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Hemsky now that 2 1sts have been traded

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02-15-2011, 12:56 AM
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not necessarily .......the playoff race is so tight that a team that misses the playoffs by 5-6 points could be a top 10 pick....Atl...Buff..NYR...could all have top 10 picks....and so could a team like Dallas if things dont go well....and they are 3rd in the west
Bingo, I would be targeting clubs that maybe fighting for a spot but fighting a losing effort. Trading him to a team in the West would be our best bet of having this happening IMO. You surely don't trade him to a top contender so that you draft 24th-30th.

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02-15-2011, 08:28 AM
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Im guessing Hemsky gets us a pick in the 12-15 range, plus a prospect

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02-15-2011, 09:29 AM
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I am actually guessing (hoping?) that they Oilers don't trade Hemsky. The biggest reason being that this is a weak draft (obviously the GM's agree, considering how first round picks have been thrown around), and the Oil have a lot of youth right now, they should be either keeping guys like Hemsky, or packaging him with depth guys (Smid towards a top line d-man, Omark + towards a top line center, etc.). The Oilers are almost too young right now, I don't want the average age of their team to be 23 years old, they need some veterans on the roster, so unless an offer for a top pair d-man or center comes up, don't trade Hemsky yet.

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02-15-2011, 10:09 AM
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You are penciling in eberle and omark as our top guys already? Remember when cogliano was going to be our top line center in a few years?

These guys are rookies, and you can never have too much depth.

If in 3 years you see omark and eberle turn into top 6 players consistently, then you consider moving one, but you don't trade away your best player right now because you think these 2 rookies can potentially take his spot. I understand we're rebuilding, but you need proven players.
Eberle is a top 6 forward now and forever... you could pencil that in

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02-15-2011, 10:32 AM
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Hang on to Hemsky unless he can be used in a package to grab a top 10 pick or young player.

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he's worth more, top 15 pick and prospect or top prospect and a pick...

simmonds, prospect and a 1st for hemsky and a 3rd kind of thing...
No freaking way, Hemsky has never scored over 23 goals and that was the only time he scored over 20. All he has proven thus far is that he cant play a full season and cant score over 20. Maybe if he could stay healthy but that is to much of a gamble. Prospect and a 2nd at best.

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02-15-2011, 10:51 AM
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No freaking way, Hemsky has never scored over 23 goals and that was the only time he scored over 20. All he has proven thus far is that he cant play a full season and cant score over 20. Maybe if he could stay healthy but that is to much of a gamble. Prospect and a 2nd at best.
If you are looking for a goal scorer then perhaps make an offer for Penner. Hemsky as you note is not a goal scorer but a set up man that averages around .9 ppg in his career. Some of the reasons he can't stay healthy is that he is not a soft player that is willing to take abuse to make a play and because the Oilers have no clue how to protect their skill players.

Your offer of a 2nd plus a prospect does not fit the market that has been established with the Fisher/Verstegg trades. You may as well just say you have no interest in the player at all, which is your right to do.

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02-15-2011, 10:53 AM
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No freaking way, Hemsky has never scored over 23 goals and that was the only time he scored over 20. All he has proven thus far is that he cant play a full season and cant score over 20. Maybe if he could stay healthy but that is to much of a gamble. Prospect and a 2nd at best.
Brad Richards has never scored over 26 goals, over the past 3 seasons he has missed almost 100 games guy just can't stay healthy. He is worth a decent prospect and a 2nd at best

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Habs could offer something like:

A.Kostitsyn+1st+Carle/Maxwell

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If Hemsky does get moved i think EDM fans are gonna be real dissapointed in the return

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Habs could offer something like:

A.Kostitsyn+1st+Carle/Maxwell
A problem as noted before is the Oilers have no need at all for a skilled winger like Kostitsyn. He is a good player but if the Oilers are taking a player back he better be a defenceman or a center.

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If Hemsky does get moved i think EDM fans are gonna be real dissapointed in the return
Not likely. If the return isn't somewhat significant, he won't be dealt.

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If Hemsky does get moved i think EDM fans are gonna be real dissapointed in the return
Certainly a possibility but I can't see any way in the world he wouldn't fetch more than what Verstegg/Fisher brought. I would think the Oilers will not trade him this year if they deem the offers too low.

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I still would like the Bruins to get him. He'd look great with either Krejci or Bergeron.

Lucic - Krejci - Hemsky
Marchand - Bergeron - Horton

I'd give Boston 1st, Colborne, and ... I don't know. I'd say Stuart because everyone throws him in there. Is that enough?


