I would take Schenn on my team any day. Having said that, at this point in their career, I pick Subban ahead of Schenn. Defensive D's are a lot easier to find that offensive D's. You only have to look at how many teams are looking for puck moving D's in this league to figure that out. Hal Gill, Josh Gorges, Roman Hamrlik can bring you some sound D in your own zone. Not that I'm equating them to Schenn but you should get the picture. Out of all those, only Hamrlik can provide any offense on a regular basis and that's because PK is a rookie.
Answer me this. Add Schenn to the Habs' D. He plays 5 on 5, so does PK. He plays on the penalty kill, so does PK. Does he play the PP. PK is called upon at the start of the PP.
Also, last minute of a game. Down by 1 goal. PK is on the ice, is Schenn. What about up a goal, do you still put PK on. I'm okay with him there. I'd prefer Schenn. I would be fine with both on if one played the left side.
The choice is easy to make. I chose PK. Although I take Schenn on my team any day.
try to find a player like Subban in a trade or at the deadline/UFA market... it's gonna cost you a LOT.
A defensive player like Schenn? You might get one that is SLIGHTLY worse, but that will do the job without emptying your team or destroying your cap space for it. And a good goaler can make up for a slightly worse shutdown defenseman, it can't make up for a lack of offensive defensemen.
So I'd much rather already have Subban than already have Schenn.
Schenn is the most overrated player on the Leafs, but the key notion to retain is that we are talking about the Leafs and Leafs fans. They overrated all of their players, and Schenn is no exception.
The thing you can use to squash this argument is this: Subban is in his rookie season with similar or better stats than Schenn, the whole league is talking about Subban in one way or another and he had an all-star game appearance (albeit as a rookie, and as a replacement)
schenn is a better defensive defenseman right now, but subban is still in his rookie year.
subban is a better all around defenseman. he can lead the rush and take the puck end to end, score goals, quarterback a pp, play the penalty kill, lay out huge hits and fight.
the subban type of defenseman is a lot more valuable than a purely defensive defenseman that schenn is.
Hell no he's not!!! Is Schenn playing +25 min against the other teams top line? Is he playing on the 1st pk wave?
Was having a discussion with a few coworkers last night as to who was better, Schenn or Subban.
Mind you I'm a habs fan and they're leafs fans,
You're from Montreal and you work with Leaf fans? There are Leaf fans living in Montreal! Isn't that breaking some kind of law of physics? Shouldn't the universe implode now?
Id take subban bcecause of his offensive flair. We had a shutdown guy that was very good. His name is komisarek and we saw how that turned out once we took away the talented guy that was playing next to him. Schenn is a very good player but if i want to build a defensive core the first thing id want to have in my group is a player like Subban because of all the scenarios we can put him. But i think a pairing of these two would be lethal though.
Schenn is gonna be really good but offensively Subban will be miles ahead. It's close for me because I feel that Schenn's got the potential to be a poor man's Scott Stevens. He plays a pretty fearless game and hes got a good frame for his age. It's too close for me to call but I'm happy we've got Subban.
You compare both skill levels right now, can't say you are wrong.
But if you had to take a guess, which of the two players has the highest potential of further development?
PK without a doubt imo. Schenn is already a good defensive shutdown dman though, those who think otherwise don't watch him play enough.
The one thing that holds Schenn back from ever becoming a top dman is his lack of any kind of offensive potential. He doesn't have any upside offensively, what you see is what you get, but he is a very good, young defensive dman.
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PK without a doubt imo. Schenn is already a good defensive shutdown dman though, those who think otherwise don't watch him play enough.
The one thing that holds Schenn back from ever becoming a top dman is his lack of any kind of offensive potential. He doesn't have any upside offensively, what you see is what you get, but he is a very good, young defensive dman.
Of course he's a solid shutdown D but aside from that what is he?
PK is in his first year so it's tough to say, I just see PK as the type to be great at both ends. He might not be Schenn defensively/physically but I'd be willing to argue by the time he develops into the player he will one day become, he'll be leaps and bounds better offensively and almost as good in his own end.
I don't see Schenn becoming a good offensive contributor.
So while right now on paper Schenn may have the better strong point, imo it's only a matter of time before he's not even considered in the same league as PK. There's something to be said about a player that isn't as one-dimensional, even if he isn't as good in one of those dimensions as the other player is in their only dimension.
