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02-14-2011, 04:18 PM
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Stillman, Reasoner and Weaver

Very few absolute sellers this year (NJ, Ottawa, Edmonton and NYI), and unfortunately, I think Florida is still one more season from realistically making it to the post season. If they don't climb into a playoff position by the 28th, what would a package for some of their veterans cost?

Stillman has 2 cup rings, and will be pulling a prorated 3.533 for the remaining bit of the season.

Reasoner has been a very good 4th line (allegedly) center that more then one team has been interested in acquiring for a playoff push. UFA, and might be due for a raise.

Weaver is cheap, effective and can be a great 5/6/7/8 guy. Not much flash, but alot of substance. 900k this season and next.

Vancouver offers Shirokov, a D prospect not named Tanev or K-Conn, a 2nd and a conditional 3rd if we hit the Conference Semis. Any better bids, and/or what else would have to be included to win Florida over.

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Very few absolute sellers this year (NJ, Ottawa, Edmonton and NYI), and unfortunately, I think Florida is still one more season from realistically making it to the post season. If they don't climb into a playoff position by the 28th, what would a package for some of their veterans cost?

Stillman has 2 cup rings, and will be pulling a prorated 3.533 for the remaining bit of the season.

Reasoner has been a very good 4th line (allegedly) center that more then one team has been interested in acquiring for a playoff push. UFA, and might be due for a raise.

Weaver is cheap, effective and can be a great 5/6/7/8 guy. Not much flash, but alot of substance. 900k this season and next.

Vancouver offers Shirokov, a D prospect not named Tanev or K-Conn, a 2nd and a conditional 3rd if we hit the Conference Semis. Any better bids, and/or what else would have to be included to win Florida over.
Not going to comment on the actual value of the trade but rather valuing of prospects... Value K-Conn (who right now is still miles away from NHL ready... at least in his own zone) in the same breath as Tanev and above Sauve seems very extreme. If you watch him play in the last 2 seasons, you'll know he's miles away from being ready. Unless he pulls a Tanev in terms of development (in his own end), you won't see him for at least 2-3 years (if not longer).

If Florida were to take Sauve, it would be basically 2x 2nd, Shirokov, and a conditional 3rd. Guess thats a reasonable bid if we actually needed all 3 (and had the roster/cap space). Unless Ballard AND Elder stays on LTIR until the playoff, we don't have the cap space for a pro-rated contract of 3.5mil. At most we have the cap room for ~1mil-1.5mil assuming one of them stays on LTIR until the playoffs. Ballard will surely be back before the playoffs so that possibility is out the window.

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Very few absolute sellers this year (NJ, Ottawa, Edmonton and NYI), and unfortunately, I think Florida is still one more season from realistically making it to the post season. If they don't climb into a playoff position by the 28th, what would a package for some of their veterans cost?

Stillman has 2 cup rings, and will be pulling a prorated 3.533 for the remaining bit of the season.

Reasoner has been a very good 4th line (allegedly) center that more then one team has been interested in acquiring for a playoff push. UFA, and might be due for a raise.

Weaver is cheap, effective and can be a great 5/6/7/8 guy. Not much flash, but alot of substance. 900k this season and next.

Vancouver offers Shirokov, a D prospect not named Tanev or K-Conn, a 2nd and a conditional 3rd if we hit the Conference Semis. Any better bids, and/or what else would have to be included to win Florida over.

is that for all 3 of them? because if it is it's not a very good offer.

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Weaver's not going anywhere.

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Canucks would give a few picks or a pick and a decent prospect for Weaver & Reasoner

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The Panthers have no reason to trade Weaver.

1. He's way more valuable than his #'s indicate, meaning we'd probably get screwed in a trade. Weaver's been our #1 D man this year, in terms of matching up against the opposing team's top lines on a nightly basis.

2. He's under contract next year, at 900K.

No point in trading him. You can have your old friend from the past Bryan Allen, though; he's a beast.

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Mike Weaver is tiny, 32-years-old and will be lucky to break 20 points... he's not a part of the rebuild. If Florida gets offered a 2nd for him they're all over it.

Stillman and Reasoner will both be HOT commodities at the deadline- every team can use a 3rd line faceoff and PK whizz, Stillman is a cheap PP cog.

No idea what they go for, but it should be decent.

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Mike Weaver is tiny, 32-years-old and will be lucky to break 20 points... he's not a part of the rebuild. If Florida gets offered a 2nd for him they're all over it.

Stillman and Reasoner will both be HOT commodities at the deadline- every team can use a 3rd line faceoff and PK whizz, Stillman is a cheap PP cog.

