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02-18-2011, 07:04 PM
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What is UH? Excuse my igorance

and yeah I have no idea if Cameron played up front in the NHA, but I was implying that he did in fact play forward in Saskatoon. Specifically 1926-1927.
UH = Ultimate Hockey, the book that all dubious retro awards come from.

Cameron was a forward in the WCHL/WHL, 1924, 1925, and 1926. He was done playing top-level hockey after that. The 1926-27 season he was playing in the "prairie league" and I don't think his play there should count for much, if anything. But you're right that he probably remained a forward, based on his scoring stats.

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02-18-2011, 07:16 PM
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UH = Ultimate Hockey, the book that all dubious retro awards come from.

Cameron was a forward in the WCHL/WHL, 1924, 1925, and 1926. He was done playing top-level hockey after that. The 1926-27 season he was playing in the "prairie league" and I don't think his play there should count for much, if anything. But you're right that he probably remained a forward, based on his scoring stats.
Does anyone here know the earliest confirmed recordings of Norris Trophy winners?

Did they have Cleghorn listed as a winner in a year that the newspaper/internet has recorded differently?

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02-18-2011, 07:21 PM
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Does anyone here know the earliest confirmed recordings of Norris Trophy winners?

Did they have Cleghorn listed as a winner in a year that the newspaper/internet has recorded differently?
Not sure if this is what you mean, but the earliest confirmed recording is 1953-54 when the Norris Trophy was first introduced

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The Detroit Riots select RW Theoren Fleury

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The Philadelphia Firebirds select C Frank Mcgee

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The Philadelphia Firebirds select C Frank Mcgee

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Bernie Federko, C

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Very good choice, i regret that I pmed you . He is very underrated, i believe there isn't much difference between federko and sittler in terms of offencive production, not style. Federko is a better playoff performer.

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Very good choice, i regret that I pmed you . He is very underrated, i believe there isn't much difference between federko and sittler in terms of offencive production, not style. Federko is a better playoff performer.
markrander is gonna have a field day with this.

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I thought Federko would be pretty solid with Mikhailov

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Bernie Federko, C
Yikes, that's who I wanted at 285. Great pick, he belongs more in this category than 300ish.

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markrander is gonna have a field day with this.
Cue the (Cincinnati) Fireworks!

For the start of a possibly heated debate.

Bernie Federko: 1.13 PPG
Darryl Sittler: 1.02 PPG

Mark is going to tell us how Sittler had no supporting cast, and what not. Looking forward to it!

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Also, it looks like this thread will fill up tomorrow, and I said I'd make the next one. I'm home from whenever I wake up to 3 ET, then rec hockey/lacrosse than home 9 ET-ish.

So I'll find some time to do it for sure, you can count on me!

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02-18-2011, 10:06 PM
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Raptor, if you want, I can do it instead..

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Raptor, if you want, I can do it instead..
I have no problems with making it, but if you're obliged, go ahead my friend. I am in class during the weekdays, so you might be able to access HF a little more frequently than me.

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02-18-2011, 10:22 PM
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Frank McGee was an excellent pick. I've been waiting to see when he'd go. One of the games first superstars.

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The Philadelphia Firebirds select C Frank Mcgee

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Also, it looks like this thread will fill up tomorrow, and I said I'd make the next one. I'm home from whenever I wake up to 3 ET, then rec hockey/lacrosse than home 9 ET-ish.

So I'll find some time to do it for sure, you can count on me!
Federko wasn't exactly on a juggernaut in St.Louis either. He's underrated for sure.

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Alright, I'll make the next thread.

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We're going to have like 10 draft threads..

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ahh so u guys didn't take today off to watch all the trades happen ..pity

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Hockey Hall of Fame Member
4x Stanley Cup Champion(consecutive, 4x participant)
135 goals in 45 career regular season and cup games
63 goals in 22 career playoff games
4x 1st in Goal Scoring in Cup Challenge Playoffs(only played in 4)

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One-eyed Frank McGee was the cornerstone of one of the greatest teams in hockey history. During his tenure with the Ottawa Hockey Club and Ottawa Silver Seven, the franchise won or defended the Stanley Cup over three consecutive years from 1903 to 1905. McGee's superior puckhandling skills and gifted scoring touch made him one of the most feared offensive threats of his day.

McGee enjoyed a successful Canadian Amateur Hockey League debut with Ottawa on January 17, 1903, by scoring two goals in a 7-1 victory over the famous Montreal Amateur Athletic Association. This proved to be a prelude to an even greater achievement as he netted five goals against the Montreal Victorias three weeks later. A month after this, Ottawa captured the Stanley Cup at the expense of the Victorias and successfully defended a challenge from Rat Portage (later Kenora, Ontario). During the four games against these two clubs, McGee scored seven times and established a reputation for being at his best in Stanley Cup matches. A short time later, the Ottawa club became known as the "Silver Seven." The name was a tribute to the success attained by an outstanding unit of seven players that often changed - except for Frank McGee.