Subban has a better shot, better passer, although doesn't hit as much his hit's are much harder, there momentum changers, he's a better skater, only thing shenn has on him right now is he is a little bit more steady in his own end, but that's also cause he has a full year on PK in the nhl, PK will be on the next team canada squad mark it down, shenn will not
Only way to truly find out which is better is to have them both playing for the same team. Toronto needs to trade Schenn to Montreal for AK. It's a good deal for both teams since AK Grabo Kessel would be a very good line. If they need a D we can send Spacek for a 2nd rounder.
P.K. is good two way defender. He's very responsible with the puck, has good passing and vision, a good shot and is good in his own end. The one thing I'd like to see more of, is his hitting. He's a big guy and very strong too, so he should be throwing more of those big hits.
Schenn is VERY good defensively. He's young too, which means he's only going to get better. He also throws lots of hits and is solid in his own end. His own problem, as mentioned, is lack of offensive output.
Obviously, P.K. is a sexier pick, but I'd take Schenn on my team any day of the week and pair him with Subban.
You're right, it depends on the team's needs. If the habs had let's say markov AND kaberle then they would need a schenn more. They are different types of defensemen. If I had to choose, I would take subban not because I believe he is better but because I think he's a lot more marketable, he makes fans excited. His contribution to the team might be the same, more or less but he will eventually have more value because he can potentially make more money for whatever team he's on. Right now you'll see many fans in toronto wearing schenn jerseys but that's because they don't have very much else. How many colorado fans have foote jerseys? He's just as important for their past success as a blake but you can't sell that type of player as well.
P.K. is good two way defender. He's very responsible with the puck, has good passing and vision, a good shot and is good in his own end. The one thing I'd like to see more of, is his hitting. He's a big guy and very strong too, so he should be throwing more of those big hits.
Schenn is VERY good defensively. He's young too, which means he's only going to get better. He also throws lots of hits and is solid in his own end. His own problem, as mentioned, is lack of offensive output.
Obviously, P.K. is a sexier pick, but I'd take Schenn on my team any day of the week and pair him with Subban.
PK leads all NHL rookie defenseman with 83 hits. You can see that he's still trying to perfect his timing when it comes to hitting. It'll come with time.
Schenn on the other hand leads all NHL defenseman with 174 hits.
Hell no he's not!!! Is Schenn playing +25 min against the other teams top line? Is he playing on the 1st pk wave?
If we had a full roster, PK would not be playing close to 25+ minutes per game on a regular basis. Even with all the injuries, he only averages just over 21 minutes per. Which is also lower than what Schenn averages I might add.
Again you need to do some research. Schenn leads all Leaf players, not just defenseman in average PK time per game. So I'd say that yes, he does play on the 1st wave.
Personally I like PK better, but I would love to have Schenn on our defense.
You're from Montreal and you work with Leaf fans? There are Leaf fans living in Montreal! Isn't that breaking some kind of law of physics? Shouldn't the universe implode now?
I moved to Hamilton in january. Forgot about updating my HF profile.
I haven't seen much of Schenn.. I only remember my friends complaining about him the last few years (except this one) so doesn't seem like his entry was as explosive as Subbans, but he was younger than Subban when he came in the league on a terrible team.
All that being said I can't imagine watching all 82 leafs games and seeing Schenn clearing the puck a little better and having a few extra hits a game make me think to myself that I'd rather have that on my team than a defense man that can take the puck in his own end skate through four players and get a shot on net on a regular basis. When Subban adds a bit more finish to those plays and players start realizing they need to hop on the rush when they see him doing that players are going to have a lot more respect for PK's game.
There's not a lot of players in the last few years that make me litterally get out of my seat when they decide to get on a rush the way PK does. In a few years from now he's going to be one of the most exciting defense men in the league playing on a VERY boring team. Give me PK any day if he's going to add excitement to JM's team. PK is playing against the other teams top line on a regular basis in his rookie year, and played 29 minutes last night while still being completely spectacular in OT... Has Schenn ever played 29 minutes lol
3-4 years from now it won't even be a discussion.. It definitely won't be anything like the Markov Kaberle debate because Subban / Schenn are completely different defense men while Markov and Kaberle are extremely simillar
