No Hab was attacked the way Talbot was; this could have been a Bertuzzi type of agression if Max got hurt
And there is also that Isle who hit the Pens player from behind and then started to throw a punches at him while he was down
And then you have Godard who left the bench.
So everyone , please stop complaining because the NHL fined the Isles and not the B's
You may be right. These situation are different if you look at the results and the type of plays that started them. The Bruins weren't as guilty of breaking the major rules the the Isles were.
I wasn't looking for fines or suspensions for the B's players, but certainly one for Julien. He knew what he was doing, looking to exact revenge for the Kreji thing. There is a rule in place for this.
If the leagues reason for fining the players involved in the Isles/Pens game was that they overtly broke rules specifically designed to curb fighting, then they can't ignore what Julien did.
Whether or not it is a conspiracy is irrelevant. By employing Campbells' father as league disciplinarian the NHL has set up a situation by which there will always be doubt about any disciplinary decisions involving the Bruins. It's human nature. There have been other instances this year where a Bruins player(s) could be seen as avoiding a fine or suspension that conspiracy theorists could complain about.
Do you think its a coincidence that the Isles and Pens brawled right after our game. I don't. Players watch what happens in other games. This can have an escalating effect. The Isles might have been thinking... well it happened in Boston last night and nothing happened, I wonder how much we can get away with. The same thing happens in games. Players gauge their actions by what they've seen on the ice.
Remember when Lucic hit the guy after the whistle with his glove on. In the weeks following that, that same exact scene was played out in several other games. Lucic wasn't fined or suspended, so the bar was set. Other players did it until finally someone was suspended and we haven't seen as much of it since.
I'm not whining about our treatment or preferential treatment or conspiracies. Everything may very well be above board. Unfortunately because of the GIANT conflict of interest in the NHLl head office suspicion will always be present regarding any decisions involving the Boston Bruins, and subsequently any decisions involving other teams or players who do similar actions.
The Refs did a poor job at officiating. Surprise, surprise. What else is new?
The NHL did however completely miss out on giving out suspensions and fines.
I don't care if there was nothing blatant. There wasn't a head being slashed by a stick. That doesn't mean you can't suspend McQuaid for trying to start crap with MaxPac, that clearly didn't want to partake, with 30sec left. You can fine Julien for the way he let his players go nuts. They can suspend Campbell for punching Pyatt with his elbow pads.
I don't see why the NHL fined the Islanders but not the Bruins.
The reason is very clear. The Isles were premeditated. They wanted revenge for Dipetro being out and what not. Just like how the Bertuzzi incident was premeditated. The NHL doesn't want to condone that type of behaviour.
There was no revenge aspect to Boston beating us up. Therefore no reason for any suspensions. Men should be able to take a beat and pick themselves up and get back to work without whining.
We got beat up, who cares, suck it up and move on. Look at how all the Montreal fans are reacting to Lupul today. They are all making fun of him because he complained.
By sitting here and complaining we got beat up but the NHL didn't protect us, makes us look like whiny smurfs. We don't need the NHL to protect us. The NHL didn't protect the Rocket but he fought his own battles.
I expect my team to fight their own battles. I don't want Bettmen protecting us. I like it when players like Cammy step up and protect themselves, thats hockey. People will think twice before they cheap shot Cammy now.
While I agree about Thornton, perhaps Campbell's elbow pad was stuck. I mean, at what point does a fight stop briefly like this;
Campbell: "Oh excuse me Sir, my elbow pad seems to be getting in the way." Pyatt: "Why jolly good, you noticed!" Campbell: "Please excuse me, I'll just take that off before I continue to cave your face in." Pyatt: "Why thank you, kind Sir!"
While it stayed on, I do remember seeing him shake his arm, as if he was trying to get it to come off. If it didn't, then it was probably stuck, or the velcro was firmly grasping onto the fibres of the jersey.
But yes, the whole situation could have been avoided, had the hit by Marchand on Wiz AFTER the whistle was blown for an icing call been called as a penalty. That was just brutal that they missed that.
Actually I was referring to Marchand's hook on Hamrlik that sent him dangerously into the boards. It was clearly a hook (except to the ref) and Hamrlik never even touched the puck.
What's done is done but I agree with another poster that if a player makes a solid and legal hit against another then he or his teammates should not have to worry about dirty retaliation or having to fight. I guess my opinion is go hit the other teams' players with your own solid and legal hits.
