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06-29-2004, 10:50 AM
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Miracle (post-Miracle Rangers)

I just finished watching Miracle and was forced to recall that time in hockey. I was 6 at the time of 1980 Olympcs, so I barely had a grasp of the impact or the importance of the game. I do remember my older family members being very excited. I was a huge Ranger fan and when I look back at the year books I used to get, I see names like Rob McClanahan and Bill Baker. I remember Eurizione used to be an analyst as well and Mark Pavelich was a long time Ranger. I also remember being a huge Dave Silk fan. At 6 or 7 years old, why Dave Silk? Because he wore #16 which was previously taken by my favorite Ranger, Pat Hickey. (Pat Hickey was the first Ranger hockey card I ever had, so I was an instant fan). Anyway, as I grew up, I remember Herb Brooks as the coach and Craig Patrick as the GM. Didn't Patrick, even coach for a few games?

Anyway, the reason for this thread is, I was hoping some of the older posters can help with some input on the 1980-85 Rangers. Not only the Rangers but even guys like Mark Johnson, Jack O'Callahan and Jim Craig. Johnson and O'Callahan played for New Jersey according to some research. How about Jimmy Craig?

Did the Rangers do any PR spin on the Brooks, Patrick hirings?

Were McClanahan, Silk, Baker solid NHL players or were they overwhelmed?

Also, was Patrick behind the bench for the Olympic games? He was an assistant coach as well as assistant GM? Noah Emmerich portrayed him as such a nice guy. He had to a be a little more stern than Emmerichs portrayal.

Was there really such a rift between O'Callahan and McClanahan.

I am very intrigued by the post-miracle carreers since seeing the movie. So anyone who remembers that time or has input about anything , Please feel free!

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The best player of all of them for the Rangers was Pavelich. Had a good goalscorers nose for the net, though he was a 'smurf' I was at the game where he scored 5 goals in the early 80's.

McClanahan was fast, Silk was slow but they both never really caught on.

Baker was big, but didn't use that size, didn't have a mean streak.

I always like Jack O'Callahan, but he was always injured and was forced to retire early. Bad knees i believe.

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drewcon, good post. I was 4 at the time of the 1980 Olympics and have basically the same questions after seeing Miracle. I don't have much of a recollection of the game at all. It's too bad because I can remember the Phillies-Royals world series that fall and the Raiders-Eagles Superbowl the following January.

I remember Pavelich as a Ranger but that's about it. I always liked that Ramsey and Broten lasted until the late 90's as a link to that great team.

Like Drewcon, I would like to hear anyone's input on this one.

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Broten had the most distinguished NHL career, Pavelich likely the next, the rest didn't do much, or stick around long.

Craig got a cup of coffee with the Flames (I think they were still Atlanta at the time) but didn't last long..

You have to remember that at that time, it was VERRRY difficult for a USA college player to make the show, very few of them were good enough and the ones that were had to prove long and hard in the minors that they could stick witht he big boys. The players that did make it (even for a little bit) from the Miracle team did so becuase of that Gold medal. Their profiles shot up, so some teams were more willing to take a flyer on a couple.

And yes, there was a HUGE rift between East Coast and Mid-West players as well. The O'Callahan/McLanahan was about as close to true as a movie can get.

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I still would love to hear more!!! Thanks so far.

Mike Ramsey had a long NHL career as well.

Also, an additional question to above? How good was Tretiak? He was suppossedly the best goalie in the world at the time.

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Don't forget Mark Johnson, he put up solid numbers. He had a pretty good shot, scored over 30 goals a few times.

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Kenny Morrow. First he won the gold and then helped bring New York it's first home cup and three more.

Folks only remember the Ranger goal in the playoffs but he had huge overtime goals vs the Kings and Oilers in the playoffs in 80-81. He took the puck from Greztky for the open net goal that sealed the sweep in 1983.

Tremendous defender who was great at standing up a forward. Too many games every year took it's toll on his knees and by the late eighties was done but he was a very special player who loved the pressure.

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Kenny Morrow. First he won the gold and then helped bring New York it's first home cup and three more.

Folks only remember the Ranger goal in the playoffs but he had huge overtime goals vs the Kings and Oilers in the playoffs in 80-81. He took the puck from Greztky for the open net goal that sealed the sweep in 1983.

Tremendous defender who was great at standing up a forward. Too many games every year took it's toll on his knees and by the late eighties was done but he was a very special player who loved the pressure.

Did you HAVE to post this? :mad:

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NYISLES1 - Morrow!! The movie did him an injustice. The actor portraying Morrow didn't have a beard. In one of the interviews with Herb Brooks, he mentions that players started growing beards during the tryouts and camps for the Lake Placid team. Brooks said that Morrow was the only one who was allowed to have a beard since he arrived to tryouts with the beard!

Seriously, I forgot about Morrow. My apologies. Not because I am a Ranger fan and he's an Islander!

I do remember him being a great player .

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Stats

Here are stats for both the US and Soviet team during that year. 79-80.