No idea what they go for, but it should be decent.
Quality players who are cheap will be on the team.
It doesn't matter that he's 32 or that he's not going to break 20 points. He's making 900K next year, young teams need veterans, and he's one of the most underrated PK'ers in the league.

Stillman is as good as gone because he's a UFA at the end of the year, and serves little purpose on this team.

Reasoner will more than likely go as well for the same reasons.

Weaver is a keeper for next year.

You can only get so many picks; you need players on the roster capable of playing. It's not easy to replace what Mike Weaver's brought to the Panthers this year for less than a million dollars.

He's more than likely staying put.

The Panthers could get a handful of 2nd round picks by trading all the upcoming UFA's on the roster, as it is. It's not a necessity to get another one (if Weaver is even worth that to other teams that don't watch him play every night) when he's signed for next year at a very cheap price, and does a good job.

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Stillman to Tampa would be pure class.

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Reasoner to Chicago makes sense, and he could even stick around a bit this time.

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Not going to comment on the actual value of the trade but rather valuing of prospects... Value K-Conn (who right now is still miles away from NHL ready... at least in his own zone) in the same breath as Tanev and above Sauve seems very extreme. If you watch him play in the last 2 seasons, you'll know he's miles away from being ready. Unless he pulls a Tanev in terms of development (in his own end), you won't see him for at least 2-3 years (if not longer).

If Florida were to take Sauve, it would be basically 2x 2nd, Shirokov, and a conditional 3rd. Guess thats a reasonable bid if we actually needed all 3 (and had the roster/cap space). Unless Ballard AND Elder stays on LTIR until the playoff, we don't have the cap space for a pro-rated contract of 3.5mil. At most we have the cap room for ~1mil-1.5mil assuming one of them stays on LTIR until the playoffs. Ballard will surely be back before the playoffs so that possibility is out the window.
Probably should have said it was strictly for sentimental reasons for Connauton. Also, I don't think Sauve is as capable as Tanev, I just think Tanev, by merit of being able to play with the big club, is a roster player at the moment. Sauve would be hard to let go of, but see below, I know we'd have to add value.

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is that for all 3 of them? because if it is it's not a very good offer.
Touche, this is my first proposal in a while and I am not completely sure of what Florida would want/need other then that.

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Mike Weaver is tiny, 32-years-old and will be lucky to break 20 points... he's not a part of the rebuild. If Florida gets offered a 2nd for him they're all over it.

Stillman and Reasoner will both be HOT commodities at the deadline- every team can use a 3rd line faceoff and PK whizz, Stillman is a cheap PP cog.

No idea what they go for, but it should be decent.
We are in the same boat then DK. I like what all three players bring to the table, but I have a hard time nailing value, hence the under payment.

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The Panthers have no reason to trade Weaver.

1. He's way more valuable than his #'s indicate, meaning we'd probably get screwed in a trade. Weaver's been our #1 D man this year, in terms of matching up against the opposing team's top lines on a nightly basis.

2. He's under contract next year, at 900K.

No point in trading him. You can have your old friend from the past Bryan Allen, though; he's a beast.
Pass on Allen, I don't think Gillis would want to steal the last piece of the Luongo deal from you guys

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Reasoner to Chicago makes sense, and he could even stick around a bit this time.
He might even play a game, haha.

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It was rumored the Kings were interested in Stillman.

What would it take to get him on the Kings......?

Realistically.

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Very few absolute sellers this year (NJ, Ottawa, Edmonton and NYI), and unfortunately, I think Florida is still one more season from realistically making it to the post season. If they don't climb into a playoff position by the 28th, what would a package for some of their veterans cost?

Stillman has 2 cup rings, and will be pulling a prorated 3.533 for the remaining bit of the season.

Reasoner has been a very good 4th line (allegedly) center that more then one team has been interested in acquiring for a playoff push. UFA, and might be due for a raise.

Weaver is cheap, effective and can be a great 5/6/7/8 guy. Not much flash, but alot of substance. 900k this season and next.

Vancouver offers Shirokov, a D prospect not named Tanev or K-Conn, a 2nd and a conditional 3rd if we hit the Conference Semis. Any better bids, and/or what else would have to be included to win Florida over.
Stillman and reasoner probably land 2nds alone No way do they send all 3 to Nucks for that never happen

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It was rumored the Kings were interested in Stillman.

What would it take to get him on the Kings......?

Realistically.
3rd + long shot prospect IMO.

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I'd move Shirokov and a conditional pick for Reasoner. Maybe a 2nd if we get to conference finals.

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3rd + long shot prospect IMO.
This I could do. I likely would even do a second if Florida added a 5th or 6th coming back our way. Given what Versteeg just went for, despite being younger and not a UFA, I'm very worried about what the cost of anyone is going to be, even a UFA like Stillman.

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