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02-18-2011, 10:59 PM
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Hawks cant afford Sopel and even if we could

Our bottom 6 is worthess as is ,,, Take away Stalberg and that means John Scott finishes rest of season as regular on 4th line

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02-18-2011, 11:01 PM
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Hawks cant afford Sopel and even if we could

Our bottom 6 is worthess as is ,,, Take away Stalberg and that means John Scott finishes rest of season as regular on 4th line
No, Chicago calls up Smith/Makarov/Klinkhammer to finish the season on 4th line. This season is over, this could be the end of "the core" for all we know and maybe it should be.

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No, Chicago calls up Smith/Makarov/Klinkhammer to finish the season on 4th line. This season is over, this could be the end of "the core" for all we know and maybe it should be.
Hawks aren't giving Smith or Makarov a look ,,, Bowman has made it pretty clear he prefers Scott/Stalberg getting 3-4 minutes a game then giving either of those 2 a look

No point for either Scott or Stalberg to have been on team as long as they have (Stalberg shouldn't have been on it to begin with)

Klinkhammer is worthless ,, He is not an NHL talent

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02-18-2011, 11:12 PM
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Hawks aren't giving Smith or Makarov a look ,,, Bowman has made it pretty clear he prefers Scott/Stalberg getting 3-4 minutes a game then giving either of those 2 a look

No point for either Scott or Stalberg to have been on team as long as they have (Stalberg shouldn't have been on it to begin with)

Klinkhammer is worthless ,, He is not an NHL talent
Q decided who made the team, can't blame Bowman because the Coach can't see Stalberg and Scott are bums.

Klinkhammer is nothing but a plug who'll play hard a physical, definately not a permanent solution.

You have to stop the Bowman hate. Q is far more to blame then Bowman.

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02-18-2011, 11:20 PM
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Q decided who made the team, can't blame Bowman because the Coach can't see Stalberg and Scott are bums.

Klinkhammer is nothing but a plug who'll play hard a physical, definately not a permanent solution.

You have to stop the Bowman hate. Q is far more to blame then Bowman.
Who do you think got those bums?

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02-18-2011, 11:23 PM
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Who do you think got those bums?
In the off-season they weren't horrible additions. Scott addressed toughness lost and Stalberg was widely considered a solid prospect coming off a decent rookie season on a horrible team. They weren't horrible at the time, but now? It's Q who plays them and no one else.

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In the off-season they weren't horrible additions. Scott addressed toughness lost and Stalberg was widely considered a solid prospect coming off a decent rookie season on a horrible team. They weren't horrible at the time, but now? It's Q who plays them and no one else.
Because we have no cap space and Bowman won't flip them for a new bag of pucks/ waive them.

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Because we have no cap space and Bowman won't flip them for a new bag of pucks/ waive them.
So no cap space is Bowman's fault?

Tallon gave out horrible contracts while he was here, and I'm not just talking about Campbell and Huet.

Bolland, Byfuglien, Barker, Versteeg - all overpaid by 1M each.. that 4M extra cap would have meant keeping 2 of Ladd, Verteeg, Buff.

Then Obviously Campbell was overpaid by about 1.5M, Huet should never have been signed.

So what, I'm at 5.5M extra cap space + if Huet isn't signed then Toews & Kane Bonuses don't effect the cap this season.

Bowman has done nothing but get Chicago out of a massive, super, failure of a cap mess and aquire some nice pieces going forward.

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So no cap space is Bowman's fault?
He's kept the worthless players (Scott Stalberg Boynton Cullimore Johnson) on the roster as extra players instead of cutting/waiving/getting a bag of pucks for them.

Look, I like Bowman, I think he's a great GM. But he's made some mistakes (as has Q) and they've (both of them) yet to fix them.

Except for Skille. They realized he was worthless in his current role.

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He's kept the worthless players (Scott Stalberg Boynton Cullimore Johnson) on the roster as extra players instead of cutting/waiving/getting a bag of pucks for them.

Look, I like Bowman, I think he's a great GM. But he's made some mistakes (as has Q) and they've (both of them) yet to fix them.

Except for Skille. They realized he was worthless in his current role.
That's no his decision.

Johnson is better then Dowell, Dowell like 3/4 of out centre's can't win a draw, Johnson is a faceoff specialist. Scott makes the league minimum and only plays during emergencies, would you rather have Smith/Makarov up sitting on the sidline? Stalberg is worthless, why he even made the team is beyond me - coaching decision. Cullimore was waived when Q finally deemed him to suck, and Boynton is the only other Dman on the team or in the system that you'd actually want on the roster because Vish/Olsen/Lalonde playing 5 mins a night isn't good for their developement.

