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02-12-2011, 11:09 AM
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Why do so many people think Wheeler will be involved? On the wings the Leafs have Kessel, Lupul, Kulemin, MacArthur, Versteeg and Armstrong. He's better than Armstrong, and Lupul is a question mark, but even if he dislodges someone in the top 9 we have a 3 mil player on the fourth.

Unless you're all assuming Versteeg is moved, it makes no sense. And Burke can't afford to move both Kaberle and Versteeg, we'd have no one to quarterback the powerplay. And by no one, I mean that it'd be Lebda.

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Maybe he just wanted to see two good teams for once.
Probably closer to the truth than any other speculation.

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Seriously?
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02-12-2011, 11:12 AM
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Why do so many people think Wheeler will be involved? On the wings the Leafs have Kessel, Lupul, Kulemin, MacArthur, Versteeg and Armstrong. He's better than Armstrong, and Lupul is a question mark, but even if he dislodges someone in the top 9 we have a 3 mil player on the fourth.

Unless you're all assuming Versteeg is moved, it makes no sense. And Burke can't afford to move both Kaberle and Versteeg, we'd have no one to quarterback the powerplay. And by no one, I mean that it'd be Lebda.
Wheeler's played a lot of LW and even Center with the Bruins for whats its worth

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02-12-2011, 11:13 AM
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Pitkanen and White have both been rumored to possibly be moved
Seabrook could be on the move
Yandle has been heavily rumored to Boston for a while now
Bogosain and Buff
McCabe
Liles

there are guys available and Boston has the assets with high picks and prospects to get anyone of them if they want. they dont have to sell the farm for 25 games plus playoffs for Kaberle when they can get a younger better player
Don't be high Byfuglien isn't going anywhere, he's pretty much the face of the organization now.

Yandle to Boston has about as much credibility as Ryan to Toronto
McCabe is a much less effective Philips

Who has stated Liles is on the move? Anyone credible?

The Hawks have come out and said they want to re-sign Seabrook and don't have an intention on trading him

Pitkanen cannot move the puck as well as Kaberle, it's been established that he's a poor man's Kaberle.

White isn't that great, he's a bottom 4 D-man, please stop paying attention to NHL 11.

To say that Kaberle isn't the best PMD out right now is just plain stupid. And yeah the deal is going to be influenced by the Kessel trade. But this is how deals in the NHL work, this isn't like going to Wal-Mart and picking out a PMD. GM's haggle and establish a value based on what the GM with that player wants. If Burke wants something big, Chia has to say "Well do I want to pay and head to the playoffs with a pretty scary roster or wait and try to get Kaberle in free agency?" Then you see if Kaberle bites and waives or even leaves Toronto.

It's seriously like every Boston fan looks at a leaf proposal and goes "HURR COMPENSATING FOR KESSEL" No, it is seriously because Kaberle is our best trading piece and a very big piece of our team so we expect a big return, the Kessel deal doesn't influence nearly as much as people think. Yeah Leaf fans overvalue him a bit but to say Kaberle won't net even a 1st round pick is stupid.

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02-12-2011, 11:15 AM
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Pitkanen and White have both been rumored to possibly be moved
Seabrook could be on the move
Yandle has been heavily rumored to Boston for a while now
Bogosain and Buff
McCabe
Liles

there are guys available and Boston has the assets with high picks and prospects to get anyone of them if they want. they dont have to sell the farm for 25 games plus playoffs for Kaberle when they can get a younger better player


Pitkanen and White - Neither are as good as Kabs, plus I doubt CAR, 1 point out of the playoffs are gonna move their PMD
Seabrook - Better then Kabs, more expensive then Kabs, not a PMD though. I also thought Bowman recently stated they aren't moving him?
Yandle has been heavily rumored to Boston for a while now - I've not heard anything close to this. Again, why are teams in the playoffs moving their best defenseman?
Bogosain and Buff - maybe Bogo for the TOR 1st, but not a chance your gettting anywhere near Buff, they just got him.
McCabe We had him in his prime, nice stuff, but really just another Souray. Big shot, fairly tough, leadership, but not a true puck mover.
Liles - Again you keep quoting players on playoff bound teams that are to important to their successes.

I'd like to see links to some of these guys being avail as well please. I think this is mostly fan based speculation.

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Must've been going to try and learn how to build a team the right way.

