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02-19-2011, 12:06 PM
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Souray

I would sign him if I were Murray.

Worst case scenario we send him back through waivers. I know we have a glut of NHL defencemen for next year, but an asset is an asset. "Someone has to play" and I'd rather Souray than Benoit.

I know most will say "let him be someone else's problem" but why not roll the dice? It's not like it will cost us the playoffs or a lottery pick.

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02-19-2011, 12:08 PM
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maybe the stupidest idea I've come across.

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would he be at 1/2 of his cap hit for next year? at 2.7 for one year, i would consider it.

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maybe the stupidest idea I've come across.
It would be stupid not to consider getting an asset for nothing. Stop thinking like a playoff team. How is there any risk to this? He plays well, we swap him for a pick or keep him to play. He doesn't, he's on waivers again. At 2.7? You wouldn't even chew your pen over it?

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if we aren't a playoff team, what is the point of picking up an old, expensive, crappy defenseman when we have plenty of young guys needing a look?

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It would be stupid not to consider getting an asset for nothing. Stop thinking like a playoff team. How is there any risk to this? He plays well, we swap him for a pick or keep him to play. He doesn't, he's on waivers again. At 2.7? You wouldn't even chew your pen over it?
If we could take him at half the salary and flip him for a pick it makes sense but would not have Edmonton tried to flip him for a package that would have had them eating close to half his salary anyway?

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It would be stupid not to consider getting an asset for nothing. Stop thinking like a playoff team. How is there any risk to this? He plays well, we swap him for a pick or keep him to play. He doesn't, he's on waivers again. At 2.7? You wouldn't even chew your pen over it?
We have Cowen, Rundblad, Karlsson, kuba, gonchar, carkner all signed for next season. Why take time away from the kids for a guy like souray. Sure i might rather Souray than Kuba, but bottom line we are stuck with kuba at the moment and there is noone to take him off our hands. There are lots of other D out there i would rather take a shot at then Souray. Even at 2.7 the money could be better spent.

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If we could take him at half the salary and flip him for a pick it makes sense but would not have Edmonton tried to flip him for a package that would have had them eating close to half his salary anyway?
because they can't he has to go through waivers first

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Let's pick up Commodore too, hey we might be able to flip him for a pick. Gotta capitalize on potential assets.

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No.

Nononononononono.

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My first thought was no way in hell.


But if Souray, at $2.7 mil, played okay, we could turn him into a 2nd round pick at next year's deadline.

It would be a gamble though, but it's not like we'll be near the cap next year anyways, or be contending, so it's not like a Souray flop would hurt the team (except Euge's pocketbook).

I doubt Euge wants to add a vet on payroll next year, so I'd be very surprised to see us claim him.

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02-19-2011, 12:33 PM
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because they can't he has to go through waivers first
Yeah of course, I confused myself.

It's a bit of a gamble and if we could flip him he wouldn't fetch much given his history of injuries and not having played in the NHL in some time. A team like Vancouver might flip a mid rounder for him but if a team is not interested, Eug is stuck with a salary he does not want and his entire mission is cutting costs at the time.

Souray at $2.7 might still be overpriced on the market. If I were the Leafs I might consider it though as they can spend freely and could use him even if unable to flip him.

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02-19-2011, 12:35 PM
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at this point, why not...Can't be worst then Kuba

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Souray can't even play at AHL level now. Why the heck would anyone go after that? Let's trade for Redden as well.

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we can't acquire anyone right now who either:

1. serves as a roadblock in the development of a prominent young prospect, or

2. realistically isn't going to be significant part of a contending team 2-3 years from now

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02-19-2011, 01:13 PM
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I'm not sure that you are allowed to pick up a guy off of waivers and then immediately trade him.

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02-19-2011, 01:21 PM
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The Rangers took a look at weren't at all impressed and passed when they had a serious need to address. Why do some people feel they can judge talent better than an NHL scout or GM? If he had any value other teams would be showing interest.

And there is something to lose. 2.7 million out of Eug's back pocket next year no matter what way you slice it. Thats a pricey tire kick.

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02-19-2011, 01:22 PM
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souray hits both of those above criteria i talked about:

1. if we bring him in here, it means one of cowen or rundblad either won't play for us next year, or won't play as much. that's not a good thing.

2. souray is an old 34 years old and is an UFA after next year. there would be next to NO chance that we would resign him at that point, and if we did, would a 36-year old souray really be an important piece of a winning team?

no way, no how should we bring that guy in here.

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I would probably take him. We just have little to lose.

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02-19-2011, 01:36 PM
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we have lots to lose. namely, $2.7mil of the eug's bucks, $2.7mil in cap space, and the delayed development of a prized young defenceman. and for what?

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02-19-2011, 01:51 PM
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we have lots to lose. namely, $2.7mil of the eug's bucks, $2.7mil in cap space, and the delayed development of a prized young defenceman. and for what?

At this point, I think I would rather have Souray at 2.7M than Kuba at 3.7M. If you can move Kuba, that's a savings of a million bucks for Melnyk.

You should be able to fit Souray and one or both of Cowen and Rundblad into the lineup (provided they ACTUALLY make the team next year). Say what you want about Souray, but at 2.7M and 50+ points in his last full season, he's better value than you're going to find in a UFA.

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We have Cowen, Rundblad, Karlsson, kuba, gonchar, carkner all signed for next season. Why take time away from the kids for a guy like souray. Sure i might rather Souray than Kuba, but bottom line we are stuck with kuba at the moment and there is noone to take him off our hands. There are lots of other D out there i would rather take a shot at then Souray. Even at 2.7 the money could be better spent.
Don't forget about Lee.

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My first thought was no way in hell.


But if Souray, at $2.7 mil, played okay, we could turn him into a 2nd round pick at next year's deadline.

It would be a gamble though, but it's not like we'll be near the cap next year anyways, or be contending, so it's not like a Souray flop would hurt the team (except Euge's pocketbook).

I doubt Euge wants to add a vet on payroll next year, so I'd be very surprised to see us claim him.
We might even need to get to the floor next season.

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We might even need to get to the floor next season.
No i doubt they will be at the floor this team attendance wise this team is not in that bad of shape.

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