Bowman has done everything right. Q is the one that played Cullimore and Boynton. Q is the one that played Turco against team's we're trying to catch. Q is the one that plays Stalberg. Q is the one giving Kopecky PP time and top 6 time. Q is the one that thinks Seabs > Keith/Campbell on the PP.

When it ****ing mattered tonight in the final minute, Havvy did the smart thing and kept Kopecky on the bench, Q would have had him out there with the goalie pulled, he's a dip stick. Did it result in a goal? No, but Chicago has rarely scored in the final minute when they're down by one the past 2 season's, this one is no different.

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Bowman's biggest mistake was carrying so many extra's all year it ate up our cap room

Example is for last few weeks we have been carrying

Scott , Boynton/Hendry (1 not playing at a time) and Johnson as extra skaters

No need to have all of them sitting in press box eating up cap room

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Scott makes the league minimum and only plays during emergencies, would you rather have Smith/Makarov up sitting on the sidline? Stalberg is worthless, why he even made the team is beyond me - coaching decision. Cullimore was waived when Q finally deemed him to suck, and Boynton is the only other Dman on the team or in the system that you'd actually want on the roster because Vish/Olsen/Lalonde playing 5 mins a night isn't good for their developement.
No, I'd rather have Scott in Siberia and have Hendry as my utility F/D with Johnson as a backup. No need to have 4 guys in the press box. When I said no cap space, I meant the fact that we can't even add a guy making 1.7m without sending someone down or away. We surely could have had the space if we didn't have Scott Johnson and Boynton in the press box every game.

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Bowman's biggest mistake was carrying so many extra's all year it ate up our cap room

Example is for last few weeks we have been carrying

Scott , Boynton/Hendry (1 not playing at a time) and Johnson as extra skaters

No need to have all of them sitting in press box eating up cap room
Why would you send any of the players down though? Johnson should be our 4th centre every night, Scott is an injury fill in at forward and Boynton should be an injury fill in at D.

You're not going to send them to the AHL just to sit because Rockford can't afford to give them playing time. All the players make the league minimum outside of Hendry who makes 100K more then the league minimum and is playing.

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Why would you send any of the players down though? Johnson should be our 4th centre every night, Scott is an injury fill in at forward and Boynton should be an injury fill in at D.

You're not going to send them to the AHL just to sit because Rockford can't afford to give them playing time. All the players make the league minimum outside of Hendry who makes 100K more then the league minimum and is playing.
Scott plays 2-4 minutes a night when he dresses ,, He is not a player just a sideshow

If Johnson is playing then Dowell would be extra forward

Boynton being a brutal player you are correct as he would be our #7 dman

So basically it comes down to Scott serving no function at all and thus eating up cap room

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OK, I gave you a chance but you're done. Say hi to flapjack for me.

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Trading a prospect for Sopel? Terrible trade especially since he isn't going to solve any of our problems.

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Trading a prospect for Sopel? Terrible trade especially since he isn't going to solve any of our problems.
It doesn't matter anyway we cant afford Sopel

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[STL/COL] Erik Johnson, McClement, 1st for Kevin Shattenkirk, Chris Stewart, 2nd

Wow!!!!!!!

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I think St. Louis got the better part of that deal. What do you think?

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The pick is apparantly protected ( I didn't think NHL allowed that)

So if Blues finish with top 10 pick this year the Avs get 2012 pick instead

I think the Blues got better end of deal ,,, I am still not sold on Johnson being the dman he was supposed to be when they drafted him

Stewart though is playing with a hand issue this year so his effectiveness could be ? down stretch

I think Blues are too far out of playoff picture to make a run so I think this is a deal by both teams for the future

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The cluster**** that is John McD has taken full force. I hate it but I laugh at all you idiots that thought that the new org actually cared. I warned, explained but I'm just another poster.

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Having Chris Stewart in the division blows for us. He's an absolute force.

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Seabrook + CC for Murray + Demers + Niemi --> would like it and would work with Cap

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I can live without seabs/hammer/hossa/kopecky and a couple of the bottom six going forward. Put some more young prospects in the line up and maybe a few big bodies too. I like leddy a lot, have high hopes for olsen too. Get a decent center and bring in depth. We don't need any more huge contracts at the moment.

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Dowell plays what, 5 minutes a night? He can't win a faceoff, like most of our centre's and isn't overly physical.

If you're talking about winning a clutch faceoff on the PK, then I'm all for taking Johnson over him. Dowell 2-way game is overrated and he doesn't win faceoffs... He's easily replaced.

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