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02-20-2011, 02:34 PM
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Apparently Gaborik has a concussion.

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We don't need anymore B grade prospects. If we aren't able to get a top 10-15 prospect back then I would just keep Penner and Hemsky.

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Apparently Gaborik has a concussion.
so does richards

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02-20-2011, 03:07 PM
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LA has demoted Andrei Loktionov. Wonder if they're closing in on a deal.

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I don't want to get accused of trolling, because I don't rationally think I am, but from a Caps fan perspective (and from what GMGM's motus operandi has been) I don't really think he's willing to make either one of those offers.

The second is more palatable (as I don't think they have any intention of dealing Carlson) as it deals in mostly futures, where they could afford to give them up. Yet, at the same place, I think they forsee Kuznetsov as a game breaker at the NHL level, and might not be willing to give him up. You certainly have to give to get, and if that takes the Caps off the market for him, then i think they're ok with that.

By all means, get what you can get for Hemsky, and I think if you all feel he's worth a ton of parts or some really good ones, get what you can. I've seen some who feel he should be talked about like he's Getzlaf/Kane/Kopitar, and if he's that important, I can understand what you would want from dealing him. I just think, as the Caps stand, they most likely wouldn't be willing to pay the premium you're looking for.

I really like the player, and I think he's a pretty good one, but I do think the value to the Caps is a bit less than you might want in return.
Very rational post. This should definitely not be seen as trolling.

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02-20-2011, 03:35 PM
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LA has demoted Andrei Loktionov. Wonder if they're closing in on a deal.
According to most Kings fans, he was sat last game and Murray just didn't like what he saw from him in his short stint.

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Although I don't support trading Penner or Hemsky unless the return is huge, I have been thinking of this scenario lately. If we could trade Hemsky and another piece(Smid, Cogliano) for Bogosian and Atlanta's first(do they still own it?) We could then draft Landeskog and perhaps a centre like Mark McNeil with Atlanta's pick.

I do like Larsson with our first pick, but there is no guarantee that we will be in a position to draft him, so getting Bogo and losing Hemsky would allow us to draft a RW with the heart and grit that all of the good teams seem to have(Richards, Phi - Morrow, Dallas - Iginla, Cgy - Kesler, Van for example)

Hall Gagner Landeskog
Paajarvi McNeill Omark
Penner Horcoff Eberle
Jones Lander Hartikanan

Whitney Bogosian
Smid Gilbert
Peckham Petry


Point is mute if Atlanta doesn't own their first anymore....

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02-20-2011, 04:31 PM
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Although I don't support trading Penner or Hemsky unless the return is huge, I have been thinking of this scenario lately. If we could trade Hemsky and another piece(Smid, Cogliano) for Bogosian and Atlanta's first(do they still own it?) We could then draft Landeskog and perhaps a centre like Mark McNeil with Atlanta's pick.

I do like Larsson with our first pick, but there is no guarantee that we will be in a position to draft him, so getting Bogo and losing Hemsky would allow us to draft a RW with the heart and grit that all of the good teams seem to have(Richards, Phi - Morrow, Dallas - Iginla, Cgy - Kesler, Van for example)

Hall Gagner Landeskog
Paajarvi McNeill Omark
Penner Horcoff Eberle
Jones Lander Hartikanan

Whitney Bogosian
Smid Gilbert
Peckham Petry


Point is mute if Atlanta doesn't own their first anymore....
Point is moot, but not because they don't own their first. It's moot because Bogosian isn't going anywhere unless we offer a massive package, i.e. Hemsky + Paajarvi, Eberle+, or our top 3 pick+. Bogosian has a huge internal value in ATL, and unless he wants out, won't be dealt for anything other than massive overpayment.

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02-20-2011, 04:58 PM
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Point is moot, but not because they don't own their first. It's moot because Bogosian isn't going anywhere unless we offer a massive package, i.e. Hemsky + Paajarvi, Eberle+, or our top 3 pick+. Bogosian has a huge internal value in ATL, and unless he wants out, won't be dealt for anything other than massive overpayment.
I don't think that that would be the asking price.
I wouldn't even trade our own Top 3 pick for Bogosian.
He has an average season and developes not the way he should.

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http://oilersnation.com/2011/2/20/lo...hemsky-in-play

Nothing earth shattering, except speculation that last week was indeed lipservice from Penner.

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I don't think that that would be the asking price.
I wouldn't even trade our own Top 3 pick for Bogosian.
He has an average season and developes not the way he should.
Except he's 20 years old, has a high draft pedigree, tons of upside, and all the tools to be a top pairing guy, if not a #1. His value to ATL will be a lot.

Also, they were already offered 2 first round picks (most likely late) and a prospect, which they turned down.

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Nothing earth shattering, except speculation that last week was indeed lipservice from Penner.
i would say the oilers have a much better chance of signing hemsky long term and for that reason i kind of expect penner to get dealt, what people say in the media and what they really desire are two different things... the one thing i dont like about dealing penner is that his return is going to be less than hemsky's in all likelihood... but then again if we lose him after next year i guess it's a moot point, better to get something for him now...

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Nothing earth shattering, except speculation that last week was indeed lipservice from Penner.
This is from the guy who was positive that the Oilers were taking Sequin. I don't think that he is nearly as plugged in as he would like us to believe!

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02-20-2011, 05:19 PM
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Interesting we were talking to CBJ for Ryan Johansen.

