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So if you are newy don't you have to trade Richards

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02-16-2011, 08:51 AM
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So if you are newy don't you have to trade Richards

The Dallas board generally disagrees but the realities are they have uncertain ownership, a below average defense and they could lose their best player for nothing at year end. I think they have to trade Richards which would bring at least a #1 and a good/excellent near ready prospect-who are the likely suitors and what is the return league-wide dallas could expect? Defensive prospects are a need and a decent center prospect/player, pp qb?

I personally would also trade Neal for young defense who benefits greatly from Richards but that is me.

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02-16-2011, 09:02 AM
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Hockey is a business, and in that sense, they won't trade him before a playoff push if they're still division leaders. Every additional playoff game means millions of dollars in the pockets of the owners, so it is in THEIR best interest as a struggling franchise to make money. And by doing so, it can easily be justified as fans would be pretty pissed off if they traded Richards just before playoffs anyways.

The only deal that would see Richards shipped is a hefty package that send back another younger and less effective #1 center along with a package of picks/prospects.

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02-16-2011, 09:09 AM
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Hockey is a business, and in that sense, they won't trade him before a playoff push if they're still division leaders. Every additional playoff game means millions of dollars in the pockets of the owners, so it is in THEIR best interest as a struggling franchise to make money. And by doing so, it can easily be justified as fans would be pretty pissed off if they traded Richards just before playoffs anyways.

The only deal that would see Richards shipped is a hefty package that send back another younger and less effective #1 center along with a package of picks/prospects.
No ones going to send a #1 Center (the most valuable position in Hockey) + picks and prospects for an expiring contract. IF he wants to leave, and he talks extension with the trading partner before the trade, then that's a different story...

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The goal is to win the cup... Richards worst case is the Stars playoff rental

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If you know your not keeping him, an everyone else does, wouldn't he be of much less value since anyone could get him on July 1 if in fact he's not going to stay in Dallas. I don't think dallas is looking to move him, if they have a below avg defense and a lackluster offense they wouldn't be 2 points out of third in the west.... I think they stick with him and taken run at the playoffs.

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The Dallas board generally disagrees but the realities are they have uncertain ownership, a below average defense and they could lose their best player for nothing at year end. I think they have to trade Richards which would bring at least a #1 and a good/excellent near ready prospect-who are the likely suitors and what is the return league-wide dallas could expect? Defensive prospects are a need and a decent center prospect/player, pp qb?

I personally would also trade Neal for young defense who benefits greatly from Richards but that is me.

If Newy has any brains at all in his head, he'd see that Richards is a premier player in the NHL and do anything in his power to keep him and build around him. The Stars need better defence and some better depth, but thats about it. If they lose Richards....they have a lot to replace in my eyes. The only way I trade Richards at the deadline is if Richards asks for the trade, if he doesn't...then he stays and I re-sign him at the end of the season.

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If you know your not keeping him, an everyone else does, wouldn't he be of much less value since anyone could get him on July 1 if in fact he's not going to stay in Dallas. I don't think dallas is looking to move him, if they have a below avg defense and a lackluster offense they wouldn't be 2 points out of third in the west.... I think they stick with him and taken run at the playoffs.
No he doesn't have less value because he's no use to a team on July 1st when they want to win the cup this year.

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The goal is to win the cup... Richards worst case is the Stars playoff rental
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It would make sense to move him if the Stars were sitting well below a playoff spot...but they are 1 point out of 1st in their division. They need Richards right now.

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I would trade him because I think he is going to leave them unless they can match an offer from Toronto or New York. It would set the franchise back for years if he leaves for nothing, even if they win the Cup this year with him.

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I would trade him because I think he is going to leave them unless they can match an offer from Toronto or New York. It would set the franchise back for years if he leaves for nothing, even if they win the Cup this year with him.
This is Dallas we're talking about, if they won the cup they would be ecstatic at the earnings alone.

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Richards to Boston (E5)

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Buffalo has a center who is not nearly as productive in Tim Connolly, and they are are not in as good of a position to make the playoffs as Dallas. Most Sabres fans agree he is gone at the end of the season, yet the sane ones agree we can't trade him. Why? Playoff revenue matters.

No way would I move Richards.

