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02-19-2011, 03:24 AM
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I never cared for the player so I wouldn't trade him for almost anything on our roster or any picks or prospects. What we need is a true 1st line player. Penner doesn't help us. Maybe if we didn't have Lupul, but Penner just doesn't fit in here.

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02-19-2011, 03:27 AM
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He's 2nd in PP time and ice time for forwards in Edmonton being used a 1st liner... and he's on pace for 52 points over a full season.

Quite a few players put up 50 point seasons while actually getting 2nd line ice time, worse ice time than Penner is getting now.

He's either amongst the worst producing 1st liners in the league or a 2nd liner. Your choice.
Well I guess Phil Kessel isn't a first liner either then. I mean, the guy has played 37 more seconds of PP time a game than Penner. And if you take away Penners 5 PPP, and Kessel's 8 PPP, Penner actually has one more point in one less game.



So... 2011 first, 2011 second, and 2012 first it is I assume?

But seriously, something with Penner and Schenn as center pieces would be sweet. Aside from that, I'd rather keep Dustin in Edmonton.

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02-19-2011, 03:41 AM
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Dreger has to be smoking crack.

I can't see Burke acquiring a guy that he whined about being overpaid for the last 4 years.
Also, Toronto doesn't have what Edmonton is looking for unless they're gonna ship Colbourne over.
4 years? Come on. Snap back to reality. Burke was pissed that the Oilers gave Penner a ridiculous amount of money because of what it would to the market and you know what, he had a point. It was a stupid deal that hurt the market and made no sense. I'd be mad too If I was Brian. Hell, I would have been mad as an Oiler fan. That deal made no sense for either side.

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02-19-2011, 03:59 AM
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Well I guess Phil Kessel isn't a first liner either then. I mean, the guy has played 37 more seconds of PP time a game than Penner. And if you take away Penners 5 PPP, and Kessel's 8 PPP, Penner actually has one more point in one less game.



So... 2011 first, 2011 second, and 2012 first it is I assume?

But seriously, something with Penner and Schenn as center pieces would be sweet. Aside from that, I'd rather keep Dustin in Edmonton.
no offense, but a Schenn centerpiece deal could fetch much more than a Penner centerpiece deal. Schenn is already a stud defenseman, and without question best on the Leafs at the age of 21 and is expected to (and proving this year) be an Adam Foote 2.0.

that deal would never happen in a million years.

just off the top of my head, leafs could easily target a much better deal involving a Stastny centerpiece deal


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02-19-2011, 04:27 AM
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The Oilers are not dealing Dustin Penner unless they are getting back a player who has the chance of being better.

Penner is a top line winger in the real conference signed to a bargain for this year AND next.

He's a much better player than Fisher or Versteeg, and offers an extremely rare skill set as well.

Schenn is in the deal, period, and at least one of those 1st round picks is as well.

And I'm not sure that's enough.

Hemsky and Penner are far and away the two best forwards available, and the Oilers have no need to trade either. It will take a LOT.

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02-19-2011, 04:31 AM
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Just the report mentioned and this really isn't a rumor, at all, it's pure speculation.

Dreger says something to the effect of "Brian Burke might be interested in a player other teams might be looking to move out LIKE Dustin Penner" he goes on to explain that because Penner previously played for a Burke team, is big, and scores, then he could be a candidate for Burke to look at. At no point does he even suggest a deal has been discussed.

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02-19-2011, 04:35 AM
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This makes no sense for either team.

Leafs don't need a soft, overpaid 2nd liner, and the Oilers don't have anyone even remotely comparable to Penner to replace him with. The only rationale I see with trading Penner away would be that the Sens appear to be competing for the lottery pick, and they're still in the process of unloading.

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02-19-2011, 04:42 AM
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Leafs don't need a soft, overpaid 2nd liner,
None of these words describe Dustin Penner.

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02-19-2011, 04:52 AM
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he's a bit too old for the leafs

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02-19-2011, 05:05 AM
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The Oilers are not dealing Dustin Penner unless they are getting back a player who has the chance of being better.

Penner is a top line winger in the real conference signed to a bargain for this year AND next.

He's a much better player than Fisher or Versteeg, and offers an extremely rare skill set as well.

Schenn is in the deal, period, and at least one of those 1st round picks is as well.

And I'm not sure that's enough.

Hemsky and Penner are far and away the two best forwards available, and the Oilers have no need to trade either. It will take a LOT.
lol riiggghhht

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02-19-2011, 05:11 AM
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A top 4 D and the 30th OV don't get you a top line forward?

Crazy.

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02-19-2011, 05:23 AM
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Fanbases aren't going to see each others players the same way. Simple fact of life.

But we've heard from Dreger that the expected value here is a 1st + a prospect.

That's hardly a homer opinion. That's the word of mouth from league sources.

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02-19-2011, 08:26 AM
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The Oilers are not dealing Dustin Penner unless they are getting back a player who has the chance of being better.

Penner is a top line winger in the real conference signed to a bargain for this year AND next.

He's a much better player than Fisher or Versteeg, and offers an extremely rare skill set as well.

