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06-30-2004, 04:38 AM
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Now THAT'S entertainment... :)

Sure Brad, we'll qualify you...but guess what?

It's a two way deal. How bout them apples?

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Edmont...30/520111.html

Looks to me like they actually are willing to give him one more shot at redemption, but damn if that ain't a short leash. He'll likely take it too, he hasn't a leg to stand on in arbitration.

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Sure Brad, we'll qualify you...but guess what?

It's a two way deal. How bout them apples?

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Edmont...30/520111.html

Looks to me like they actually are willing to give him one more shot at redemption, but damn if that ain't a short leash. He'll likely take it too, he hasn't a leg to stand on in arbitration.
Maybe that's the motivation he needs. That's always been his question mark. His desire to play everynight.

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Yeah, but if he gets sent down, he needs to clear waivers. There's no way he'll clear waivers, even at 2 mill/year.

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Yeah, but if he gets sent down, he needs to clear waivers. There's no way he'll clear waivers, even at 2 mill/year.
With the current cost uncertainty?

I think it would be tough to add $2mil without giving anything up.

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Yeah, but if he gets sent down, he needs to clear waivers. There's no way he'll clear waivers, even at 2 mill/year.
If he is sent down it is because he is not playing well so the Oilers would be most likely happy someone took his salary.

IMO this changes things, if he isnt producing you send him down. He is either taken by another team or he gets a minor leaque salary.

This changes my opinion about the offer.

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This changes my opinion about the offer.
He doesn't have to accept it. Has he accepted it yet? He could negotiate a 1-way deal with a lower $$ amount first?

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06-30-2004, 09:21 AM
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Thursday deadline?

Ireland and Barnes at The Journal have the deadline for qualifying offers as Thursday at midnight. Unless I've had a stroke and don't realize it, it's tonight at midnight, isn't it?

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I would actually keep the 2 way part of the offer in unless Izzy takes a major hit on a one way deal (eg a Moreau-type contract). This is a perfect scenario if Izzy becomes a liability part-way through the season - we could send him down and either he clears waivers and makes an AHL salary or another team picks up his tab. Most of the financial risk associated with signing him is now gone.

Lowe appears to be getting the hang of this GM thing

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I would actually keep the 2 way part of the offer in unless Izzy takes a major hit on a one way deal (eg a Moreau-type contract). This is a perfect scenario if Izzy becomes a liability part-way through the season - we could send him down and either he clears waivers and makes an AHL salary or another team picks up his tab. Most of the financial risk associated with signing him is now gone.

Lowe appears to be getting the hang of this GM thing
If Izzy signs this, let's hope this is the motivation he needs to play the type of excellent game he showed against Dallas that one time (was that 2 seasons ago now?!)

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Yup, this is absolutely perfect for us! We all were in the dark about being able to offer a 2-way deal if a guy played less then 60 games (or atleast nobody mentioned it). Looks like Lowe DID make the right choice in keeping Izzy's potential over Chimear. Heck who knows how little Izzy would be willing to sign for just to get a one-way deal!?

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If he is sent down it is because he is not playing well so the Oilers would be most likely happy someone took his salary.

IMO this changes things, if he isnt producing you send him down. He is either taken by another team or he gets a minor leaque salary.

This changes my opinion about the offer.
Agreed. We retain his rights to see if he can turn things around, but we have an "exit strategy" if there's no sign of improvement.

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He doesn't have to accept it. Has he accepted it yet? He could negotiate a 1-way deal with a lower $$ amount first?
Indeed. But with this strategy the Oilers retain their rights to Isbister while reducing the worst-case scenario significantly.

If Izzy is confident, he could accept this offer, believing that he'll play well enough to stay in the NHL and make his $2 million. If he's not willing to risk being sent to the minors, he could agree to a pay-cut or file for arbitration or something.

The Bruins were able to do this to Kyle MacLaren a couple of years ago, and it damaged his relationship with the team irreparably. However, MacLaren was the captain of that team (I believe) and he had established a consistent level of play when he was healthy. Isbister has to recognize that he hasn't demonstrated a level of play consistent with a $2 million salary. And I think he has to recognize that his negotiating position with the team just isn't very strong. The Oilers played a lot of last season without him in the lineup, and when he was in the lineup he just wasn't a factor very often. I don't think the Oilers are very worried about what happens if Isbister holds out.

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Well I'm definitely doing a 180 on this like most of us after reading he was qualified. This is absolutely great to see, we're actually using the CBA to our advantage here. I really couldn't imagine a better scenario for us with Isbister...

Motivation through scare tactics (sort of). Have I mentioned I love Kevin Lowe?

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Ok fess up. This is another Lowe love-in. I've read so many posters out there whining about Lowe's deals and performance. It galls me that everytime Lowe does something right, he gets the kudos for two days, then there are calls for his head a month later.

