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It goes beyond on ice value (which is still clearly in Staal's corner), Staal is 3 years younger and signed for 4 more years at under 4 mil. Pitkanen is a pending UFA coming off of a 4 mil contract.
This trade will never happen just cuz trades like that are too complex and involve too many "good" pieces. With that being said, this trade kills the Canes secondary scoring too. A line of Anisimov-Larose-Jokinen/Samsonov (depending on if either resign) would be anemic. The Canes need secondary scoring so to give up Skinner and Ruutu when you have Cole, Samsonov, Jokinen, and Larose all as UFA's, this trade won't happen.
Take out MZA and add a low to mid-level prospect and you've got a deal. That's a lot the Rangers are giving up. Also take out the Cane's 1st.
MDZ, Boyle, Gaborik, 2nd, 3rd for Skinner, McBain
Can live with your counter-offer. However the Cane's first is a significant piece.
Without more time on this for now, would summarize as:
core of definitely:
Boyle + Gaborik for Skinner + McBain
Something additional possibly including MDZ/MZA/NYR picks
need to be added depending upon what
Cane picks are also added.
Again, disclaimer, added lesser bodies for cap balance...
or you dont watch enough canes hockey? see i can do it too
No, you're just a homer if you would take an older impending UFA defender who your fellow fans have said is very inconsistent over one of the best young shutdown defenders who is developing offensively, is only 23 years old, and is signed long term to a good deal and was an all-star this season.
Mostly this^.
Would discount Gaborik due to off year, though he's not the only one and a lot of scorers are down in totals this year.
The winner is something more like:
MDZ + Boyle + MZA + Gaborik + a 3rd + a 4th
for
Skinner + McBain + Canes 1st
some extra bodies may be added for cap..
Absolutely not.
I'd throw Gaborik and maybe a couple of picks for Skinner, McBain, and the 1st, but not all of those extra players.
Sorry, but the Rangers still have by far and away the best player in the deal, and they're going to get value for him. Because even in his down year, he's still having a pretty damn good season, and people seem to forget that. All that needs to happen is a stretch of games where he starts scoring, and people will start saying that his value is back up again.
I'm sorry but are Carolina fans talking out of there ass here. I really wonder if you watch any team besides your own.
Staal is one of the top defensemen in the league. Anybody who watches him on a regular basis will tell you this. I would say he is the most important player on our team right now. If Staal was traded for anything less than an elite talent (ala OV, Crosby, Etc) I would truly re-think rooting for the Rangers any longer.
I wouldn't trade him for Skinner and Pitkanen and a 1st by himself, let alone in a package with Gaborik.
Staal is honestly more important to this team than anything we could get back in trade.
I'm fine with not dealing him if the return isn't right.
I love how people like you use the laugh emoticon when they realize that people and general managers won't give up elite talents for ****.
Yeah pal, cause that makes you look cool/smart/tough. Cool story, bro.
LOL.
You're not going to get an 18 year old who's on pace for 63 points playing with poor linemates and a future top pairing defenseman AND a 1st for Gaborik.
I'm sorry but are Carolina fans talking out of there ass here. I really wonder if you watch any team besides your own.
Staal is one of the top defensemen in the league. Anybody who watches him on a regular basis will tell you this. I would say he is the most important player on our team right now. If Staal was traded for anything less than an elite talent (ala OV, Crosby, Etc) I would truly re-think rooting for the Rangers any longer.
I wouldn't trade him for Skinner and Pitkanen and a 1st by himself, let alone in a package with Gaborik.
Staal is honestly more important to this team than anything we could get back in trade.
/rant
I can see why NYR fans think so highly of M. Staal and understand his value. However, to equate his value with an elite-level forward is homerish. M. Staal is not elite at this point and would not not an elite forward, just as Pronger hasn't who at the time of his trades was better than Staal.
No way the Canes would trade Skinner, Pitkanen and a 1st for him. That's way too much for Staal. Keep in mind this was a NYR fan proposal and since the Canes aren't looking to shop their #1 or Skinner, you'd need to make a huge overpayment offer, which it isn't from a Carolina perspective.
sadly having top10 talent doesn't win games for you. actually playing maybe
So Staal being an All Star defenseman was just for ***** and giggles right (in reference to your first post) and it makes me sad that people with as little intelligence as yourself are hockey fans referring to your second post about Gaborik.
Small market team on a budget looking for a part owner, no way in hell can they pay Staal (8.25M), Ward (6.3M) and Gaborik (7.5M). This team just won't do it.
And I get Gaborik has been healthier, but there's still a risk you take with him. The Canes just can't take that risk. Not for a guy making that much money.
referring to your second post about Gaborik.