Schenn is in the deal, period, and at least one of those 1st round picks is as well.

And I'm not sure that's enough.

Hemsky and Penner are far and away the two best forwards available, and the Oilers have no need to trade either. It will take a LOT.
HAHAHA schenn + 1st for penner... lol.

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02-19-2011, 08:37 AM
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But seriously, something with Penner and Schenn as center pieces would be sweet. Aside from that, I'd rather keep Dustin in Edmonton.
Keeo Dustin, Schenn's value i much higher than Penner's.

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02-19-2011, 08:51 AM
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The Oilers are not dealing Dustin Penner unless they are getting back a player who has the chance of being better.

Penner is a top line winger in the real conference signed to a bargain for this year AND next.

He's a much better player than Fisher or Versteeg, and offers an extremely rare skill set as well.

Schenn is in the deal, period, and at least one of those 1st round picks is as well.

And I'm not sure that's enough.

Hemsky and Penner are far and away the two best forwards available, and the Oilers have no need to trade either. It will take a LOT.
i can understand u not trading him for garbage and better returns then veersteeg and fisher but schenn??really ??? schenn gets u back much much more that penner ever gets u..

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02-19-2011, 08:53 AM
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Could see guys like Caputi and/or D'Amigo being shipped with a package that includes Philly's 1st.

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02-19-2011, 08:57 AM
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this just confirmed that oiler fans are worse than leafs

penner will fetch more than schenn?

we don't care about penner. who's your defensive core in EDM - smid? oilers would love to have someone like schenn. too bad he's a future leafs captain

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02-19-2011, 09:04 AM
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Can he play LW? Leafs have no need for him if he cant.

If he can, PHI 1st plus Blacker/D'Amigo (dependent on if EDM wants D/F)

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02-19-2011, 09:08 AM
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Someone explain to me why Edmonton would be looking to deal Penner? They dont have enough good players as it is and they're going to be drafting 1 or 2 again anyway so why dig a deeper hole in terms of talent depth? This scorched earth policy of team building has gotten way out of hand.
this is what oiler fans are trying to tell people who are making the lowball offers.... only way penner gets moved is if it's a deal that's a great one. He's a youngish player with size and goalscoring ability who has a stanley cup ring... he's got value around the league you shop him and see if some GM is desperate enough to give you what you need or you keep the guy and move on.

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02-19-2011, 09:18 AM
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this is what oiler fans are trying to tell people who are making the lowball offers.... only way penner gets moved is if it's a deal that's a great one. He's a youngish player with size and goalscoring ability who has a stanley cup ring... he's got value around the league you shop him and see if some GM is desperate enough to give you what you need or you keep the guy and move on.
it was darren dregger who started this by mentioning his name and leafs

also, threadstarter is an oilers fan, not a leafs.

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02-19-2011, 09:20 AM
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Although we need forwards in size, I can't see Burke targetting another top-six winger.

The way I see it now:

Lupul-______-Kessel
Kulemin-Grabovski-MacArthur
_____-Bozak-Armstrong
Brown-Brent-Orr
Crabb, Boyce

Phaneuf-Schenn
Aulie-_______
Gunnarsson-Komisarek
Lebda

Giggy/Reimer/Gustavsson



a First line centerman isn't coming this tdl...
I can see Burke persuing a 3rd line lwer like a Scottie Upshall or somebody who is becoming a UFA.

And we need a puck moving defencman to fill Kabby's void. Not many available.

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02-19-2011, 09:21 AM
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Good Lord, some of the Oiler fans in this thread.
Fixed.

Worth more than Kaberle? Kaberle is tied for 2nd in dmen in points since the lockout. First place is some Lidstrom guy. So he is very good offensively. Worth alore more than Penner..

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Oilers are not interested in late 1sts in an underwhelming draft except to sweeten the pot.

Oilers are under no pressure to move Penner but if they do theres a number of teams who will overpay. Don't bother offering "fair market value". It's not gonna get it done in a sellers market.

Oilers will be hoping to flip Penner+ for a future 1D or 1C. We can put together a monster package of Penner + picks/prospects/players to get a big name. Edmonton does not want quantity, we want quality.

It all adds up to Toronto and Edmonton being a very unlikely trade partner. I'm quite sure Schenn is off the table. Kadri is the only prospect who wouldn't be redundant in Edmontons system.

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02-19-2011, 09:24 AM
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Do the Leafs give up Schenn + a 1st???

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The Oilers are not dealing Dustin Penner unless they are getting back a player who has the chance of being better.

Penner is a top line winger in the real conference signed to a bargain for this year AND next.

He's a much better player than Fisher or Versteeg, and offers an extremely rare skill set as well.

Schenn is in the deal, period, and at least one of those 1st round picks is as well.

And I'm not sure that's enough.
Hemsky and Penner are far and away the two best forwards available, and the Oilers have no need to trade either. It will take a LOT.
ya...OK

I wouldn't trade Schenn straight up for any player on your roster o/s of Hall (let alone adding a 1st rounder).

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