Just proving that their offensive ceilings may not be far off from one another. If people think Weise wouldnt be dominating college hockey right now they are sorely mistaken.
I like Hagelin. I actually like him quite a bit. I said it before that I think he can be a John Madden type of player in the NHL. But Weise is a better prospect than he is given credit for. He is the type of player good teams have on their lower lines that help you win games. Heart and soul player.
I think one of the main things working against Weise, is the emergence of Brandon Prust. Who provides pretty much exactly what would be expected of Dale.
I think one of the main things working against Weise, is the emergence of Brandon Prust. Who provides pretty much exactly what would be expected of Dale.
That and the Rangers don't seem to place much emphasis on potential 4th line role players in our prospect pool... I think they feel they can fill those roles elsewhere or with FA signings, rather then develop players to play those roles... I'm sure many fans thought Byers would have eventually been a 4th line player for this team at some point.... Or Brodie Dupont.... These types of players, to the Rangers, don't seem to have any long-lasting future/role with the team....
I think one of the main things working against Weise, is the emergence of Brandon Prust. Who provides pretty much exactly what would be expected of Dale.
At some point in one of her tweets or posts, Squishy called Weise "basically Greg Moore." I can see the comparison - and it's not a good one for Weise.
He did show well in his first game or two with the big club, but he tailed off after the adrenalin of the call-up wore off. Could he be a serviceable 4th liner for plenty of clubs in the league right now? Probably - but so could a lot of guys. He needs to take another step in development to be a sure-fire NHLer.
Meanwhile, Hagelin is no guarantee, but the tools he's displayed in the NCAA are encouraging. He has a good shot to be a 3rd liner and, if he continues to develop, could even become a 2nd liner in the NHL. That's a significantly more valuable prospect over a potential 4th liner, no matter how much of a lock you consider him to be.
At some point in one of her tweets or posts, Squishy called Weise "basically Greg Moore." I can see the comparison - and it's not a good one for Weise.
He did show well in his first game or two with the big club, but he tailed off after the adrenalin of the call-up wore off. Could he be a serviceable 4th liner for plenty of clubs in the league right now? Probably - but so could a lot of guys. He needs to take another step in development to be a sure-fire NHLer.
Meanwhile, Hagelin is no guarantee, but the tools he's displayed in the NCAA are encouraging. He has a good shot to be a 3rd liner and, if he continues to develop, could even become a 2nd liner in the NHL. That's a significantly more valuable prospect over a potential 4th liner, no matter how much of a lock you consider him to be.
Moore was a 4 year college player who had really one very good year. He turned pro around 22 or 23 which is where is Weise is now in his third season. Weise has improved every year so far--he's close to a point per game in the AHL this year though his +/- is not that great. He has been injured. He still seems to be progressing. Not a really high upside but teams need grunt workers too. Back in the day that's why we traded Amonte for Noonan and Matteau.
Now Hagelin may turn out to be another Ryan Callahan--maybe something less. I'd definitely rank him higher than Weise as a prospect but I don't know if he's closer to being an NHL player than Weise at the moment. Next training camp may change my mind. Personally I think both start in Hartford next year.
Okay--Weise beat Carcillo in his first ever NHL game and Carcillo isn't that bad. He is willing to go which means he has heart. Being willing is better than not being willing--win, lose or draw. Weise is about a 50-50 fighter in the AHL--most of his scraps being no clear winner--which is not unusual.
At some point in one of her tweets or posts, Squishy called Weise "basically Greg Moore." I can see the comparison - and it's not a good one for Weise.
He did show well in his first game or two with the big club, but he tailed off after the adrenalin of the call-up wore off. Could he be a serviceable 4th liner for plenty of clubs in the league right now? Probably - but so could a lot of guys. He needs to take another step in development to be a sure-fire NHLer.
