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02-13-2011, 08:46 PM
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Boston - Carolina

Im a sabres fan but this is for bruins fans, would you trade seguin for jeff skinner right now straight up?

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No, no I wouldn't.

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Can you also give reasoning either way.

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I wouldn't.

It's pretty clear Skinner has the edge right now, but Seguin has more skills and is a more complete player, he just needs to adjust on NHL level.

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No I would not. Mainly because I think Seguin will end up being the better player. Skinner has been sick though.

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Obviously Skinner would have been a great fit for the Bruins this year.

On the other hand, not sure he would have thrived in Julien's system at 18 either.

At the end of the day, I think both will play in many all star games, but I would not trade Seguin for Skinner. I think he can be a top 10 player in this league for a long time

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It's pretty clear Skinner has the edge right now, but Seguin has more skills and is a more complete player
Seguin is probably a better two way player but saying he has more skill is definitely debatable, IMO.

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No they wouldn't and rightfully so.

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I say no but i can see carolina saying no aswell

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I wouldn't. Skinner is having the better season, but it's a marathon not a sprint.

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Carolina says no, why wouldnt boston want an 18 year old who could play in their top 6 already? savard is out, skinner is unreal (the way he played this year compares to stamkos). I would not say skinner is as good as the elite three but he also has huge potential to be a top 10 player in the nhl.
I think boston would do this, but Skinner is the heart and sole of Caronlina the fans absolutely love his Beiber look he has going on, oh and he is good at hockey

Edit : i mean stamkos in his first year not now clearly lol

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Both teams say no.

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Skinner wouldn't be in Boston's top 6. You aren't likely to find an 18 year old kid out there that Julien would dress over his current top 6.

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Skinner has as many points as the two centers in the top 6 for boston now.

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Carolina says no, why wouldnt boston want an 18 year old who could play in their top 6 already? savard is out, skinner is unreal (the way he played this year compares to stamkos). I would not say skinner is as good as the elite three but he also has huge potential to be a top 10 player in the nhl.
I think boston would do this, but Skinner is the heart and sole of Caronlina the fans absolutely love his Beiber look he has going on, oh and he is good at hockey

Edit : i mean stamkos in his first year not now clearly lol
Stamkos was a slow start like Seguin (who has seemed to turn it up in his passed two games)

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Stamkos was a slow start like Seguin (who has seemed to turn it up in his passed two games)
But Seguin is no Stamkos.

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18 points in 52 games vs. 45 in 78, very comparable? maybe some bias in that opinion

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Can you also give reasoning either way.
Both teams have a different set of coaches, and expectations of their player. Julien has Seguin playing between 6-13 minutes a night, depending on how he performs. Little to no powerplay time, and Julien's expectations of him are to become a solid 2-way player before they let him go offensively. Whether this is right or wrong, is another debate. Skinner is getting much more ice-time, specifically on the powerplay, and usually playing with some pretty offensively talented players. Seguin has been relegated to playing with Shawn Thornton, Greg Campbell and Daniel Paille at times. I think it would be fair to say, Seguin would be given much more leniency in Carolina, in terms of letting his defensive game slip. And the same would go with Jeff Skinner in Boston, he'd be held more accountable, and honestly I could see the Bruins sending him back to juniors prior to the beginning of the season, just because of their teams make up then.

Skinner is very impressive and I'd take him over some players in our top 9; but I think the verdict is not out on both. Right now, on either team, I wouldn't swap prospect for prospect; the grass isn't always greener on the other side. It would be interesting to have this conversation in 5 years, but it's too early now.

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02-14-2011, 01:09 AM
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Neither team does this.


Seguin has a boatload of potential (more than Skinner is debatable).


Skinner is now a cult hero in Carolina, to the point where one local girl asked him to her high school prom.