Sorry if the stats are hard to read

# Player Name GP G A Pts PIM
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10 Mark Johnson.................................. 60 38 54 92 31
7 Rob McClanahan................................ 63 34 36 70 38
11 Steve Christoff............................... 64 37 27 64 28
9 Neal Broten.................................. 62 27 31 58 22
16 Mark Pavelich................................. 60 16 36 52 14
8 Dave Silk..................................... 56 12 36 48 32
21 Mike Eruzione................................. 50 21 25 46 22
27 Phil Verchota................................. 61 19 24 43 56
25 William "Buzz" Schneider......................62 27 15 42 48
19 Eric Strobel.................................. 56 15 26 41 24
23 Dave Christian................................ 66 10 28 38 32
28 John Harrington............................... 58 14 23 37 16
17 Jack O'Callahan............................... 55 7 30 37 85
5 Mike Ramsey................................... 63 11 24 35 63
6 Bill Baker.................................... 60 5 25 30 74
14 Ralph Cox..................................... 31 13 13 26 27
3 Ken Morrow.................................... 63 5 20 25 12
20 Bob Suter..................................... 38 7 11 18 67
12 Jack Hughes................................... 49 3 15 18 62
15 Mark Wells.................................... 29 9 7 16 2
2 Les Auge...................................... 29 0 14 14 14
4 Gary Ross..................................... 12 1 6 7 4
22 Dave Delich................................... 13 4 2 6 4
Tim Harrer.................................... 4 1 3 4 0
30 Jim Craig (G)................................. 48 0 3 3 28
1 Steve Janaszak (G)............................ 17 0 1 1 0
31 Bruce Horsch (G).............................. 9 0 0 0 0
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Totals 336 535 871 805



avg ht 5'11" avg wt 185lbs

(Jaime Lundmark 6'0" 195lbs and he's our smallest skater at least on the Ranger roster...not including prospects)

# Player Name GP G A Pts PIM
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15 Sergei Makarov................................ 43 29 39 68 16
19 Helmut Balderis............................... 41 26 35 61 21
7 Boris Mikhailov............................... 41 27 23 50 19
11 Nikolai Drozdetsky............................ 41 31 18 49 22
23 Vladimir Krutov............................... 40 30 12 42 16
10 Alexander Lobanov.............................43 18 24 42 23
16 Vladimir Petrov............................... 32 21 20 41 28
12 Vyacheslav Anisin............................. 41 12 28 40 12
17 Valeri Kharlamov.............................. 41 16 22 38 40
8 Sergei Kapustin............................... 30 18 14 32 12
22 Viktor Zhluktov............................... 36 17 13 30 8
2 Slava Fetisov................................. 37 10 14 24 46
4 Sergei Babinov................................ 41 9 11 20 31
9 Alexander Volchkov............................ 33 9 10 19 0
14 Sergei Starikov............................... 39 10 8 18 14
18 Erik Gimayev.................................. 42 7 10 17 12
21 Alexei Kasatonov.............................. 37 5 8 13 26
3 Vladimir Lutchenko............................ 38 3 9 12 22
25 Alexander Zybin............................... 18 3 7 10 6
5 Sergei Gimayev................................ 22 2 5 7 32
13 Alexei Volchenkov............................. 38 1 4 5 18
*6 Gennady Tsygankov............................10 1 2 3 8
Mikhail Vasilyev.............................. 1 1 0 1 0
1 Alexander Tyzhnych (G)........................ 7 0 0 0 0
Dmitri Saprykin (G)........................... 11 0 0 0 0
20 Vladislav Tretiak (G)......................... 36 0 0 0 2
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Totals 306 336 642 434

Don't know ht and wt for Russian team. Some of the bios are incomplete

Oleg Saprykin on Calgary is Dmitri's son.

All stats were taken from http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...022241980.html

Only about half of the US players actually made it to the NHL. Of those only a few had a decent career. Pavelich had some good years for the Rangers. Neal Broten and Dave Christian had the best careers stats wise. Ken Morrow won some cups with the Islanders. Mike Ramsey had a long career. Jim Craig played in 30 games in three seasons with the Atlanta Flames, Bruins and North Stars. Mike Eruzione never played hockey again after the Olympics at least not professionally. He did coach though. Mark Johnson never became a big time scorer in the NHL although he did score over thirty twice with the Whalers. 203 goals and 508 points in 669 career games. Enjoy

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Dude, drewcon, NICE AVATAR! :lol

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NYR2 - Thanks man! There is the man running our franchise!

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From what I remember...

Morrow was a pretty steady d-man. I liked Johnson, but was jaded because of his status with the team. Craig never really caught on (I believe with the Bruins). Pavelich was small, but quick and good. Broten can be remembered for a long career, and hoisting a Cup for the Devils. I was a fan of Rob McClanahan, but as Bluenote pointed out, he didn't really stick. Dave Christian bounced around a bit, I seem to remember him with the Bruins (and I wanted to say North Stars of Whalers, but I may be thinking of Johnson). In the end, it was a team, and not a bunch of individuals.

On the other side, we all know Fetisov. I think Makharov was the NHL rookie of the year in '88 at the age of 26, after which, I believe, they may've changed the rules in that regard (I can be wrong on that, but I believe he was the oldest NHL rookie).

Kasatonov played for the Devils for a while and wasn't horrible.

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NYR2 - Thanks man! There is the man running our franchise!
Ahem, woman. But that's ok lol.

Yes he is ruining it. I can't stand him, he makes me sick. It actually pains me to hear that fool try and speak in public, it's comical really. He sounds like the biggest idiot, looks like one too. I'd really love to run into that guy one day but that probably wouldn't be nice for him though lol.

I wish we had an owner like Mark Cuban, minus the screaming and yelling at officials. But with the way the refs are with the Rangers most of the time, that might actually be funny lol. But someone who just really loves the sport, and actually understands the sport.

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NYR2:

I'm sorry.

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