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02-16-2011, 09:59 PM
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Komisarek + Philly 1st to another team for a late fourth round pick: Toronto wins that trade.

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I'd be content with the Leafs to give him a bit more time. I know fans love to rag on him, but hes been fairly solid in quite a few games this season. Obviously we'd rather be spending that money on a PMD or Top-6 forward, but I'd much rather him play a solid 10 mins a night than trade him (and give away assets to move him) and have Lebda play those 10 mins (which would be atrocious).

I think Komi's mistakes are blow completely out of proportion by Leafs nation.

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02-16-2011, 10:21 PM
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I'd be content with the Leafs to give him a bit more time. I know fans love to rag on him, but hes been fairly solid in quite a few games this season. Obviously we'd rather be spending that money on a PMD or Top-6 forward, but I'd much rather him play a solid 10 mins a night than trade him (and give away assets to move him) and have Lebda play those 10 mins (which would be atrocious).

I think Komi's mistakes are blow completely out of proportion by Leafs nation.
Completely agreed. Play him with a more competent handler of the puck and he's quite good as support. Normalized stats show he's a great hitter and blocks shots very well.

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I'd be content with the Leafs to give him a bit more time. I know fans love to rag on him, but hes been fairly solid in quite a few games this season. Obviously we'd rather be spending that money on a PMD or Top-6 forward, but I'd much rather him play a solid 10 mins a night than trade him (and give away assets to move him) and have Lebda play those 10 mins (which would be atrocious).

I think Komi's mistakes are blow completely out of proportion by Leafs nation.
amen... preach on brotha'!!!

I think he'll take the offseason to get in better shape, get his head in the game and hopefully get 100% healthy. he hasn't been the same since his injury... he's slooooowly coming along. I see glimpses.

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02-16-2011, 10:39 PM
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Komisarek + Philly 1st to another team for a late fourth round pick: Toronto wins that trade.
You're not funny.

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Komisarek + Philly 1st to another team for a late fourth round pick: Toronto wins that trade.
I'd rather do Komisarek + Philly's first to move up the board.

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time and time again it's funny reading these posts and people saying...
Player X isn't worth a bag of Lays Chips no one will take him blah blah blah

just to be proven wrong... lol

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02-16-2011, 10:51 PM
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I'd rather do Komisarek + Philly's first to move up the board.
What a coincidence, I'd rather sleep with Jessica Alba than Jennifer Anniston.

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I'd be content with the Leafs to give him a bit more time. I know fans love to rag on him, but hes been fairly solid in quite a few games this season. Obviously we'd rather be spending that money on a PMD or Top-6 forward, but I'd much rather him play a solid 10 mins a night than trade him (and give away assets to move him) and have Lebda play those 10 mins (which would be atrocious).

I think Komi's mistakes are blow completely out of proportion by Leafs nation.
He's played a solid 10 minutes a night the entire season. Things aren't going to change for him here. Toronto needs his cap space to get a guy who can move the puck so Aulie plays Komisarek's minutes.

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02-16-2011, 10:57 PM
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the smartest thing is to wait it out another year and see if his value improves next year.

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I'd rather do Komisarek + Philly's first to move up the board.


Yea..... that's not going to happen.

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He's played a solid 10 minutes a night the entire season. Things aren't going to change for him here. Toronto needs his cap space to get a guy who can move the puck so Aulie plays Komisarek's minutes.
Aulie played 23:50 in tonights win in Buffalo, hes already getting the minutes.

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He's played a solid 10 minutes a night the entire season. Things aren't going to change for him here. Toronto needs his cap space to get a guy who can move the puck so Aulie plays Komisarek's minutes.
Why?
The guy has been fine in his role, that pairing is clicking, showing chemistry, doing its job.

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02-16-2011, 11:54 PM
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Aulie played 23:50 in tonights win in Buffalo, hes already getting the minutes.
That needs to change if Toronto actually wants to become a legitimate playoff team.

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Why?
The guy has been fine in his role, that pairing is clicking, showing chemistry, doing its job.
Factor in a sophmore slump for him next year, and needing much more puckmoving than either of them can provide, and it makes sense to stick Aulie on the 3rd pair behind Phaneuf & Schenn.

