.

Have Wolski around the boards.

Put Del Zotto and Dubinsky on the blue line.

(I bet that is worse than every other PP line idea here )

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02-08-2011, 04:13 PM
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we need to stop switching lines and let this team build chemistry.

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we need to stop switching lines and let this team build chemistry.
I'm sure if the players had a problem with it, and thought they couldn't develop chemistry, they'd say something about it.

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once feds gets back****
Feds Boyle Prust
McDonagh Sauer

Why don't we just call Redden up if we need a veteran PP QB

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I'm sure if the players had a problem with it, and thought they couldn't develop chemistry, they'd say something about it.
I'm pretty sure earlier in the year Gaborik said something. It was one of the quotes on a GDT.

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They need to move their F-ING feet.

If they are lucky enough to set up they all stay in the same place. They are not forcing the defensemen to make decisions. They simply set up pass the puck back and forth and turn it over.

There is very little cutting to the net, there are no moving picks. Occasionally the D is sneaking in looking for the back door but it is so rare and often results in an odd man rush

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Stop the dump and chase... it never works.

Shoot the puck... on the 5 on 3 yesterday, they passed back and forth and never shot the puck.


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Ice your normal lines (whatever that is!) and attack the offensive zone as if it is even strength.

Hey look! Someone is open! pass it to him.

Cycle, pass, pass, shoot.

Our problem is indecision, too much thinking, weak passing.

Play like it's even strength. Someone should be open. Skate with the puck, look for a seam and pass or shoot when one opens up.

Weak passing has been the killer. It's just feeble.

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Yellow = Zuccarello
Blue = Staal
White = Prospal
Black = Gaborik
Red = Girardi/Del Zotto/Anyone with a left handed shot willing to fire the puck on net.

Arrows obviously constitute movements the player could make.

For example: Zuccarello has the puck on the half-boards, moves down towards Prospal. Prospal sneaks behind the net and sets up at the post for potential slam dunk. Gaborik moves towards the Blue line to set up a passing lane for a one timer. Red player moves down from the point and sneaks in back door. Staal moves towards the middle of the ice in case of turnover.

I don't know, the key on the power play is movement and shots.

I also think instead of having Zuccarello/Wolski/Stepan on the point they should be on the half boards running the PP from there. Setting up point men for one timers, once the defenders start shooting the opponents will have to respect the threat from the point and that will open up more down low.

Just thoughts.

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Here's my take on it:

Too much thinking, not enough reacting. We're trying to make too many fancy plays, we need to make more of the simple plays. Move the puck, shoot the puck, pass the puck. No dangling through defenders, forcing shots that aren't there, and dumping it in. Drive through the middle, force the passing lanes to open up, instead of expecting them to open up on their own.

This is how I would set it up(thanks Silverfish for the idea):



Gaborik = Red
Staal = Black
Gilroy = Yellowish gold
Dubinsky = Powder blue
Zuccarello = green

Gaborik is set up in the slot, waiting for the shot to come to him. Dubinsky will work down low to try and open up some space in front of the net, as well as Zuccs, who will be the primary playmaker for Gaborik on this particular setup. You have Staal in the middle for the big shot to the net, and Gilroy on the offwing to make plays and get one timers.

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Does anyone think a simple umbrella power play might be the best option for this team? Are there any NHL teams that play an umbrella? Or is it too easy to defend against?

MDZ on the point. Gaborik on the right side so he is on his off wing. Our most talented right hand shot on the left side (I don't know who has a right hand shot). Boyle and Dubinsky/Callahan down low.

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If it were up to me, I'd try

Dubi - Boyle - Gaborik
Staal - MDZ

with a second group of

Wolski - Prospal - Callahan
MZA - Girardi

Put Boyle in front of the net when his group is out and make sure he knows what the do there. Make him work on screening Biron in practice and deflecting shots from Staal or MDZ toward net. . I'm not sure that they aren't already doing this or haven't tried it, but he needs to go through the motions over and over and perfect his form. Screening a goalie right is an art.

Watch other successful PPs too. I saw a red wings game the other night where they were moving the puck insanely well on the PP. Watch that for example, see what the strategy is, figure out why they are passing to who they they are passing to when they do.

I personally don't think the perfect slap shot from the point is a must. Staal and or MDZ (if he can ever hit the net) are good enough. There are countless ways to score on the PP - you don't bring a player in just to potentially help one strategy work. That reminds me - make MDZ shoot at the empty net from the blue line until he can do it backwards with his eyes closed. There is NO reason to miss the net so much.

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Does anyone think a simple umbrella power play might be the best option for this team? Are there any NHL teams that play an umbrella? Or is it too easy to defend against?

MDZ on the point. Gaborik on the right side so he is on his off wing. Our most talented right hand shot on the left side (I don't know who has a right hand shot). Boyle and Dubinsky/Callahan down low.
I thought about this also. I'm not sure if anyone does it these days but I remember the Thrashers running one with Kovy that looked pretty good whenever I saw it.

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i just came here to vent about how much our PP sucks. its ridiculous. as to quote Jagr during a slump while he was with us "It's not funny anymore."

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Not only on the Powerplay, but how come this hasn't been done yet?

WW-Dubi-Gaborik

Can this be done with already and call it our top line for now?

Prospal is not ready yet, give him until the trade deadline to determine if he can get his legs under him and play with Gabby.

Stepan is too young and not good enough on draws to play with the top line, plus him and zuccarello have something going.

Artie is still learning the offensive side of the puck and Boyle isn't a distributer.

Wolski is the best playmaking LW we have and Dubi is the best player we have at entering the zone carrying the puck.

Does this make too much sense, or is it just me?

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Not only on the Powerplay, but how come this hasn't been done yet?