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Hemsky >>> Fisher

Hemsky >> Versteeg
only if he is in the lineup which in the past 2 or 3 years he hasnt been very much

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I still would like the Bruins to get him. He'd look great with either Krejci or Bergeron.

Lucic - Krejci - Hemsky
Marchand - Bergeron - Horton

I'd give Boston 1st, Colborne, and ... I don't know. I'd say Stuart because everyone throws him in there. Is that enough?
That would certainly be enough to get some attention. I don't know just how much Tambellini values Hemsky but the Boston 1st, Colborne and something else would draw interest.

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I still would like the Bruins to get him. He'd look great with either Krejci or Bergeron.

Lucic - Krejci - Hemsky
Marchand - Bergeron - Horton

I'd give Boston 1st, Colborne, and ... I don't know. I'd say Stuart because everyone throws him in there. Is that enough?
Even tho the Boston Pick will be pretty high I'd think that would be a perfect deal.(IE reasonable) Plus Hemsky would then be on my second favourite team.

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It doesn't make sense to have:

Hall - X - Eberle
Paajarvi - X - Hemsky
Penner - X - Omark

Mainly due to the fact that HOPE will want more money, and Hemsky/Penner might ask for more as well. No point in having 5 (arguably 6) top six wingers. It gets too expensive especially if we get a good center, who demands a lot of money.

Hemsky for Colbourne anyone?
Tell that to the Philidelphia Flyers.

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only if he is in the lineup which in the past 2 or 3 years he hasnt been very much
That is the tough thing to project that is for sure. Many good players this year have had injury spotted pasts such as Franzen, Briere, Brad Richards, Vanek, Havlat, Brendan Morrow.

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I don't think Hemsky is that attractive to teams. He's not a proven playoff performer, actually not a guy built for the playoffs, and has proven to be injury prone. I would save my assets for guys that step up in the post season and can be a difference maker or guy who fills an obvious hole. Hemsky just doesn't fill many holes.

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I still would like the Bruins to get him. He'd look great with either Krejci or Bergeron.

Horton - Krejci - Hemsky

I'd give Boston 1st, Colborne, and ... I don't know. I'd say Stuart because everyone throws him in there. Is that enough?
I'd be interested in a package of Boston's 1st, Colborne, and maybe another pick (2nd would be ideal but maybe a 3rd would be more realistic?).

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That is the tough thing to project that is for sure. Many good players this year have had injury spotted pasts such as Franzen, Briere, Brad Richards, Vanek, Havlat, Brendan Morrow.
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but is it worth the chance... what if he never shakes it

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It doesn't make sense to have:

Hall - X - Eberle
Paajarvi - X - Hemsky
Penner - X - Omark

Mainly due to the fact that HOPE will want more money, and Hemsky/Penner might ask for more as well. No point in having 5 (arguably 6) top six wingers. It gets too expensive especially if we get a good center, who demands a lot of money.

Hemsky for Colbourne anyone?
Trading a player today because you MIGHT be tight against the cap in 3 years is beyond stupid. If in 3 years, all 4 of Omark, Hall, Eberle, and Paajarvi are still here, AND if they've all proven they deserve big raises, AND if those raises are going to put the Oilers into cap trouble (who knows what the cap will be by then), then you can look at moving Penner/Hemsky. Until then, they're probably better off keeping them, rather than trading them for question marks (who, if they're any good, will need new contracts at the same time).

If the Hawks traded Byfuglien, Versteeg, and Ladd 2 years ago because Kane, Toews, Hjarlmarsson, and Keith needed new contracts in 2010, then they wouldn't have had the depth that allowed them to win the cup last year.

Keep the players when you can, and move them when you have to. Even if it means getting a slightly lesser return.

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I don't think Hemsky is that attractive to teams. He's not a proven playoff performer, actually not a guy built for the playoffs, and has proven to be injury prone. I would save my assets for guys that step up in the post season and can be a difference maker or guy who fills an obvious hole. Hemsky just doesn't fill many holes.
Hemsky 24GP 6G 11A 17Pts .70PPG isnt exactly choking either

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I don't think Hemsky is that attractive to teams. He's not a proven playoff performer, actually not a guy built for the playoffs, and has proven to be injury prone. I would save my assets for guys that step up in the post season and can be a difference maker or guy who fills an obvious hole. Hemsky just doesn't fill many holes.
so you totally ignored 2006 did you? Hemsky was perfectly fine in the playoffs. sure he doesn't have a lot of years to go by in the playoffs but based on the most recent one there shouldn't really be any concerns about his ability to play playoff hockey.

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