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someone said Hudler and a pick for Kaberle and that makes some sense to me. perhaps Wings add a Dman back

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u mad bro?
Not at all. It's very uplifting to have a good chuckle every once with awhile.

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Must've been going to try and learn how to build a team the right way.
You mean like building with all the homegrown top-5 picks that Detroit has in their lineup? Like that? You mean with all the first round picks that they've kept and utilized over the last 15 years? Did Brayden Schenn skate away in disgust after the interview? So many questions.....

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Must've been going to try and learn how to build a team the right way.
HAHAHAHAHAHA HOW ORIGINAL!!!

We haven't heard that joke 15 times in this thread already. Your hilarious!!

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Must've been going to try and learn how to build a team the right way.
Brian Burke? Learn from the opposition?



Thanks for that!

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02-12-2011, 11:27 AM
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You mean like building with all the homegrown top-5 picks that Detroit has in their lineup? Like that? You mean with all the first round picks that they've kept and stock-piled over the last 15 years? Did Brayden Schenn skate away in disgust after the interview? So many questions.....
The early part of their rebuild began with the conservation and development of draft picks. This is the thing that Burke can learn from.

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they are only a hand full of PMD better than Kaberle, each of which are worth more and would cost Boston more to acquire.

Top 15 D in scoring this season so far:
1. Yandle *worth way to much to Phoneix, not a chance he is dealt
2. Lidstrom *probably his last year, and if he returns he wont be leaving Detroit
3. Visnovsky *Anaheim already weak on D, he is going no where
4. Byfuglien *His already high price has risen drastically since arriving ATL
5. Letang *Key player on Pittsburgh, he wont be dealt
6. Enstrom *Key player on Atlanta, wont be dealt
7. Johnson *Just been re-signed, doubt hes moved
8. Boyle *San Jose weak on D and Boyle key player on the team
9. Wisniewski *Montreal just acquired him and fills a need, wont be dealt
10. Kaberle
11. Liles *IMO a fluke season, probably can be had cheaper than most listed above
12. Rafalski *Closest thing DET has to a replacement for Lidstrom, wont be dealt
13. Weber *apparently available but face of the franchise would come at a steep price
14. Burns *Huge come back season, Minni wont be looking to deal him
15. Ehrhoff *Probably the cheapest to acquire but going nowhere b/c VAN needs him for their cup run
Honestly, can't argue with this post. Most, save for one or two, are untouchable other than Kaberle. I guarantee if Kaberle was on any other team than the Leafs, fan bases would be clamoring for their team to acquire even at the expense of a 1st plus decent-good (not great) prospect and serviceable roster player to help even out salary. It's because he's a Leaf (most hated fans in the league) that on these boards, his perceived value is a bust prospect and late 2nd rounder.

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The early part of their rebuild began with the conservation and development of draft picks. This is the thing that Burke can learn from.
Yeah but it seems like people forget the trades he made after that.

Phaneuf and Aulie (Aulie now up and playing with the Leafs, 6'6 and is pretty scary as a shutdown D-man)

Lupul and Gardiner (Gardiner is a great PMD with Wisconsin and is in junior year, so he isn't far off)

No saviors but it's not like we didn't grow out our prospect pool after Kessel.

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The early part of their rebuild began with the conservation and development of draft picks. This is the thing that Burke can learn from.
You mean....sort of like what he is exactly doing right now (if you even cared enough to notice) - barring 1 trade?

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Pitkanen and White - Neither are as good as Kabs, plus I doubt CAR, 1 point out of the playoffs are gonna move their PMD
I agree with everything you wrote expect this. Pitkanen may not be the playmaker Kabs is but he is head and shoulder above Kabs defensively, is actually physical, and has a real good shot. I'd take Pitkanen over Kabs anyday of the week.

The rest of what you wrote is spot on.

Playoffs teams have no need for picks and prospects and won't be trading their good players.

There's likely 6 sellers right now and most of them don't have a PMD/Offensive D-man available. Best case scenerio Kabs waives his NTC and hands Burke a short list of teams (BOS being one of them) and the Bruins get him as a rental for cheap. Worst case scenerio Bruins trade for a lesser PMD like Greene.

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I agree with everything you wrote expect this. Pitkanen may not be the playmaker Kabs is but he is head and shoulder above Kabs defensively, is actually physical, and has a real good shot. I'd take Pitkanen over Kabs anyday of the week.

