"Desharnais, Pouliot and White gave us a real strong game. Some of the kids have elevated their game and are emerging."
I know its just one sentence, but Arpon is right, coming from JM it is a huge endorsement.
Well nobody else is playing hard and putting the puck in the net except the younger players lately, so I should hope he'd have something good to say about them.
If I have to watch another game with Gomez and Kostitsyn sucking, I think I'll lose it. Gomez needs to step it up BIG TIME and Kostitsyn needs to get his head in the game for the rest of the season and play huge.
If the Habs re-sign Kostitsyn at the end of the year, I will have second thoughts on remaining a fan of theirs....lol. Its a shame that we give players every opportunity to play and do their thing, but they repay us by sucking every shift.
Let's not forget Pacioretty. I think he's been our best player since being brought up to the NHL.
The only good sequence Gomez has coincides with Pacioretty being put on his wing. He went back to being mediocre as soon as they were split.
People have been saying that Pacioretty could be a good "complimentary" winger, but to me, it seems like he's the main guy responsible for his line's production.
EDIT: I wouldn't worry, Pleky. With the night Kostitsyn had against the Bruins, I would be very surprised to see him back with us next year. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see him shipped off before the deadline.
Let's not forget Pacioretty. I think he's been our best player since being brought up to the NHL.
The only good sequence Gomez has coincides with Pacioretty being put on his wing. He went back to being mediocre as soon as they were split.
People have been saying that Pacioretty could be a good "complimentary" winger, but to me, it seems like he's the main guy responsible for his line's production.
EDIT: I wouldn't worry, Pleky. With the night Kostitsyn had against the Bruins, I would be very surprised to see him back with us next year. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see him shipped off before the deadline.
You guys are funny, so in the other thread, we should send Gomez to the AHL, now trade Kostitsyn, and then the same people will criticize the organisation for not having top 6 players on our top lines, right?
Of all the rookies, only Eller is really struggling and is the only one not to have played under Cunneyworth
I changed my mind, I think Eller should be sent doen when Cammy comes back.
I think Eller should be sent down when Cammalleri comes back. Let him get top line minutes in Hamilton for a little while then to get his scoring touch and confidence back. It worked for Patches and maybe it can work for Eller.
You guys are funny, so in the other thread, we should send Gomez to the AHL, now trade Kostitsyn, and then the same people will criticize the organisation for not having top 6 players on our top lines, right?
I wasn't aware that I had asked for Gomez to be sent down. In fact, I'm pretty sure I made a post in that thread today arguing that we couldn't do this because no one else could replace him.
Kostitsyn is not top 6 at this point in time, and we have others to replace him, so it's a completely different situation from the Gomez one. There's also a much better chance we can trade him.
Everybody keeps talking about Boucher transforming Pacioretty but I think it was Cunneyworth.
I don't think any coach "tansformed" Pacioretty, he just developped physically and went to the AHL to improve his offensive game, something he didn't get enough his first pro year.
I wasn't aware that I had asked for Gomez to be sent down. In fact, I'm pretty sure I made a post in that thread today arguing that we couldn't do this because no one else could replace him.
Kostitsyn is not top 6 at this point in time, and we have others to replace him, so it's a completely different situation from the Gomez one. There's also a much better chance we can trade him.
I'm sure we can trade AK but realistically right now we don't have 4 wingers better than him.
Moen? Belongs on a grinding/checking line.
Pouliot? Has been struggling and he turns into a turnover machine against good players in a bigger role.
Darche? Injured and better suited for support role.
Eller? Tries hard but really he is still developing...AHL?
Just curious about what people think about this: Eller is forgotten by Martin.
The way I see it is that both Eller and Subban were geting hype during the off-season for having possible great rookie seasons and Subban has had all the lessons needed to become a very good rookie and a top defenceman for the team. Subban almost always had PP time, he plays quite a bit, even when he was struggling, and he had a mentor.
Eller has none of this, he is a plug-in for lines and never really had a chance to play in a position for him to feel most comfertable, centerman with two top 6 forwards, and he has never gotten PP time. It also seems that he is getting benched more as a punishment than as a way to learn better like Subban.
Just curious about what people think about this: Eller is forgotten by Martin.
The way I see it is that both Eller and Subban were geting hype during the off-season for having possible great rookie seasons and Subban has had all the lessons needed to become a very good rookie and a top defenceman for the team. Subban almost always had PP time, he plays quite a bit, even when he was struggling, and he had a mentor.
Eller has none of this, he is a plug-in for lines and never really had a chance to play in a position for him to feel most comfertable, centerman with two top 6 forwards, and he has never gotten PP time. It also seems that he is getting benched more as a punishment than as a way to learn better like Subban.
This should tell the story;
One guy played 17:07 against the Islanders last night. The other was playing on the Wash line, along with Gomez and Kostitsyn. To be honest, at this point sending Eller down would at least give him some time to play more and condition his game. Patches had the same problem last year. Little ice-time, playing on the bottom 6. He got some time in the minors, got hot with his scoring streak and was called up and placed in the top 6.
With Subban, he just has pure, natural talent. He can play well with others and by himself. Eller is the top of guy that has a good shot, but creates space to make passes and find open shooters. On the bottom 6, he'll likely never accomplish much.
I'm sure we can trade AK but realistically right now we don't have 4 wingers better than him.
Do you plan on resigning him?
I always liked AK. But in the last two years I feel like he is not there. Like he is not a part of this team. Maybe I am wrong. A couple years ago I was really tough on Plekanec.
Anyways, if we don't resign him, I would hate to see him walk for absolutely nothing.
With Subban, he just has pure, natural talent. He can play well with others and by himself. Eller is the top of guy that has a good shot, but creates space to make passes and find open shooters. On the bottom 6, he'll likely never accomplish much.
Yup, and I think Eller might need a few years (a la Plekanec) to develop. Maybe he will come around quicker than that though. I dunno. I like Eller though, dont know why, just do.
ppl forget that Eller already was a top player in the AHL last year. Everybody thought that after his season in Peoria that he had learned all he can from the AHL. His team wasn't very good but he was the top guy there. Maybe he needs to play in Hamilton with our prospects and coaching but Im not so sure he needs to go down to get better at this point. He is progressing, slower than most hoped but he is none the less.
I'm sure Eller has learned a lot since he's here. Maybe he just needs to go down so he can play more and put what he learned in practice and gain confidence. It worked with Pacioretty, it can work with Eller. He just needs to put everything together because honestly, there is flashes of his talent. You can see it's there. It would also help if his teammates would complete the plays he sets up from times to times.
You guys are funny, so in the other thread, we should send Gomez to the AHL, now trade Kostitsyn, and then the same people will criticize the organisation for not having top 6 players on our top lines, right?
Yup, and I think Eller might need a few years (a la Plekanec) to develop. Maybe he will come around quicker than that though. I dunno. I like Eller though, dont know why, just do.
Yeah, he give off good vibes. Maybe he'll be a stud one day and you just have that natural sixth sense for talent .
But...but Martin is not a good coach for young players, they cant develop their game in that system !
Martin has nothing to do with their developement. Paches had to be sent down to develop properly. Desharnais came in Montreal ready to go with a strong work ethic.
Martin has nothing to do with their developement. Paches had to be sent down to develop properly. Desharnais came in Montreal ready to go with a strong work ethic.
Ofcourse, however if they were struggling it would be all Martin's fault.
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