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Hemsky now that 2 1sts have been traded

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02-15-2011, 12:08 PM
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but is it worth the chance... what if he never shakes it
That's one reason he might be available. I'd warrant that just about every player traded has something that makes them expendable, whether it be age, attitude, health, contract etc. Very good players that have no issues at all are highly coveted and usually kept.

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What I would like to see the Oilers do is trade Hemsky for a top tier prospect + a pick

That top tier prospect should either be a D or a C for obvious reasons.

Come the draft, I would then draft opposite of what I received back from Hemsky in the trade (ie they trade for a top D prospect, they should draft a C)

The only flaw to that is if they trade for a top tier C banking on the fact they should be able to land Larsson, but then unable too, and draft the BPA which ends up being another top tier C... is that a bad thing? Probably not in the small scheme of things right now, and if anything 3-4 years down the road if both (drafted and traded) C's end up being #1 & #2 C's on this team, that would allow us to then move Gagner for a significant piece down the road (assuming Gagner doesn't out perform the top 2 C's)

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Edmonton should try to trade Hemsky, Horcoff, and Penner for 3 1st round picks. I don't know if Horcoff could get a 1st though.

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Even tho the Boston Pick will be pretty high I'd think that would be a perfect deal.(IE reasonable) Plus Hemsky would then be on my second favourite team.
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I'd be interested in a package of Boston's 1st, Colborne, and maybe another pick (2nd would be ideal but maybe a 3rd would be more realistic?).
Excellent. I'll call Chiarelli.

I have a feeling my fellow Bruins fans would not be behind this but I like it.

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I don't think Hemsky is that attractive to teams. He's not a proven playoff performer, actually not a guy built for the playoffs, and has proven to be injury prone. I would save my assets for guys that step up in the post season and can be a difference maker or guy who fills an obvious hole. Hemsky just doesn't fill many holes.
Tough to be a proven playoff performer when the team you are on can't make the playoffs. 17 points in 24 games ain't that bad for the year the Oilers made it to the finals.

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Edmonton should try to trade Hemsky, Horcoff, and Penner for 3 1st round picks. I don't know if Horcoff could get a 1st though.
Shawn Horcoff is virtually untradeable.

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I'd be interested in a package of Boston's 1st, Colborne, and maybe another pick (2nd would be ideal but maybe a 3rd would be more realistic?).
I'd do Colborne & MIN 2nd. Hemsky is a good talent, while he's had trouble staying healthy, I think it's being over exaggerated here. Last season was by far his worse (as far as injury). I'd put him on Seguins' wing & cross my fingers they'd develop good chemistry. Seguin is a shooter, Hemsky a passer, hopefully a perfect fit.

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I don't think Hemsky is that attractive to teams. He's not a proven playoff performer, actually not a guy built for the playoffs, and has proven to be injury prone. I would save my assets for guys that step up in the post season and can be a difference maker or guy who fills an obvious hole. Hemsky just doesn't fill many holes.
In 06 playoffs if you asked the opposition, who's the most dangerous Oiler, the one that makes you pay close attention in the defensive zone. I guarantee you most would've said Hemsky. He pretty much beat Detroit in game 6 on his own. Granted that was just one series, but one series on a strong team, could be the cup final. That being said, I really don't want to trade him.

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02-15-2011, 12:18 PM
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Edmonton should try to trade Hemsky, Horcoff, and Penner for 3 1st round picks. I don't know if Horcoff could get a 1st though.
Horcoff isn't worth a 7th.

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Excellent. I'll call Chiarelli.

I have a feeling my fellow Bruins fans would not be behind this but I like it.
As a Bruins fan I'm definitely not on board with those deals. I feel Hemsky is too much of an injury risk to spend assets on. He's fairly soft and is a playmaker not a sniper, which Boston would like. If valuable assets were to be traded, I'd hope it'd be for a quality PMD or a sniping forward.

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What's your definition of soft? Most playmaking wingers don't hit. Hemsky has never backed off a play cuz he knew he'd get hit. Most Oiler fans wish he would once in a while. Hemsky will sell out to make a play 10 times out of 10.

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Horton-like return.
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Hemsky is being seriously underrated here. He is worth a 1st + Very Good prospect atleast. He's almost a PPG player. If he was healthy, he would be easily worth Blue Chipper + 1st +.

2nd + prospect

Not an Oiler's fan.

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I can't see Pittsburgh interested in trading away picks or prospects for a run this year. Why? Malkin is gone.

As much as I would love to get a top prospect, like Schenn, I just don't see it happening. I think Hemsky could still get a 1st from a team on the bubble (LA, Carolina, Buffalo, NYR, MINN, CLB), plus a decent prospect. Colborne from Boston is an interesting option as well, but the 1st round pick isn't going to be as good from other teams on the bubble. Colborne is a pretty good prospect as well though.

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02-15-2011, 12:33 PM
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What's your definition of soft? Most playmaking wingers don't hit. Hemsky has never backed off a play cuz he knew he'd get hit. Most Oiler fans wish he would once in a while. Hemsky will sell out to make a play 10 times out of 10.
By soft I meant Boston already has enough players with injury concerns and Hemsky would only add to that. So it relates to his injury history more than his style of play. He also doesn't show very much confidence in his shot and I wish he would shot more. Ever since he's come into the league he's been a pass first, pass second player. My best friend is an Oilers fan, so I've seen Hemsky play quite often and he's never progressed in his shooting. That's not the type of play IMO that Boston really needs, even though it's an upgrade to them in the skill department.