The 1904 and 1905 seasons witnessed an even greater period of success for McGee. On February 25, 1904, he scored a then record five goals in the second game of Ottawa's successful Stanley Cup defense against the Toronto Marlboros. He duplicated this achievement a month later while helping to defeat the Stanley Cup aspirations of Brandon, Manitoba.

The Silver Seven won the championship of the Federal Amateur Hockey League in 1905 with Frank McGee leading the way with 17 goals in only six games. In January, Ottawa successfully beat back the challenge of Dawson City. It was in this series that McGee put forth his, most legendary performance by scoring a Stanley Cup record of 14 goals in the second match. During the 23-2 rout, the Ottawa star at one point recorded eight consecutive goals in less than nine minutes. A month later, he scored the winning goal in the third and deciding game versus the challengers from Rat Portage - while playing with a broken wrist.

The following year, McGee enjoyed a strong regular season with 28 goals in seven games. His last memorable showing in Stanley Cup competition took place in February and March 1906 when he scored six goals in a two-game sweep of Queen's University and then recorded nine goals during a two-game annihilation of Smiths Falls. At the end of March, the Silver Seven's three-year stranglehold on the Stanley Cup came to an end following a two-game series against the Montreal Wanderers. Ottawa fell short by a 12-10 aggregate score, but McGee played particularly well in the second match.

McGee retired prior to the commencement of the 1907 season. He was the focal point of one of hockey's early dynasties and his superior abilities enabled him to form potent forward combinations with the likes of xxx, xxx and xxx, xxx and xxx. Frank Patrick said: "He was even better than they say he was. He had everything - speed, stickhandling, scoring ability and was a punishing checker. He was strongly built but beautifully proportioned and he had an almost animal rhythm."
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Frank McGee's accomplishments are astounding, considering his best years with Ottawa's Silver Seven came after he lost sight in one eye and before the tender age of twenty-three. “One-Eyed” McGee's record of fourteen goals in one Stanley Cup match still stands 105 years later.

Being a referee only made him miss playing more, so despite the risks, he joined the Ottawa Senators in 1903. Despite the rough-sounding nickname, “One-Eyed” McGee became known for his immaculately clean and pressed uniform and play-making.

At only 5'6,” he was one of the smallest players in a brutal game. Size never mattered though, as Frank scored two goals in his first game to help Ottawa win. Soon thereafter, he was averaging three goals (or more) a game, and his 63 goals in 22 Cup games stands as a pre-NHL era record. His most notable accomplishment, a record fourteen goals in a single Cup game came on January 16, 1905 against the Dawson City Nuggets. Eight of those goals were scored at nearly a goal-a-minute pace.

McGee's remarkable skill and accuracy helped lead Ottawa to three consecutive Stanley Cup championship years from 1903 to 1906, defeating the Rat Portage Thistles, Winnipeg Rowing Club, Toronto Marlboros, Brandon Wheat Kings, and Montreal Wanderers along the way. He wasn't the only star of the club, merely its brightest, playing alongside fellow future Hall of Famers xxx, xxx, xxx and Tommy Smith.

When the Hockey Hall of Fame inducted its first members in 1946, Frank “One-Eyed” McGee was one of them. In 1966, he was also inducted into the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. A fitting tribute to not only a hockey hero, but also a national hero.
http://ottawahockeylegends.blogspot....ank-mcgee.html

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Tom Phillips played in six Stanley Cup series and stands up well in the scorers for playoff games. He was undoubtedly a great player who was compared favouably with Frank McGee…
-Trail of the Stanley Cup

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Out west, Phillips was often called the greatest player in the game, much like Frank McGee in the East.
-Honored Members

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Who is the best hockey player in Canada? Nine out of ten people will tell you it is either Frank McGee or Tommy Phillips. Phillips is the speedier, but he has nothing on McGee in the matter of stickhandling and has not the same generalship. Where each shines is in pulling doubtful games out of the fires of uncertainty.
-Montreal Herald, 1906

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Here are the best of the pre-and non-NHLers.
THN’s First Team
G: **** ******
D: Hod Stuart
D: Lester Patrick
R: Cyclone Taylor
LW: Tommy Phillips
C: Frank McGee
RW: Didier Pitre
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the high-scoring McGee.
-NHL.com

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McGee several times hat Thistles players over the head with his stick.
-Toronto Globe

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Phillips and McGee were the stars, both scoring three goals
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Scoring leaders of all Cup Games in Pre-Consolodation Era(1893-1926):

1. Frank McGee - 63
2. Frank Foyston – 37
3. ***** – 36
4. ***** ******* - 31
5. Newsy Lalonde – 27
6. ***** ******** - 26
7. ***** ***** - 25
8. Ernie Johnson - 23
8. Joe Malone - 23
8. ***** ***** - 23
11. Tom Phillips – 22

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Frank McGee was going great guns.
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“In a vote conducted at the time by daily newspapers in Toronto and Montreal, he was named to an All-Star team along with such greats as _______, Harvey Pulford, Frank McGee, ______, and _______”
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...a legendary ice hockey...

