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02-19-2011, 12:52 AM
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also aquiring gunnarsson or aulie will help the d out so much more in my opinion the got the build as well as the talent

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02-19-2011, 12:55 AM
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It just doesn't make sense.

The Leafs are rebuilding and I just don't see them offering the same package that other teams will.

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02-19-2011, 12:58 AM
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Let's just say

Penner>Kaberle

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02-19-2011, 01:00 AM
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also aquiring gunnarsson or aulie will help the d out so much more in my opinion the got the build as well as the talent
I agree the Oilers need a lot of help on D but after trading Beauchemin and Kaberle the Leafs can't give up these two kids. I also don't see where Penner fits in the Leafs lineup with Kessel/Lupul, MacArthur/Kulemin. Besides - have you seen what Oiler fans are expecting for Penner!?

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02-19-2011, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CSimpson18:
Jesus man, have you ever heard the word context. Quit misconstruing what I said.
I said:
"BY THIS METRIC (meaning the Kaberle return)I'd says he's worth 2 firsts + good prospect + 2nd, if not more".

Then I stated about 50 times, that you have apparently chosen to ignore, that I don't think that's what he's actually worth. Quit wasting my ****ing time, this is like arguing with a cement block...I'm done here.
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There is no metric; completely illogical and how you get to that valuation is incredibly weak. So say Penner has 5 years left, and Kaberle is a rental, Penner has value 5x higher? Because thats exactly what you did. Multiply what Kaberle got by 2 because Penner has an extra year.

Yes, you changed your thoughts because of how much heat you rightfully got for it.
Lmaoooo cj ya you are done here, you jus got k.o'd


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02-19-2011, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CSimpson18:
Jesus man, have you ever heard the word context. Quit misconstruing what I said.
I said:
"BY THIS METRIC (meaning the Kaberle return)I'd says he's worth 2 firsts + good prospect + 2nd, if not more".

Then I stated about 50 times, that you have apparently chosen to ignore, that I don't think that's what he's actually worth. Quit wasting my ****ing time, this is like arguing with a cement block...I'm done here.


Lmaoooo cj ya you are done here, you jus done k.o'd
What?

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02-19-2011, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CSimpson18:
Jesus man, have you ever heard the word context. Quit misconstruing what I said.
I said:
"BY THIS METRIC (meaning the Kaberle return)I'd says he's worth 2 firsts + good prospect + 2nd, if not more".

Then I stated about 50 times, that you have apparently chosen to ignore, that I don't think that's what he's actually worth. Quit wasting my ****ing time, this is like arguing with a cement block...I'm done here.


Lmaoooo cj ya you are done here, you jus got k.o'd
Heroin is a hell of a drug eh.

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02-19-2011, 01:36 AM
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Let's just say

Penner>Kaberle


penner isn't even your team's best forward while kaberle is an elite PMD

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02-19-2011, 01:52 AM
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Funny how some of these proposals are for less than what Kaberle got. Penner is on an equally good contract, signed for a year longer and his player type is in equally high demand. Burke set the benchmark with the Kaberle trade, be prepared to PAY THROUGH THE TEETH for Penner. If Kabs got 1st + former first + conditional pick, what does a guy with an extra year get? 2 1sts + a good prospect + pick? Ouch, no Leaf fan is gonna be happy but that's the math...

Keep in mind, Edmonton can afford to keep penner and have no motivation to move him unless the return is great. Kadri++
That's weak dude.
24 hours ago most of the Oiler fans were arguing Kaberle isn't even worth a 1st round pick. Now because Burke has essentially got a huge overpayment, home-run type deal- you want to apply that as a given- and as some kind of mathematical formula, that determines Penner's worth? LMAO

Leafs should just wait another year anyway (they will suck next year just like the Oilers too).. Penner probably just signs with Burke at the end of his contract anyway.

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02-19-2011, 01:54 AM
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penner isn't even your team's best forward while kaberle is an elite PMD
Malkin isn't even Pittsburgh's best forward while Kaberle is an "elite" PMD.

I guess Kaberle>Malkin

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02-19-2011, 01:55 AM
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Malkin isn't even Pittsburgh's best forward while Kaberle is an "elite" PMD.

I guess Kaberle>Malkin
are you comparing penner to malkin? omg that's even better

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Penner isn't a second line player. I don't want to move Penner unless there is a massive over payment. A first that will pick 25-30 + B-prospect won't get you Penner even in a year like this.

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02-19-2011, 02:00 AM
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BOS 1st, PHI 1st, Colborne, Kadri

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Penner, Cogliano, Brule

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02-19-2011, 02:01 AM
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02-19-2011, 02:04 AM
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Schenn +Colborne/Gardiner for Penner

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02-19-2011, 02:05 AM
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BOS 1st, PHI 1st, Colborne, Kadri

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Penner, Cogliano, Brule
nope, toronto passes

boston 3rd for penner

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are you comparing penner to malkin? omg that's even better
I hope you are being stupid on purpose.

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02-19-2011, 02:13 AM
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are you comparing penner to malkin? omg that's even better
Yeah, totally, bro. Penner is an Art Ross, Conn Smythe winning player, right?

I was just showing the absurdity of the other Leaf fans argument. There are better and more viable ways to propose a UFA Kaberle is of more value than a signed Penner, but that wasn't one of them.

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02-19-2011, 02:14 AM
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Irony

Burke is going after Penner....haha Lowe will probably make him overpay, even if Tambellini is too nice to do that

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02-19-2011, 02:18 AM
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are you comparing penner to malkin? omg that's even better

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BOS 1st, PHI 1st, Colborne, Kadri

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Penner, Cogliano, Brule
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Schenn +Colborne/Gardiner for Penner
Throw in Hall and you got a deal. Yes, your value is that off.

2 first rounders, plus two former first round picks?
A former top 5 pick and another first round prospect?


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02-19-2011, 02:44 AM
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... and people call Leaf fans delusional.

Penner will not fetch a first, good prospect and roster player.

It'll be a 1st and 3rd from contending teams.

Comparable salaries and players are Versteeg and Fisher.

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02-19-2011, 02:45 AM
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Schenn +Colborne/Gardiner for Penner
It's painful as an Oilers fan when you come into a thread and see things like this.

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02-19-2011, 02:46 AM
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Most I would give for Penner is 1st + 3rd + Holzer/Gysbers(average D prospectswho are close to the NHL). I don't think it's a good fit, the Leafs currently need a center more than anything or another D-man to soften the blow of losing Kaberle.

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02-19-2011, 03:11 AM
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Penner isn't a second line player.
He's 2nd in PP time and ice time for forwards in Edmonton being used a 1st liner... and he's on pace for 52 points over a full season.

Quite a few players put up 50 point seasons while actually getting 2nd line ice time, worse ice time than Penner is getting now.

He's either amongst the worst producing 1st liners in the league or a 2nd liner. Your choice.

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