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From Boston I would offer:

1 of: Colborne, Boston's 1st in 2011, Spooner, Knight
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1 of: Hamill, Boston's 2nd in 2011

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I can't see Pittsburgh interested in trading away picks or prospects for a run this year. Why? Malkin is gone.

As much as I would love to get a top prospect, like Schenn, I just don't see it happening. I think Hemsky could still get a 1st from a team on the bubble (LA, Carolina, Buffalo, NYR, MINN, CLB), plus a decent prospect. Colborne from Boston is an interesting option as well, but the 1st round pick isn't going to be as good from other teams on the bubble. Colborne is a pretty good prospect as well though.
He's Boston's #1 prospect (besides Seguin) and is valued higher than a mid-round 1st IMO.

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He's Boston's #1 prospect (besides Seguin) and is valued higher than a mid-round 1st IMO.
I'm not comparing his value to a mid 1st. I'm saying his value is higher than most other teams top prospects. Boston's 1st is a lower value than say LA's, Caro's, ATL's because they are higher in the standings.
I hope that we are looking at getting a good prospect and a pick in the 15-20 range, a package of Boston's 1st and Colborne may be similar value as Colborne is worth more, but the pick is worth less.

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To Edmonton:

Milan Michalek
One of David Rundblad/Jared Cowen
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To Ottawa:

Ales Hemsky

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Trading a player today because you MIGHT be tight against the cap in 3 years is beyond stupid. If in 3 years, all 4 of Omark, Hall, Eberle, and Paajarvi are still here, AND if they've all proven they deserve big raises, AND if those raises are going to put the Oilers into cap trouble (who knows what the cap will be by then), then you can look at moving Penner/Hemsky. Until then, they're probably better off keeping them, rather than trading them for question marks (who, if they're any good, will need new contracts at the same time).

If the Hawks traded Byfuglien, Versteeg, and Ladd 2 years ago because Kane, Toews, Hjarlmarsson, and Keith needed new contracts in 2010, then they wouldn't have had the depth that allowed them to win the cup last year.

Keep the players when you can, and move them when you have to. Even if it means getting a slightly lesser return.
The difference of course being that none of the guys that you mention from the Hawks were UFA's now were they? For all we know Penner and Hemsky want to move and have told Tambo that they will walk on July 1st 2012. Beyond stupid is keeping a team exceptionally deep on the wings while needing centers and defensemen and even worse letting two of your biggest assets walk for nothing in a rebuild, now THAT is well beyond stupid. If both sign for reasonable contracts then you were right, if not IMO you're off base here.

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Edmonton should try to trade Hemsky, Horcoff, and Penner for 3 1st round picks. I don't know if Horcoff could get a 1st though.
Horcoff isn't going anywhere as an impending UFA he'd probably fetch a 2nd round pick, with years on his contract? No one touches him with a 100' pole.

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Excellent. I'll call Chiarelli.

I have a feeling my fellow Bruins fans would not be behind this but I like it.
Unfortunately we don't make the deals, that said last that I saw Colborne wasn't doing that great in the AHL, but his size would be a welcomed addition even if he doesn't necessarily play big.

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I'd do Colborne & MIN 2nd. Hemsky is a good talent, while he's had trouble staying healthy, I think it's being over exaggerated here. Last season was by far his worse (as far as injury). I'd put him on Seguins' wing & cross my fingers they'd develop good chemistry. Seguin is a shooter, Hemsky a passer, hopefully a perfect fit.
Well let's see.....

Joe Colborne 54gp. 12-14-26 -16 4-6-10 on the PP, 8-8-16 at ES.

Not exactly earth shattering numbers. So you expect us to give up a 1st line winger on many teams for a struggling kid and a mid 2nd round pick? Looking at this closer it would take Boston's 1st and Minny's 2nd as well as Colborne. The Oilers need a top end prospect or a number of quality picks in this deal. If Colborne were at .75ppg as a 20 year old I could see you getting away with only adding a 2nd, he's not even at .50ppg (.48ppg actually). Unless the Oilers scouts were very high on him I could see them passing on the trade that you proposed.

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To Edmonton:

Milan Michalek
One of David Rundblad/Jared Cowen
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To Ottawa:

Ales Hemsky
We surely don't need a guy like Michalek but the value is their. I would do a Neil+Cowen+ 2nd for Hemsky

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I know these 2 trades (Fisher and Versteeg) make a playmaking Center like Connolly now worth a 1st for sure.

Odd on Versteeg though.
Burke is like kryptonite to the Leafs roster. I really feel empathy for Leafs Nation now.
They need to get rid of this guy or they may not see the playoffs for another 6 to 8 seasons. It must be scary for them.
Connelly = UFA on 7/1

Versteeg= Under contract for one more year - then RFA

Fisher = Under contract for two more years - then UFA

Those extra years of service are huge when comparing the value to a 25 game rental.
No way that Connelly gets back a 1st rounder.

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To Edmonton:

Milan Michalek
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To Ottawa:

Ales Hemsky
Not bad although we really have no need for another LW.

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From Boston I would offer:

1 of: Colborne, Boston's 1st in 2011, Spooner, Knight
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1 of: Hamill, Boston's 2nd in 2011
Colborne and Hamill would be an interesting deal. Both could be on the Oilers roster next season rather than waiting on a 2011 draft pick to develop.

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