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06-30-2004, 09:33 AM
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Kyle Calder

Hey guys...just trying to find out a little bit more about him. Who did he usually play with in his first few seasons? I know he mostly plays with Arnason, this year with Ruutu at RW and last year with Mark Bell...right?

 
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06-30-2004, 12:15 PM
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he was on the RW in the ABC line

now Daze-Ruutu-Calder

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he was on the RW in the ABC line

now Daze-Ruutu-Calder
And prior to that he played left wing on the Zhamnov-Amonte line.

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Little question...

Just out of curiosity...

What would it takes to acquire a package of Cam Barker, Kyle Calder and Mark Bell ?

Would a player drafted in the top-5 of the recent drafts (let's say, a guy like Gaborik, Heatley, Nash...) be a fair deal ?


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he was on the RW in the ABC line

now Daze-Ruutu-Calder
With Daze out for most of the season I'm guessing he played with Arnason and Ruutu...right?

 
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Arnason and Bell

Ruutu was with nichol and meon...............

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Would Huselius be a player you guys you would be intrested in?

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Calder is a keeper and the young leader of this team. Probably captain within 2 years and part of the strong youth core. It would take alot to get him as he does things most forwards are unwilling to do. A guy with this guys heart is very hard to come by in todays NHL. He would have to be traded for a young really good finisher.

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It does not exactly answer to my question...

Would you trade Kyle Calder, along with Cam Barker and Mark Bell, for a forward drafted in the top-5 of the recent drafts ? I'm talking about guys like Heatley, Gaborik, or more recent picks like Nash, Zherdev, Horton, etc...


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It does not exactly answer to my question...

Would you trade Kyle Calder, along with Cam Barker and Mark Bell, for a forward drafted in the top-5 of the recent drafts ? I'm talking about guys like Heatley, Gaborik, or more recent picks like Nash, Zherdev, Horton, etc...
The problem is that the Hawks have no depth...trading Calder and Bell, plus Barker, even for one great young forward doesn't make sense because it won't really get the team any closer to being that good.

Their best hope is that some of their prospects finally turn into good NHL players...Yakubov, Vorobiev, Seabrook, Radulov, even Leighton and Anders(s)on and Munro, then they'll have value for them to move if necessary.

The good news is that Vorobiev and Yakubov are both still young at 23, and most players from that draft are only now becoming really solid NHL regulars. Other than the top 5 or 6 guys (Heatley, Gaborik, Klesla, Torres, Hartnell), the rest of the guys in the first 2 rounds haven't done much. Kolanos, Nedorost, Hainsey, Boyes, Taffe, Kopecky, Aulin, Vermette.

Then you can afford to deal. Right now there's no real upside to it.

It just boggles that for the quintet of Zhamnov, Sullivan, Dempsey, Nieminen and Karpo the team got one roster player back (Vandermeer). If they'd been able to pry a few quality young players for Sully...

 
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Just out of curiosity...

What would it takes to acquire a package of Cam Barker, Kyle Calder and Mark Bell ?

Would a player drafted in the top-5 of the recent drafts (let's say, a guy like Gaborik, Heatley, Nash...) be a fair deal ?

Bell and Calder have turned into pretty good 2nd liners with bang for their buck and if Barker is half as good as the press says he is-- it would take either one ot two top liners to get him

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Would Huselius be a player you guys you would be intrested in?
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Nash and Zherdev for Barker Calder and Bell I wouldn't do

You think Zherdev or Horton is worth all of therm Barker alone is worth ZHERDEV OR HORTON

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I know Barker alone could worth it, especially in the long run as he is 6 years younger than a Heatley. Not to mention defensman with that kind of potential are way harder to find than forwards.

So I really know what these three guys worth, I was just asking if you Blackhawks fans would do it. There is a big difference here...


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Nash and Zherdev for Barker Calder and Bell I wouldn't do
That is the absolute dumbest thing I have ever read on this website.

You would keep Bell, Barker and Calder if you could get Rick Nash and Nik Zherdev for them?

Bell is a solid 3rd line, maybe 2nd line player.
Calder is a good 2nd liner.
Both are 23-25, could improve, good leaders.
Barker is a great D prospect...but if he's in last year's draft, he probably goes after Coburn, Suter and Phaneuf.

Rick Nash led the NHL in goals.
As a 19 year old.
Who could have still been playing in the OHL.

And I don't know if you watched any Jackets games at the season's end, but Zherdev is a sick, sick talent.

More succinctly.

Last season, Mark Bell had 45 points. Kyle Calder had 39 points (in 66 games, granted).

Rick Nash scored 41 GOALS...as a 19 YEAR OLD!

Zherdev scored 34 points in 57 games...as a 19 YEAR OLD!

Insanity.

 
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07-02-2004, 12:44 AM
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When your team sucks bad enough where you have two 19 year olds running the show there gonna put up some numbers.

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That is the absolute dumbest thing I have ever read on this website. You would keep Bell, Barker and Calder if you could get Rick Nash and Nik Zherdev for them?
Well I suppose his first sentence was just an image. The second one was more serious actually and that's what I was refering to. I was asking for Barker, Calder and Bell just for ONE stud "à la" Nash or Zherdev, not both. And BTW, Nash and Zherdev are only 20 and I was more thinking about an "older" young star, like Heatley.

Anyway, thanks for your inputs guys !


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Bell, Calder and Barker for Nash and Zherdev is a no brainer for the Hawks. But Bell, Calder, and Barker for one of the two is a bad deal. 2 legit 2nd line power forwards and a top two-way dman for one 1st line finisher is a bad deal for the Hawks.

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Bell, Calder and Barker for Nash and Zherdev is a no brainer for the Hawks. But Bell, Calder, and Barker for one of the two is a bad deal. 2 legit 2nd line power forwards and a top two-way dman for one 1st line finisher is a bad deal for the Hawks.
I agree entirely. If you look at my post earlier in the thread I say the exact same thing.

 
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