Marchand was clearly on a mission to retaliate for what he thought was a dirty hit from Subban during the last game. I thought Subban's hit was clean but Marchand's "hits" were both extremely dirty and left two of the Habs' d-men in very prone positions. Had a penalty been called on Marchand the outcome may have been different.
Having said that I'd like to Wiz and/or Hamrlik knock the snot out of Marchand and/or his teammates with clean, solid bodychecks next game.
The reason is very clear. The Isles were premeditated. They wanted revenge for Dipetro being out and what not. Just like how the Bertuzzi incident was premeditated. The NHL doesn't want to condone that type of behaviour.
There was no revenge aspect to Boston beating us up. Therefore no reason for any suspensions. Men should be able to take a beat and pick themselves up and get back to work without whining.
We got beat up, who cares, suck it up and move on. Look at how all the Montreal fans are reacting to Lupul today. They are all making fun of him because he complained.
By sitting here and complaining we got beat up but the NHL didn't protect us, makes us look like whiny smurfs. We don't need the NHL to protect us. The NHL didn't protect the Rocket but he fought his own battles.
I expect my team to fight their own battles. I don't want Bettmen protecting us. I like it when players like Cammy step up and protect themselves, thats hockey. People will think twice before they cheap shot Cammy now.
Euh, no one said we should complaint.. the NHL should take on the matter themselves.
Do you think its a coincidence that the Isles and Pens brawled right after our game. I don't. Players watch what happens in other games. This can have an escalating effect. The Isles might have been thinking... well it happened in Boston last night and nothing happened, I wonder how much we can get away with. The same thing happens in games. Players gauge their actions by what they've seen on the ice.
I was thinking the same after watching the Isles -Pens brawl
Looks like the NHL liked the fan's response to the Boston-Montreal game
I`m trying to figure out what in h### the difference is, between what happened to the Pens compared to what happened to the Habs ? The Pens were jumped by a premeditated Islander team and beat up. Well the exact same thing happened to the Habs by the Bruins ! The Islanders were given fines and suspensions. The premeditated dirty ********** Bruins were handed nothing and the media just blew it off saying it was "OLDTIME HOCKEY." Is there a double standard by the league and the media ? Or is it because their GM had the B###s to make a statement ?
I`m trying to figure out what in h### the difference is, between what happened to the Pens compared to what happened to the Habs ? The Pens were jumped by a premeditated Islander team and beat up. Well the exact same thing happened to the Habs by the Bruins ! The Islanders were given fines and suspensions. The premeditated dirty ********** Bruins were handed nothing and the media just blew it off saying it was "OLDTIME HOCKEY." Is there a double standard by the league and the media ? Or is it because their GM had the B###s to make a statement ?
The game wasn't that dirty, it was a typical good old Habs vs Bruins. The islanders had planned that for a while and even called up some goons the day of that game, the Bruins players are roster players and can also play some hockey unlike Gillies and martin from the Islanders.
Also Lemieux isn't a GM and to me looks like a big you know what having some of the dirtiest players in the league on his team, (Cooke, Ruutu) and he is the one signing their checks!
Lemieux is simply a hypocrite. But I'll leave it at that, since the topic is on the difference of two teams and two games.
Looking at the game itself, the Islanders/Pens one was just so much dirtier then Habs/Bruins. First off, Gillies head-hunted, made contact with Tangradi and after smashing his head into the glass, started to pummel him. That right there, is intent to injure. Afterwards, he was taunting and yelling at him. The suspension was well deserved. Haley went after Talbot and it was all pre-meditated, so the suspension was deserved as well. The ten game suspension for leaving the bench is automatic. I think the Pens could have been fined like the Islanders were, but am not angry that they didn't. The only thing I would have added was a one game suspension to Bylsma for losing control of his bench.
Habs/Bruins, the only real suspensions I could have seen was Marchand's late hit on Wiz after an icing call, and McQuaid's attempt to fight with less then 30 seconds to play in the game. Other then that, it was good old time hockey.
You guys can`t tell me that wasn`t part of their plan. After the game is "in hand" "beat every Hab player you can get your hands on." Is exactly what I watched. Bruins were frustrated because the previous game they had blown and they hadn`t beat the Habs in 5 trys. I don`t care if they used roster players the Habs were jumped and GOONED and there should have been fines and/or suspensions.
The game wasn't that dirty, it was a typical good old Habs vs Bruins. The islanders had planned that for a while and even called up some goons the day of that game, the Bruins players are roster players and can also play some hockey unlike Gillies and martin from the Islanders.
