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06-28-2004, 07:56 PM
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I know it's not hockey related, but there is just over a half hour left to vote for those in Alberta...

Get out there folks!

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Liberals out to a huge lead so far... 39 seats so far. However, they are not projected to have a majority yet.

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Go Liberals...

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Liberals out to a huge lead so far... 39 seats so far. However, they are not projected to have a majority yet.
The P.C.'s don't sit well for the Atlantic provinces, they are usually Liberal or NDP, and it isn't suprising that the Liberals (at last I heard) had 25 of 32 seats.

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Liberals won. Boo YAH!!!

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Were the Liberals the 'Green' party?

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OMG. I don't even want to respond to that. I really hope you're joking.

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Were the Liberals the 'Green' party?
They are totally unrelated, since they disagree on most issues.

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Whats truly scary is the amount of people who actually believe the Liberal rhetoric.

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This is sick. Most of you people consider yourself ALbertans????? Now if Martin can lie through his back side about Harper, and pull out things like being a conservative isn't Canadian - then I can certainly say with confidence that being a Liberal isn't Albertan (it sickens me that both Liberal seats are in Edmonton area as well).

You're right guymez... it is scary how sheepish some people (mainly in B.C. and in Ontario) can be to believe those pitiful scare tactics the Liberals used. What saddens me is that they actually worked.... I thought higher of people in Canada then this.

We truely do need to secede from this joke of a confederation that sees everybody west of Ontario simply voting to determine a minimal ballance of power. Now, I know I'll probably be in the great minority on this board as it is often that internet communities are left leaning in politics, but the idea that we give more then anybody to confederation in Alberta, yet don't recieve the say we are due must not equate to anybody with common sense.

Oh well... the government probably won't last through early 2006 thankfully.

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I wouldn't defend Paul Martin for a second, but I can't believe that people would want to vote for a right-wing maniac like Steven Harper. Cutting taxes would lower revenues, yet he wants to increase spending on our professional murder squad, which would create a deficit on par with the one which was carried in the 80s, which would cause even more inflation. Not to mention his planned violations of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms...

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This is sick. Most of you people consider yourself ALbertans????? Now if Martin can lie through his back side about Harper, and pull out things like being a conservative isn't Canadian - then I can certainly say with confidence that being a Liberal isn't Albertan (it sickens me that both Liberal seats are in Edmonton area as well).

You're right guymez... it is scary how sheepish some people (mainly in B.C. and in Ontario) can be to believe those pitiful scare tactics the Liberals used. What saddens me is that they actually worked.... I thought higher of people in Canada then this.

We truely do need to secede from this joke of a confederation that sees everybody west of Ontario simply voting to determine a minimal ballance of power. Now, I know I'll probably be in the great minority on this board as it is often that internet communities are left leaning in politics, but the idea that we give more then anybody to confederation in Alberta, yet don't recieve the say we are due must not equate to anybody with common sense.

Oh well... the government probably won't last through early 2006 thankfully.
I share your frustration thome_26. Their tactics were disgusting and dishonest, but the Liberals have a knack for playing politics to influence the gullable vote. Probably explains why they have been in power since 1993.

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What can I say, once again people run scared into the waiting arms of the reds. It's really pathetic when people can't make up their minds to choose FOR something so they react in fear for no apparent reason. Too bad we couldn't wipe McLellan and Kilgour out too, but we came close.

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That would be great.

A sea of orange...

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A country gets the government it deserves IMO.

Professional murder squad? What are you referring to?

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Military. Sorry, I'm a bit touchy about that one. I didn't mean anything personal by it, I just think that the only purpose it currently serves is a terribly immoral one.

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Military. Sorry, I'm a bit touchy about that one. I didn't mean anything personal by it, I just think that the only purpose it currently serves is a terribly immoral one.
Understood...but also understand that previously serving in the military for 8 years might give me a slightly different view. Working as an electronics technician certainly didn't feel like being a member of a professional murder squad, unless you count circuit cards.

I'm sure when forest fires were running rampant in BC, or when the flood waters were all over Manitoba, or when some rich kid's sailboat has capsized around Vancouver Island and the closest boat was the one I was on...I would submit that the military's work in cases like these wasn't remotely close to 'terribly immoral'.

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I voted for green party

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I happen to agree with you about the examples you cited. However, I don't think we need a heavily armed group who are trained to kill in order to do those things. Obviously these are things which need doing, but I would prefer a group which existed as an emergency rescue group exclusively, as opposed to doing that when they aren't doing the more standard military activities.