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Guys with concussions (allegedly) are not exactly at the peak of their trade value. Richards could be back in a week or it could be a couple of months..

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Playoff revenue matters.
No way would I move Richards.
Richards is an asset that could bring a return that makes Dallas a perenial playoff team. If he walks at the end of the year, they'll be a team scraping to get into the playoffs for the forseable future. I love what Kari Lehtonen is doing for Dallas and my fantasy team this year, but let's not forget his injury history so quick. This team needs to beef up and spread the wealth through the roster rather than keep Richards as a rental for one playoff run. They need to get good and stay good every year like Nashville.

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depends where they sit on deadline day id imagine. if the stars continue to slide then they probably look to deal him. if they feel they can still make a deep run in the playoffs they keep him.

2 recent star players heading for FA at the deadline got dealt for a 1st, good prospect, roster player, young roster player.

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Richards is an asset that could bring a return that makes Dallas a perenial playoff team. If he walks at the end of the year, they'll be a team scraping to get into the playoffs for the forseable future. I love what Kari Lehtonen is doing for Dallas and my fantasy team this year, but let's not forget his injury history so quick. This team needs to beef up and spread the wealth through the roster rather than keep Richards as a rental for one playoff run. They need to get good and stay good every year like Nashville.
Don't think Richards would bring in a return that could make Dallas a perennial playoff team, if he was actually being shopped I imagine the price would be late 1st + decent young player + good but not great prospect + salary dump. Nothing in that package is going to guarantee Dallas because a perennial playoff team.

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As a kings fan I'd give up a first, the stars choice of D prospect (voinov, hickey, muezzin, teubert), and a roster forward (i.e parse, ponikarovski, Richardson, Lewis) for James Neal in a heartbeat.

I could see a trade like that being much more beneficial for the stars than trading away Richards.

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I still see Richards to Calgary. Stajan, Regehr and 3rd going back.

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Don't think Richards would bring in a return that could make Dallas a perennial playoff team, if he was actually being shopped I imagine the price would be late 1st + decent young player + good but not great prospect + salary dump. Nothing in that package is going to guarantee Dallas because a perennial playoff team.
One never knows... but Kovalchuk didn't bring anything that changed the fortunes of the Thrashers, for example. A 1st is nice. Oduya is a solid enough citizen. Cormier a decent banger. Bergfors is in and out. They made better trades and took more important steps forward with other deals, however.

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As a kings fan I'd give up a first, the stars choice of D prospect (voinov, hickey, muezzin, teubert), and a roster forward (i.e parse, ponikarovski, Richardson, Lewis) for James Neal in a heartbeat.

I could see a trade like that being much more beneficial for the stars than trading away Richards.
I wouldn't include the 1st and I would take Voynov and Lewis out of the mix.

Something more like Hickey/Muzzin/Teubert + Parse/Moller/Richardson and a 2nd round pick.

Regarding the OP: I think the Stars should trade Richards. Even if he re-signs he isn't going to be around long enough to see Dallas fix the problems on the blueline that need to be taken care of before they are legit contenders.

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No he doesn't have less value because he's no use to a team on July 1st when they want to win the cup this year.
I understand that but league wide, for a team like the rangers on the cusp of being a contender, he would he of lesser value, teams like the rangers and Toronto are not going to lay out assets for a guy that might or might not stay put. His value might not be lowered much but his market, and the amount of teams willing to pay what he's worth have decreased given his current situation. Or at least that's how I see it.

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Since Richards is comingto NYR anyway, and seeing how Neal is mentioned in the opening of the thread:

To NYR
Richards & Neal
To Dallas
MDZ, Grachev & a 1st rd. pick.

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I still see Richards to Calgary. Stajan, Regehr and 3rd going back.
Cool, then he can come sign in Edmonton in the summer....

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Since Richards is comingto NYR anyway, and seeing how Neal is mentioned in the opening of the thread:

To NYR
Richards & Neal
To Dallas
MDZ, Grachev & a 1st rd. pick.
Really ? I am not even a stars fan and i see that they would say No to that.

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Since Richards is comingto NYR anyway, and seeing how Neal is mentioned in the opening of the thread:

To NYR
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To Dallas
MDZ, Grachev & a 1st rd. pick.
Not enough.

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