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That needs to change if Toronto actually wants to become a legitimate playoff team.



Factor in a sophmore slump for him next year, and needing much more puckmoving than either of them can provide, and it makes sense to stick Aulie on the 3rd pair behind Phaneuf & Schenn.
He MAY have a sophmore slump, he may not.
As for puck movement, so far other then the one game where our hole D sucked, they've been very good.

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02-17-2011, 12:08 AM
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Leafs fan here. Komisarek most definitely has negative value. Having said that, I think he'd look a LOT better on a team that played a simple defensive system ala New Jersey or Boston. (Said differently, he'd play a LOT better with a coach like Julien or Lemaire. Pat Burns would have loved him, Ron Wilson surely does not.

An interesting aside - quite a few players in the league now have negative value by my estimation. Only a few have been jettisoned to the minors (Souray, Redden, Finger). It would be fun (but time consuming) to try and come up with a complete list.

I'd reckon most of such staltwarts (or former staltwarts) as Lecavalier, Phaneuf, Spezza, Gomez, Drury, Campbell, Giguere, Briere, Savard, Malone...) would pass easily through waivers if put on today. Interesting conundrum for both sides in the next CBA...

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02-17-2011, 12:18 AM
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Leafs fan here. Komisarek most definitely has negative value. Having said that, I think he'd look a LOT better on a team that played a simple defensive system ala New Jersey or Boston. (Said differently, he'd play a LOT better with a coach like Julien or Lemaire. Pat Burns would have loved him, Ron Wilson surely does not.

An interesting aside - quite a few players in the league now have negative value by my estimation. Only a few have been jettisoned to the minors (Souray, Redden, Finger). It would be fun (but time consuming) to try and come up with a complete list.

I'd reckon most of such staltwarts (or former staltwarts) as Lecavalier, Phaneuf, Spezza, Gomez, Drury, Campbell, Giguere, Briere, Savard, Malone...) would pass easily through waivers if put on today. Interesting conundrum for both sides in the next CBA...
r u serious? the isles would easily take them and thats just one team i know for sure... the panthers jackets, hell any team that could afford any of them would take them.. lecavalier is the borderline one but saying briere or Spezza wouldn't... bravo on your part worst comment yet

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r u serious? the isles would easily take them and thats just one team i know for sure... the panthers jackets, hell any team that could afford any of them would take them.. lecavalier is the borderline one but saying briere or Spezza wouldn't... bravo on your part worst comment yet
Please read the word "most" in the beginning of the sentence.

Agreed the isles would probably take one of those three, but all have BIG dollars and term left on their contracts. There aren't many teams with both cap space and cash to spend.

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Please read the word "most" in the beginning of the sentence.

Agreed the isles would probably take one of those three, but all have BIG dollars and term left on their contracts. There aren't many teams with both cap space and cash to spend.
okay, fair but comparing komisarek to some of these guys is not right. he had a couple good years while playing with markhov. Some of the guys listed were legit players for there teams winning the cup. Also given the point in time i think that a couple of them would be claimed off of re-entry waivers (upcoming UFA's) by contenders.

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okay, fair but comparing komisarek to some of these guys is not right. he had a couple good years while playing with markhov. Some of the guys listed were legit players for there teams winning the cup. Also given the point in time i think that a couple of them would be claimed off of re-entry waivers (upcoming UFA's) by contenders.
Fully agreed, never meant to compare them to komisarek in any way other that they may share his trait of negative value. the names I listed were the higher and longer contracts on capgeeks top 100 salaries that maybe aren't playing up to their salary/term... I imagine there are quite a few more with negative value out there. As I said, makes for a tricky problem from both the player and the management perspective.

Also completely agree with you about him and markov. Playing under guy carboneau helped too I'd say.

I bet the Devils might have considered taking Komi for Rolston earlier in the year, but probably not now...

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Simple really... with Aulie's emergence, Toronto has to move him. They can't be spending $4.5m for a defenceman to grossly underachieve on the 3rd pair of a team where he's a major misfit, and when they have 3 younger guys (2 of whom are cheaper, the other is the captain) who play his role. The Beauchemin deal is also a good framework, treating Komisarek as Lupul.