He was considered an outstanding playmaker and deadly scorer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_M...8ice_hockey%29

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Frank McGee, the Wayne Gretzky or Sidney Crosby of his era.

The only player to score 14 goals in a Stanley Cup game was Ottawa’s blond McGee, one of the greatest scorers to ever grip a hockey stick or lace on a pair of skates. He weighed all of 140 pounds—if that—but he was a whippet on the ice, a wonder.

More than a century has passed since he played for the Ottawa Silver Seven. They said he was the stuff of legends, and they were right. We still write of McGee’s exploits today. Aware that sportswriters of the day wrote reams of copy about McGee, I culled old newspaper accounts of his Gretzky-like performances and the following, written by some long forgotten sportswriter, is a testament to his greatness:

I followed McGee’s playing career and every match was the same. Away from home, for example, in a furious Stanley Cup series with the Montreal Wanderers, with about 6,000 people all howling “Get McGee!” I saw Frank knocked cold half a dozen times in the one match and honest, he survived to score the last two goals that won the game. No one could slow him up. My, but he was game! Taking the puck and beginning a series of slashing attacks, he finally sailed right into the mouth of the net with two defenders doing their best to eat him alive. He took a dozen nasty cracks and still scored one minute before time. Seconds later, he repeated the feat and was able to skate off smiling.

He seized the puck at center ice, skated in with the speed of a prairie cyclone and shot. I saw him backcheck furiously, dodge here and there, flash from side to side, stickhandle his way through a knot of struggling players, slap the puck into the open net and go down in a heap as he did so. Then I ceased to wonder why this boyish, doll-like hockey star was the idol of the crowd. I too joined in the hysterical shouting for Frank McGee, the world’s greatest hockey player.

...one of the most brilliant and effective players who ever filled that position.
http://www.ithappenedinhockey.com/2010/06/frank-mcgee/

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When Frank checks he checks to win.

McGee is certainly a wonder and the way be rushes in to block the point or cover point's lift is beautiful. Three times out of four he succeeded in keeping the puck from passing centre, and often caught it before the lift was made.
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McGee was an elegant player but could be mean when annoyed.
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he was a brilliant play maker and a deadly marksman. He was also intensely competitive and at his best in important games.
http://www.biographi.ca/009004-119.0...p?&id_nbr=7583

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There are those who still insist that Frank McGee, star of the legendary Silver Seven, was the greatest player of the pre-NHL era. It's a pretty good argument. A center and rover, McGee was a fast skater who could stickhandle and shoot with the very best of them.
http://books.google.com/books?id=wpb...hockey&f=false

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He was cut on the head and knocked unconscious by the Wanderers' xxx but still scored three goals...
In 1904-05 in the Challenge Series, McGee missed the first game with a a broken wrist and after being knocked unconscious, as the quote says. Ottawa lost Game 1 9-3. He came back for Game 2, playing with a broken wrist, and Ottawa won 4-2. In the decisive Game 3, again playing significantly injured, he scored 3 goals, including the game winner.

http://books.google.com/books?id=pMX...hockey&f=false

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Frank McGee was fast on his feet and a superb stickhandler. ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=MRq...ed=0CEEQ6AEwBQ

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Few hockey players have had such a brief career and made such a lasting impact...McGee made up for his diminutive size with pinpoint scoring and crafty stickhandling.
http://books.google.com/books?id=mg3...hockey&f=false

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McGee, who was scoring with great regularity...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...e+hockey&hl=en

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McGee secured the puck from the face and rushed. He lost the puck, recovered it again, dodged one or two, and simply shinnied it into Vics' nets.

He passed to McGee, and Frank fooled a couple of Vics and shot. This was another.
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Blind in one eye due to a hockey injury in 1900 and forced to retire, McGee would come back to the game he loved in 1903. At only 5'6, he dominated the sport for four seasons where he won four Stanley Cups with the dynasty Ottawa Hockey Club. In only 45 pro games, McGee amassed 134 goals including his legendary 14-goal performance in the Stanley Cup challenge vs. Dawson City. His playoff performances defined his hockey career. Along with his unbeatable single game goal record, he owns the record for most goals in a series and most Stanley Cup goals with 63 in 22 contests. One of the original Hockey Hall of Fame inductees, his 3-goals a game average is the best ever. 10 years after his final season, Frank McGee would die in battle during WWI. I tried to keep this list about on-ice performances but McGee's story is just too great to leave out. The greatest player in the first decade of hockey, Frank McGee is an icon to Ottawa hockey.
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135 goals in 45 games you have got to be kidding me...

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sorry for the delay - been on a bus all day and, have been having computer troubles ever since...

the kenora thistles select:

joe hall (d)


...making one nasty pairing with eddie shore

*also, could someone pm the next gm please (my internet connection is spotty at best)...

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