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Ok fess up. This is another Lowe love-in. I've read so many posters out there whining about Lowe's deals and performance. It galls me that everytime Lowe does something right, he gets the kudos for two days, then there are calls for his head a month later.
Frankly I think this is another example of how Lowe mis-manages the team's assets.

jk. I think its a great deal! and Nedved at $8M over 3 years would be unbelievable. I would never have expected anything less than $3.5M/season.

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Lowe deserves lots of credit for this deal - this is exactly how Izzy should have been signed!

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Lowe deserves lots of credit for this deal - this is exactly how Izzy should have been signed!
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Ireland and Barnes at The Journal have the deadline for qualifying offers as Thursday at midnight. Unless I've had a stroke and don't realize it, it's tonight at midnight, isn't it?
When they say midnight Thursday, they mean tonight. It's all the same thing.

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Next time we'll use that frame

is when you or some of the other lemmings criticize Lowe

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Interesting

I was one of the most vocal critics of Lowe's handling of the isbister contract. I still think tendering him at this much money is too much for what he brings, but this adds an interesting, and quite effective, safety net for us. If isbister contributes in a meaningful way, he stays. If he doesn't, he get sent down. I like it.

However the two way contract far from solves everything in relation to Isbister. There's still a way this could hurt us . Mainly, if Isbister is playing like crap, but because of injuries we have to keep him. That could still end up costing us a lot of money for a third/fourth liner whose overpaid body is on the roster only because, say, moreau goes down for the season. Also, we all know Mac-t/Lowe (like everyone) has their favorites who they'll play despite underperforming. For example, Laraque stopped earning his salary on the ice long ago, yet he's been rewarded by this franchise for his ineptitude with a three year deal. Let's hope that Mac-t/K lowe have the guts to send Isbister down if he's not doing well. I could see Isbister playing horribly put still staying up with us because the coaching staff likes whatever they've decieved themselves into believing he brings to the ice.

My point is, now that this clause is in the contract, let's hope they use it. I think they will, but I could see Lowe/Mac-t waiting 20-30 games too long to send him down, or not send him down at all despite another underwhelming year. Still, it's good news. And let's hope that, if they do prove to be serious about sending him down, this will actually motivate him to play well. Come on brad. Make something happen out there. Every shift. Not just once every two weeks.


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I was one of the most vocal critics of Lowe's handling of the isbister contract. I still think tendering him at this much money is too much for what he brings, but this adds an interesting, and quite effective, safety net for us. If isbister contributes in a meaningful way, he stays. If he doesn't, he get sent down. I like it.

However the two way contract far from solves everything in relation to Isbister. There's still a way this could hurt us . Mainly, if Isbister is playing like crap, but because of injuries we have to keep him. That could still end up costing us a lot of money for a third/fourth liner whose overpaid body is on the roster only because, say, moreau goes down for the season. Also, we all know Mac-t/Lowe (like everyone) has their favorites who they'll play despite underperforming. For example, Laraque stopped earning his salary on the ice long ago, yet he's been rewarded by this franchise for his ineptitude with a three year deal. Let's hope that Mac-t/K lowe have the guts to send Isbister down if he's not doing well. I could see Isbister playing horribly put still staying up with us because the coaching staff likes whatever they've decieved themselves into believing he brings to the ice.

My point is, now that this clause is in the contract, let's hope they use it. I think they will, but I could see Lowe/Mac-t waiting 20-30 games too long to send him down, or not send him down at all despite another underwhelming year. Still, it's good news. And let's hope that, if they do prove to be serious about sending him down, this will actually motivate him to play well. Come on brad. Make something happen out there. Every shift. Not just once every two weeks.
Mamett - Its just a qualifying offer, not a contract, so nothing's set in stone yet. All this allowed the Oilers to do is retain his rights, while still providing sufficient incentive for Isbister to negotiate a more reasonable salary.

However, if Isbister does accept this offer, then it is a contract and I agree with you. My money is on Isbister refusing the offer.

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First extorsion, now this, the Oilers organization sure has an interesting way with contracts

Kidding, kidding...

I like the idea, I had no idea that you could turn a qualifying offer into a 2 way contract. Man I wish we did that with Turek

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First extorsion, now this, the Oilers organization sure has an interesting way with contracts

Kidding, kidding...

I like the idea, I had no idea that you could turn a qualifying offer into a 2 way contract. Man I wish we did that with Turek
A loophole from Isbister playing fewer than 60 games last season apparently...regardless, we'll take it vs. the alternative.

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A loophole from Isbister playing fewer than 60 games last season apparently...regardless, we'll take it vs. the alternative.
From what I recall, Bobby Clark did the same to Lindros a couple of years ago when Lindros played less than 60 games. Lindros didn't go for it though because of his agent father. Hate that guy.

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From what I recall, Bobby Clark did the same to Lindros a couple of years ago when Lindros played less than 60 games. Lindros didn't go for it though because of his agent father. Hate that guy.
Good memory. I remember that now. The Lindros camp was absolutely fuming when he saw the two-way item in the qualifying offer. :lol

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