The rest of what you wrote is spot on.

Playoffs teams have no need for picks and prospects and won't be trading their good players.

There's likely 6 sellers right now and most of them don't have a PMD/Offensive D-man available. Best case scenerio Kabs waives his NTC and hands Burke a short list of teams (BOS being one of them) and the Bruins get him as a rental for cheap. Worst case scenerio Bruins trade for a lesser PMD like Greene.
Don't think the Devils have turned into sellers yet, hottest team since January and is climbing up the standings like it was nothing. If anything they hold the team together

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Yeah but it seems like people forget the trades he made after that.

Phaneuf and Aulie (Aulie now up and playing with the Leafs, 6'6 and is pretty scary as a shutdown D-man)

Lupul and Gardiner (Gardiner is a great PMD with Wisconsin and is in junior year, so he isn't far off)

No saviors but it's not like we didn't grow out our prospect pool after Kessel.
Exactly. Detroit drafted zero saviors too, and traded away several first round picks in the process. Detroit has built a good system of drafting and development - which is exactly the same system Burke has put in place right now. But of course it is far easier to say that he doesn't care about the draft and that he is building the wrong way...especially to those who base their entire opinion on 1 transaction and spout endless crap about something they have zero clue about....unfortunately that is par for the course in here though.

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You mean....sort of like what he is exactly doing right now (if you even cared enough to notice) - barring 1 trade?
LOL!

Burke has shown little, if any respect for the draft. If he did he would be trading for more picks and avoiding the iffy prospects. Aulie was probably a fluke because of the GM we had here in Calgary.

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Exactly. Detroit drafted zero saviors too, and traded away several first round picks in the process. Detroit has built a good system of drafting and development - which is exactly the same system Burke has put in place right now. But of course it is far easier to say that he doesn't care about the draft and that he is building the wrong way...especially to those who look at 1 transaction and spout crap about something they have no clue on....par for the course in here though.
Ever heard of Steve Yzerman?

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Exactly. Detroit drafted zero saviors too. Detroit drafted and developed - which is exactly the same system Burke has in place right now. But of course it is far easier to say that he doesn't care about the draft and that he is building the wrong way...especially to those who look at 1 transaction and spout crap about something they have no clue on....par for the course in here though.
That Kessel deal was horrible, but he's made some shrewd decisions both drafting and trading. If Aulie can come close to performing the way he did again the Devils on a consistent basis, hands down, Burke won the Flames deal. And it wouldn't be close. He played like an absolute beast. Reminded me a lot of a smaller (who'd have thought that), less offensive but more physical version of Tyler Myers.

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Exactly. Detroit drafted zero saviors too, and traded away several first round picks in the process. Detroit has built a good system of drafting and development - which is exactly the same system Burke has put in place right now. But of course it is far easier to say that he doesn't care about the draft and that he is building the wrong way...especially to those who look at 1 transaction and spout crap about something they have no clue on....par for the course in here though.
Yeah but they had Yzerman and signed aging talent like Chelios and Modano. Leafs don't do that, we shouldn't compare ourselves to the Wings until we start getting guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Holmstromm, etc.

Detroit's cups mostly came when they had Yzerman in their lineup, without him they have 1 (excluding everythin pre-Yzerman)

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Yeah but it seems like people forget the trades he made after that.

Phaneuf and Aulie (Aulie now up and playing with the Leafs, 6'6 and is pretty scary as a shutdown D-man)

Lupul and Gardiner (Gardiner is a great PMD with Wisconsin and is in junior year, so he isn't far off)

No saviors but it's not like we didn't grow out our prospect pool after Kessel.
Phaneuf? It sounds like the Flames were glad to be rid of him.

I have no idea why Sutter traded Aulie away. I'll give you that one although a GM in his right mind may have withheld the prospect from any deal.

Lupul? Useful forward but Burke should have went for a pick.

Gardiner? Sounds like the jury is still out. Bit of a risk by the sounds of it. Again, Burke probably would have been better off going after the pick.

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LOL!

Burke has shown little, if any respect for the draft. If he did he would be trading for more picks and avoiding the iffy prospects. Aulie was probably a fluke because of the GM we had here in Calgary.
Dude, Burke overhauled the scouting staff placing a larger budget and more emphasis on late round drafting. This past draft, it looks like he could have a couple steals that could develop into at least very serviceable Leafs in the future.

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