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comparable question... would carolina fans have preferred patrice bergeron over eric staal back in 2004?

there is usually a reason one guy gets drafted 1/2 and that reason is his upside potential and raw talent.

and if someone not drafted 1-2 happens to have a great season or two as a kid... they usually never get much better. im not saying they automatically suck, but you cant find many examples of guys drafted late in the first year who have great first seasons then keep improving.

look at a guy like scott gomez for devils or justin williams for philadelphia. they impressed the hell out of all of us making their teams as kids. then they never really improved alot. Not saying they are bad players but neither is headed anywhere near the hall of fame when they are done playing. What we saw in their rookie year turned out to be about all they had.

they deserve props for being so mature as 18/19 year olds... but ultimately they just proved to be mature enough to give us what they had. it seemed more impressive only because of their age.

seguin doesnt have the same limitations. he may never realize his potential. there is always a risk that very high end talents dont live up to expectations.

I will say though if Jeff Skinner has a career comparable to gomez or williams or bergeron then he will have a lot to be proud about. If Seguin has a similar career then he will be considered a disappointment.

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I'd take Samsonov over Thornton any day of the week. Oh wait, what was the question again?

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02-14-2011, 08:44 AM
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I wouldn't.

It's pretty clear Skinner has the edge right now, but Seguin has more skills and is a more complete player, he just needs to adjust on NHL level.
Just a question. What edge do you give to Seguin in the "more skills" category? (I haven't seen enough of him to know so this is a serious question, not trying to dispute what you wrote).

For Skinner, he has fantastic hands, unbelievable vision on the ice (especially for his age), a good shot, great hockey sense, a knack for scoring, a non-stop motor, and a unique but effective skating style (with the 10-2). Some of those aren't technically a skill. He also is surprisingly strong for his age/height and is much better at puck possession than I expected.

I know Sequin is bigger, looks like he has very good speed (random observation on my part). I also believe he has very good scoring skills, ability to set people up and a strong 2 way game. For someone who has seen more of him, what skills do you think sets him apart from someone like Skinner?

As to the OPs question, I think neither team would do this. With a guy like Seguin,the Bruins shouldn't be worried about what he'll do this year or even next. They are counting on him a couple years down the road and he'll need some time do develop and adapt to the NHL. I realize Skinner has surprised a lot of people this year, but I don't think enough has changed since the draft that would change the Bruin's management's opinion of Seguin.

It's fun to speculate, but way too early to say one player will be better than another in 5-10 years.

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02-14-2011, 08:53 AM
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comparable question... would carolina fans have preferred patrice bergeron over eric staal back in 2004?

there is usually a reason one guy gets drafted 1/2 and that reason is his upside potential and raw talent.

and if someone not drafted 1-2 happens to have a great season or two as a kid... they usually never get much better. im not saying they automatically suck, but you cant find many examples of guys drafted late in the first year who have great first seasons then keep improving.

look at a guy like scott gomez for devils or justin williams for philadelphia. they impressed the hell out of all of us making their teams as kids. then they never really improved alot. Not saying they are bad players but neither is headed anywhere near the hall of fame when they are done playing. What we saw in their rookie year turned out to be about all they had.

they deserve props for being so mature as 18/19 year olds... but ultimately they just proved to be mature enough to give us what they had. it seemed more impressive only because of their age.

seguin doesnt have the same limitations. he may never realize his potential. there is always a risk that very high end talents dont live up to expectations.

I will say though if Jeff Skinner has a career comparable to gomez or williams or bergeron then he will have a lot to be proud about. If Seguin has a similar career then he will be considered a disappointment.
A couple of questions/comments.

I understand what you are saying, but I think Justin Williams is a bad example. He had 25 points in 63g his first year, 40 in 75g his 2nd year. Injuries hit. He then developed in Carolina into a 30G / 70point player and was outstanding defensively. That's a substantial improvement over where he started. If it wasn't for injuries (a couple of very serious knee injuries), I have no doubt Williams would have been a consistent 30+G/ 70-80point player. Even now in Los Angeles in a year where he is finally healthy (but not nearly as fast as he was before all the injuries), he is on pace for 29 goals and 67 points.

Re: Skinner, I am curious to understand what limitations he has when you say "Seguin doesn't have the same limitations"? Not disputing it, just want to understand your line of thinking.

BTW..I'm of the same opinion though. If I was Boston, I would not want to make the trade based on 1/2 a season. I have confidence Sequin will develop.

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