Toronto should be willing to do one of the following:
1. Take on a defenceman in return with more puckmoving ability.
2. Take on a bonafide top 6 centre who is overpaid by UFA standards in the same region as Komisarek (less than $1.5m)
3. Take on a big top 6 LWer. (again overpaid by less than $1.5m)
4. Give up assets for a team to take him and not send salary beyond this year in return.

might be just me, but i think a komasarek for souray deal in the offseason could make some good sense. even make the deal now if the two teams want.

i know komasarek has a couple extra years on his deal, but frankly edmonton cant attract ufa and do need a legit NHL caliber dman with size/snarl to his game. In the best case scenerio, Komasarek bounces back to Montreal form and becomes a decent 3/4 20 min per game guy... in worst case, Edmonton gets a big guy with a decent attitude to upgrade their 5/6 pairing and moves a problem they have

as for souray... he has never failed to produce when he plays healthy in the nhl in recent seasons. i know he gets hurt... i know he really burnt bridges with oiler management... but i also know he never had any problems in montreal or jersey with his 'attitude'

the big complaint anyone can have against souray is he is overpaid alot... but then so is komasarek.

both guys actually have been very highly respected dmen as recently as a couple seasons ago... both have had washed out years the last 2 seasons. i know this deal wont excite anyone, but it seems fair and reasonable to me and i feel it does address both teams needs.

if the two teams wanted to include a small oiler forward for some toronto draft pick as part of the deal too, then i think it makes even more sense. im pretty sure cogliano needs a change of scenery and pretty sure he has a decent chance to play top line center in toronto.

anyhow... my main proposal is komasarek for souray... make it happen then deal Souray to Boston at the deadline for a pick cause once his contract is over, he is exactly the type of guy i want on my team to wind down his career at half the cost to be our PP specialist

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might be just me, but i think a komasarek for souray deal in the offseason could make some good sense. even make the deal now if the two teams want.

i know komasarek has a couple extra years on his deal, but frankly edmonton cant attract ufa and do need a legit NHL caliber dman with size/snarl to his game. In the best case scenerio, Komasarek bounces back to Montreal form and becomes a decent 3/4 20 min per game guy... in worst case, Edmonton gets a big guy with a decent attitude to upgrade their 5/6 pairing and moves a problem they have

as for souray... he has never failed to produce when he plays healthy in the nhl in recent seasons. i know he gets hurt... i know he really burnt bridges with oiler management... but i also know he never had any problems in montreal or jersey with his 'attitude'

the big complaint anyone can have against souray is he is overpaid alot... but then so is komasarek.

both guys actually have been very highly respected dmen as recently as a couple seasons ago... both have had washed out years the last 2 seasons. i know this deal wont excite anyone, but it seems fair and reasonable to me and i feel it does address both teams needs.

if the two teams wanted to include a small oiler forward for some toronto draft pick as part of the deal too, then i think it makes even more sense. im pretty sure cogliano needs a change of scenery and pretty sure he has a decent chance to play top line center in toronto.

anyhow... my main proposal is komasarek for souray... make it happen then deal Souray to Boston at the deadline for a pick cause once his contract is over, he is exactly the type of guy i want on my team to wind down his career at half the cost to be our PP specialist
If Toronto can send Komisarek to Carolina and take back only expiring contracts, then Edmonton would have to seriously pony up for us to take Souray. Toronto needs a puckmover, and Souray is really nothing more than a shooter like Phaneuf.

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time and time again it's funny reading these posts and people saying...
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just to be proven wrong... lol
And then Commodore, Souray and Redden clears waivers, reinforcing the point that bad contracts are killers in this day and age.

Rolston even cleared re-entry waivers. Meaning even half his contract has negative value.

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Komisarek and his agent have to be thanking Canadiens fans for driving up his value the year he signed. How this guy ever got voted into the All-Star game is beyond me, and I'm sure at contract negotiation time, it got him an extra million atleast for what he was actually worth. And since then, his values dropped even more.

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I think the best the Leafs can hope for is to waive Komi and upon recall hope someone picks him up at half price. Thats about all he's worth.

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