Meanwhile, Hagelin is no guarantee, but the tools he's displayed in the NCAA are encouraging. He has a good shot to be a 3rd liner and, if he continues to develop, could even become a 2nd liner in the NHL. That's a significantly more valuable prospect over a potential 4th liner, no matter how much of a lock you consider him to be.
I've said this several times about Weise, and other prospects like him, say Hagelin for example -- and thats that the competion for a rosterspot in NY this year, and for the coming 2 years at least, is nothing buy deadly.
Greg Moore was a much more complete player then Dale Weise. Greg Moore for at least one season was the franchise player of HFD, and carried that team. You'll never see Weise carry a team at the AHL leve, thats for sure.
But at the same time, Weise IMHO have much more potential to become basically a 4th line role player then Greg Moore had. But, even if he develops really really well for next season, he still might not even come close to win a spot. I mean, who is he going to beat out? And add in the competition of Grachev, Kreider and co.
Moore was a guy I watched for four years, and his footspeed was what kept him out of the NHL.
The honest truth is, Its great if Weise some day makes it, but I don't think it will be in a particularly important role. He isn't "Callahan Jr" or a "Future captain", he is more of a Jason Ward. And thats okay. But we'll use him if we need him, and won't if we don't. He isnt a make or break prospect for this organization.
I was browsing the Red Wings' prospect tracker thread on their forum, and they were discussing Sheahen's point production in NCAA hockey, which has not been that great so far. HFer nik jr brought up college stats for a few guys who didn't really score all that well in NCAA hockey.
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shawn horcoff: 23p in 40 games at age 19.
jarkko ruutu: 22p in 38 games at age 19.
mike grier, andrew ebbett, jed ortmeyer, brad chartrand, craig adams were about the same as horcoff and ruutu.
randy mackay: 34p in 40 games at 19. 9p in 25 games at 18.
brian boyle: 8p in 35 games at 19.
mike brown: 13p in 42 games at 18. 8p in 35 games at 19.
Just interesting to see how Kreider matches up with those guys. For Hagelin as well, who's freshmen season matches up well with Horcoff's and Ruutu's.
Just look at Boyle, 8 points in college at 19 and 6 years later, he's a 20 goal scorer in the NHL.
Well, we can hope that Kreider develops before age 25.
A lot of Boyle's production later in his career actually came from the defensive position. Especially the point on the power play.
He also is huge and was an average skater up until this year, plus he had 4 goalsin his freshman season I think where as Kreider had almost 4 times that.
I am sure that there are a few guys/gals on here that might know the answer to my question . Bobby MacMillan was a 1st Round pick of the Rangers in 1972 and his son Logan MacMillan was drafted by Anaheim in the 1st Round in 2007 . I was wondering if they were the first Father/Son combo drafted in the 1st Round as I think there have been other dad/son combos that have both been 1st rounders since then .
FARMINGTON HILLS, Mich. -- Senior forward and co-captain Carl Hagelin (Sodertalje, Sweden) of the University of Michigan ice hockey team was designated as U-M's representative on the Central Collegiate Hockey Association Scholar-Athlete Team on Tuesday (March 8). Hagelin and the 10 other players from each respective CCHA team are eligible for the Scholar-Athlete of the Year Award, which will be given out March 17 at the CCHA Awards in Detroit. Hagelin also received the honor in 2008-09 and 2009-10.
Hagelin earned Academic All-Big Ten in 2008-09 and 2009-10. He also received a U-M Athletic Academic Achievement award in 2007-08, 2008-09 and 2009-10.
I am sure that there are a few guys/gals on here that might know the answer to my question . Bobby MacMillan was a 1st Round pick of the Rangers in 1972 and his son Logan MacMillan was drafted by Anaheim in the 1st Round in 2007 . I was wondering if they were the first Father/Son combo drafted in the 1st Round as I think there have been other dad/son combos that have both been 1st rounders since then .
Brent Sutter (New York Islanders round 1 #17 overall 1980 NHL Entry Draft)