WW-Dubi-Gaborik

Can this be done with already and call it our top line for now?

Prospal is not ready yet, give him until the trade deadline to determine if he can get his legs under him and play with Gabby.

Stepan is too young and not good enough on draws to play with the top line, plus him and zuccarello have something going.

Artie is still learning the offensive side of the puck and Boyle isn't a distributer.

Wolski is the best playmaking LW we have and Dubi is the best player we have at entering the zone carrying the puck.

Does this make too much sense, or is it just me?
I'm against putting Dubi back at center.

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I really don't think we need any personell changes to make the powerplay more productive, a couple of things need to be changed to give the players/team the ability to be successful

-find a way to cleanly get the puck into the zone, guys need to be streaking up the neutral zone diagonally when the qb is coming up no more of everyone going straight into the zone,its not hard to defend and leads to turnovers or dump ins which leads me to my next point

- dumps ins need to be the last ditch effort, dumping the puck in leads to either 50/50 pucks which can easily lead to a defensive dump out of the zone , or boardplay(next point) neither of which are favorable

- cut the boardplay ********, I get it this team likes to be gritty and we have the size to play the boards BUT boardplay is probably the worst way to create offense, occasionally you'll get a good set up in front but on the powerplay it wastes time and with seamingly no pure finishers on this team doesn't lead to many goals, so no more of that crap on the powerplay, plus it wastes at least 20 seconds each time and we can't afford to waste time on the pp

- this one shouldnt even be an issue idk why it is but put players with their stick hand to the inside of the ice, you cannot get off a quick shot with your stick to the boards, by the time you receive a pass cleanly or go from backhand to forehand to shoot the defender is on the guy or on the ice to block the coming shot, gaborik is not going to score from the left side (goalies right) he's a lefty, he has a great shot(or had?) and needs to be able to rip that shot in an instant right off the pass.

-open up the ice, the defenseman should be standing about a foot in from the blue line and close to the boards, the lower guys should be down low a couple feet up from goal line, this spreads out the defense, makes shooting easier and opens up better passing lanes

- point guys needs to start setting up one timers, del zotto had about 5 shots yesterday all of which were either wrist shots while fading away from the net or slap shots while standing up. Guys need to start stepping into shots to get more power

Dubi-Boyle-gaborik
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MZA-anisimov-prospal
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One thing that's bugged me is the way they dump in the puck. They shoot it around so either the goalie stops it and they clear it or one of their guys gets it halfway up the halfboards and is able to clear it easily. When you dump it in, dump it to the corner so the goalie can't get to it and it's tough for them to clear. Also make sure you get hang time on it so you can get there. Simple things like that would help.

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I basically decided to use RH/LH setups, I don't necessarily like who is out there, but the Rangers don't have many truly skilled right handed powerforwards/snipes. Most of the roster happens to be left-handed, and I think that's partially the reason why we pursued Frolov this past off season. He's a right handed sniper, something we lack.

Also, they REALLY NEED TO LEARN ONE TIMERS for most PP formations to work. I believe Staal tried a few yesterday.


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Option 1: Cut the perimeter ****. There's too much outside, not enough inside and behind the net. We set up the point as if we have Weber back there. We should be utilizing strengths, not weaknesses. I wanna see Boyle in front, some centers behind the net, shots from the wing. Everything seems to always go to the point first. We do alot of this even strength and it generates lots of chances, so why would change it and suddenly start going to the point just because we're a man up is beyond me.

Option 2: Invite Steve Yzerman to a housewarming party, and slip a hallucinogen into his drink when he's not looking, then trade Drury and Redden for Stamkos.

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This topic is the number one most important aspect of our team that needs fixing. NO team is going to excel in the playoffs without their special teams contributing. No matter how much we love our team this year (I know I do) or how much they battle and use their grit, come playoff time they aren't going to come out on top if they can't capitalize on 5 on 3's and traditional 5 on 4's.

I've never seen such a horrible power play in all my years as a Rangers fan. It boggles my mind.

I mean, I thought our PP has been horrible for years now. Every year I sit and wonder why they're so bad and how to fix it etc. But this year takes the cake. I feel almost NO sense of "let's go! woohoo!" when a penalty is called on the opposition. That's how bad it's gotten. I feel like the following 2 minutes will be nothing more than a waste of time if not an opportunity for the opposing team to score. I miss that feeling of "let's do it!" that you're supposed to get when you know you're about to start a PP. Now? Just dead inside.

So what the heck should be done? I have no idea. How exactly can a group of professional hockey players be that consistently bad on the PP? I mean of course, there are always gonna be special teams slumps etc. But you would think after a certain period of time had gone by, that the coaches and players would've figured out what tweaks are necessary to get it back on track. Obviously, that's not happening here.

So how could it go on this long yet still not have improved an iota? Mike Sullivan is a smart guy and good coach. Why isn't he able to turn this around? How hard can it be to watch the top PP teams and see what they're doing and how they're doing it, and then just practice the mother ****ing **** out of it until it becomes second nature?

Ack, I just don't get it. You have an extra man on the ice. How hard can it be to come up with some sort of efficient strategy that gets the puck to the damn net???

I love this team. I mean, I friggin LOVE this team. But we aren't going anywhere unless we learn how to be a PP threat. If we can just figure that out, or figure out a way before the deadline to get a PP specialist, then I think it'll be a fun spring. If we continue to fail in such a way as to be consistently embarrassing, well, then, if we make it to the playoffs at all we probably won't make it past the first round.

Please, if there is a god, let something happen that makes our PP something you want to watch for 2 minutes instead of something you fast forward through...

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The PP lines in practice right now...

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Staal-Wolski/Callahan-Prospal-Gaborik

Del Zotto-Stepan/Dubinsky-Anisimov-Zuccarello

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