Also Lemieux isn't a GM and to me looks like a big you know what having some of the dirtiest players in the league on his team, (Cooke, Ruutu) and he is the one signing their checks!
I could agree with most of this, but Mcquaid going after patches in the last minutes of the game should have garnered a suspension.
The Islanders did it in retaliation from another game. The Bruins and Habs got involved due to the game getting feisty.
Bull. The Bruins came in knowing full well what they're plan was. As soon as they knew the game was out of reach all the crap started. The habs basically got beaten up for being better than the Bruins over the last, well, forever. What the Isles did was lame and im not defending it, but at least the pens gave them a tiny reason to do what they did. The habs did nothing and still got bullied by the Bruins.
I know there were no suspendable actions done by the Bruins, but I still think the organization should at least been fined.
The retaliation aspect was very minor in our game against the Bruins. The retaliation aspect was major in the PIT-NYI game. That's the main difference. It seems the NHL doesn't have a problem with bad blood, but they have a problem with retaliation acts to what happened in a prior game.
Also, while some of our players were forced to fight, none were attacked the way Talbot and Tangradi were. Huge difference there as well.
I would have liked some instigator penalties on the B's side, especially for Campbell and his elbow-pad job, but we know how that goes. As for the PIT-NYI game, discipline was absolutely necessary.
Bull. The Bruins came in knowing full well what they're plan was. As soon as they knew the game was out of reach all the crap started. The habs basically got beaten up for being better than the Bruins over the last, well, forever. What the Isles did was lame and im not defending it, but at least the pens gave them a tiny reason to do what they did. The habs did nothing and still got bullied by the Bruins.
I know there were no suspendable actions done by the Bruins, but I still think the organization should at least been fined.
Any Habs team/ player going into Boston and thinking it's going to be one good clean hockey game is crazy! I'm sure the guys knew this would happen especially the way the last game finished here with the Pacioretty shove and the Subban smirk. Not saying the Bruins were right, but I'm sure the Habs knew it would have been a real long night for them
This is actually an interesting question. I actually believe that the intent of both teams (islanders and bruins) was the same, to go out and beat the crap out of the other team because of the previous game. I just think that the Bruins went about it in a much smarter way--where it wasn't so obvious a vendetta thing. But Julien (through Neely i guess) pulled all the strings so that a smaller team who suck in fights would have to defend themselves or turtle, all game long. I actually don't think the Habs aren't a physical team; we're just not a team that revels in starting fights and being dirty. The bruins went into that game with the mentality that win or lose, they were going to beat people up. The Habs i think were ready for a physical game, just not one where they had to fight after every whistle. And the Bruins clearly were out for blood, not just lots of fights. While Pouliot and Price clearly could have destroyed their opponents but held up, Campbell, Ference and Boychuk went the extra mile to really hurt their opponents.
In the Islanders/penguins game, it was just too blatantly bad what happened. Martin jumping Talbot was ridiculous. Haley going to fight Johnson was just hilariously bad. It was just a case where one team did a better a job than the other at hiding the fact that they wanted to settle a score. That's why the Bruins looked like kings after their game, and alternatively the Islanders looked like goons.
Also, none of the Habs got Bertuzzied. The Habs-Bruins game was a goonfest, the Pens-Isles was a disgrace to humanity.
But the Isles-Pens game got out of hand because nothing was done about the previous brawl.
There should of been at minimum a fine to the Julien, it was bad enough that the brawl took place but when McQuaid then comes out and tries attacking Pacioretty that is on Julien's head. Fine him $100,000 and he will be more careful on controlling his team in the future.
There is no doubt there was "retaliation" in the Habs - Bruins game. Rewind to last game where Subban crunches Marchand and Pacioretty taps Chara.
What events unfolded during the most recent game? First Marchand runs/hooks Hamrlik into the boards. Marchand runs Wiz after an icing. Chara and another Bruin jumped Pacioretty during the first line brawl. Chara chops Pacioretty's legs. McQuaid jumps Pacioretty in the closing moments. Bruins were after Subban all night.
Pouliot decks Krejic who thought he could settle a score. Price entertainingly took down Thomas who couldn't settle a score. Ference then thought he'd start a new party and chopped Plekanec's legs. Moen then got the best of Ference who cheap shotted after they were down. By that time Thornton, Campbell and Boychuk were chomping at the bit and saw who the opponents were. The rest is history.
I don't know if I'd call "retaliation" the difference in the two games. Spacek did not want to fight - look at the replay. Boychuk punched him five times before he had his gloves off and then he had no choice.