I phrased what I said poorly, I supposed. My reference to immorality was aimed at more traditional military activity, which I cannot in good concience support. Outside of the warfare, our military does some very good things, but I submit that these things could be done in a less expensive and less morally questionable way by an organization which doesn't involve weapons and violence. And my apologies if I offended you personally. It was certainly not my intention.

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It's interesting what Preston Manning said on Global during election coverage tonight. After the Liberal minority was predicted, he repeatedly mentioned that the problem will lie in western alienation. Same old, same old, I know, but he added a new twist by saying that the West will be angry at the East for voting a 'scandal-tainted' government into power when they could have voted for a new alternative. Something like that.

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Military. Sorry, I'm a bit touchy about that one. I didn't mean anything personal by it, I just think that the only purpose it currently serves is a terribly immoral one.
So Canadas main role as a peacekeeper is immoral? Interesting perspective.All Harper said he wanted to do was give them a means to at least get to an area of strife without hitching a ride on a US aircraft carrier and of course the liberal d**ks ran with it.

What I'm thinking is pretty immoral is a Prime Minister that wouldnt vote for tougher laws against child pornography,backed a gun registry that was supposed to cost $200 million but now stands at $2 billion and hasnt accomplished squat,and shrugged of 100's of millions of misappropriated funds.

Left wing,apathetic,overtaxed Canada gets exactly the government they deserve.God forbid we would ever want to change.

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I wouldn't defend Paul Martin for a second, but I can't believe that people would want to vote for a right-wing maniac like Steven Harper. Cutting taxes would lower revenues, yet he wants to increase spending on our professional murder squad, which would create a deficit on par with the one which was carried in the 80s, which would cause even more inflation. Not to mention his planned violations of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms...

Yeah cutting taxes would be awful wouldn't it? God forbid I get to keep a little more of the money I earn as opposed to sending up to Ottawa so some Liberal elite can pay his consulting buddy a big fat contract for providing some dreamed up scheme.

Cut Taxes then cut out Liberal waste programs, simple equation for a balanced budget.

Spend more on the military so Canada can stop being the biggest freeloader nation in NATO. We stand by and laud our social programs while the Americans have to spend Trillions of $ on military expenditures so that the Russians, Islamo Fascists (whomever pick the oppresive regime of the day) don't run roughshod over the planet, and then as a nation we have the gaul to call Americans '********'. Nice country, someday soon this country is going to bust at the seems.

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OK, to begin with, I am NOT a Liberal supporter, but I would like to point out that tougher child pornography laws would not have made a difference in that case, as what happened was against current statues anyway.

I can't morally support military action. I just can't fathom voluntarily investing my money in weapons.

For the last point, I don't see how you can say the Liberals are left wing. They are a centre-right party who are trying desperately to appear left wing, but I suppose they do appear left when compared to the extreme right. I know that my leftist views are not popular in this part of the country, but they won't change. I just don't want anyone mixing up the Liberal party with the left wing.

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OK, to begin with, I am NOT a Liberal supporter, but I would like to point out that tougher child pornography laws would not have made a difference in that case, as what happened was against current statues anyway.

I can't morally support military action. I just can't fathom voluntarily investing my money in weapons.

For the last point, I don't see how you can say the Liberals are left wing. They are a centre-right party who are trying desperately to appear left wing, but I suppose they do appear left when compared to the extreme right. I know that my leftist views are not popular in this part of the country, but they won't change. I just don't want anyone mixing up the Liberal party with the left wing.
LIberals are whatever they have to be to stay in power which is why I think they and anyone who supports them is a huge boob.All one needs do is look at their last 8 years of power to see multitudes of reasons for giving them the boot.

Quite possibly your biggest fear is having money to spend.

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I happen to agree with you about the examples you cited. However, I don't think we need a heavily armed group who are trained to kill in order to do those things. Obviously these are things which need doing, but I would prefer a group which existed as an emergency rescue group exclusively, as opposed to doing that when they aren't doing the more standard military activities.

I phrased what I said poorly, I supposed. My reference to immorality was aimed at more traditional military activity, which I cannot in good concience support. Outside of the warfare, our military does some very good things, but I submit that these things could be done in a less expensive and less morally questionable way by an organization which doesn't involve weapons and violence. And my apologies if I offended you personally. It was certainly not my intention.
No worries. I just wanted to hear your reasoning.

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