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Itís no secret the Oilers were offering just about everybody to get a shot at big Portland Winterhawks centre Ryan Johansen, the second-best junior to Kings prospect Brayden Schenn on Canadaís world team this past Christmas. Hemskyís name came up, then.
It seems Tambo is trying to get either a blue chip C or a blue chip D prospect. Either one of those would make the draft choice a little easier(though not super easier) and boost our prospect pool a lot. Though it's easier said than done of course.

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Interesting we were talking to CBJ for Ryan Johansen.



It seems Tambo is trying to get either a blue chip C or a blue chip D prospect. Either one of those would make the draft choice a little easier(though not super easier) and boost our prospect pool a lot. Though it's easier said than done of course.
I think getting the C in trade would make the draft alot easier. If we had #1 at that point, Larsson is a simple choice. But if we get the blu chip D, you still have to choose between Couturier and RNH

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2 of our scouts today at the Sabres/Caps game.

Bend to our will McPee, bend.

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Interesting we were talking to CBJ for Ryan Johansen.



It seems Tambo is trying to get either a blue chip C or a blue chip D prospect. Either one of those would make the draft choice a little easier(though not super easier) and boost our prospect pool a lot. Though it's easier said than done of course.
You didn't know this? I just assumed everyone saw the episode of Oil Change. There has only been speculation as to what was actually offered, but at the draft table we called Howson for #4 to take Johansen. Short story is they wanted Eberle and it was a non-starter for us.

Even though I'm a massive RNH fan, this has always lead me to believe they would target Couturier. Size and skill seems to be the mandate from management (especially Lowe, even though it's not his choice, he still plays a bif role...sadly)

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You didn't know this? I just assumed everyone saw the episode of Oil Change. There has only been speculation as to what was actually offered, but at the draft table we called Howson for #4 to take Johansen. Short story is they wanted Eberle and it was a non-starter for us.

Even though I'm a massive RNH fan, this has always lead me to believe they would target Couturier. Size and skill seems to be the mandate from management (especially Lowe, even though it's not his choice, he still plays a bif role...sadly)
I think we have first hand evidence now that we're drafting guys that fit the core of the teams identity (Eberle, Hall) I think we isolate to many things and we don't take a player as a whole. As one person said the intangibles of Hall was that inner drive and desire to win.

I feel like if you don't like that players character or personality maybe you look for someone that does fit your type of personality. Don't take character and personalities out of the equation we have had unassuming quiet guys like Pitkanen, and Lupul who didn't relish that role of being that guy everyone counted on.

Therefore Johansen, Schenn are big but its talent and character and alot of attributes that make em fit in that role. Everyone would take a #3 C like Couturier everyday of the week, but those guys are a dime a dozen

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IMO, the asking price from Pittsburgh for Hemsky is:

1. Simon Despres
2. Beau Bennett
3. 2011 1st


That to me, is a huge return for Hemsky. Is it fair? Considering what players have already been moved for this year, yes. Hemsky has returned to form, looks good out there, has another year on his contract and is cheap for a 1st line right wing.

IMO, Pittsburgh is trying to get him for only 2 of those 3 assets though.
The report said that the Oilers are looking for a 1st rounder + a roster player + more and my guess is that the roster player is Goligoski.

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I wonder if we would give up our first for johansen?

After watching oil change, it seems like they were really big on the kid. Although they may be big on one of the centers this year too.

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Except he's 20 years old, has a high draft pedigree, tons of upside, and all the tools to be a top pairing guy, if not a #1. His value to ATL will be a lot.

Also, they were already offered 2 first round picks (most likely late) and a prospect, which they turned down.
He is essentially a 2nd pairing defenseman who will never ever see the 1st pairing unless Enstrom or Byfuglien completely fell off the face of the earth and i think that other GMs know it. He has also had issues with coaches so i would think that his value is lowered because of it. 2 late first round picks and a prospect isn't exactly a king's ransom considering that 1sts are being given away like candy for mediocre talent.

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]I wonder if we would give up our first for johansen?[/B]
After watching oil change, it seems like they were really big on the kid. Although they may be big on one of the centers this year too.
I know that i wouldn't. Larsson, Couturier and RNH all have a higher ceiling than Johansen imo.

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You didn't know this? I just assumed everyone saw the episode of Oil Change. There has only been speculation as to what was actually offered, but at the draft table we called Howson for #4 to take Johansen. Short story is they wanted Eberle and it was a non-starter for us.
No I know they tried for him at the draft.

I assumed this last quote was that they tried for him again recently. Hence the bit about the WJC and being the best behind Schenn.

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I wonder if we would give up our first for johansen?

After watching oil change, it seems like they were really big on the kid. Although they may be big on one of the centers this year too.
I'd do it, but I can't see Columbus liking Couturier or RNH more.

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He is essentially a 2nd pairing defenseman who will never ever see the 1st pairing unless Enstrom or Byfuglien completely fell off the face of the earth and i think that other GMs know it. He has also had issues with coaches so i would think that his value is lowered because of it. 2 late first round picks and a prospect isn't exactly a king's ransom considering that 1sts are being given away like candy for mediocre talent.
True, but we also don't ahve any idea what kind of 1sts were offered. Perhaps they feel like since he is struggling a bit, why not keep him for a few years? No point in selling low right now when you could sell him at 24 years old and either get a similar return if he doesn't break out or even more. Or that gives them the option of keeping him and moving one of the other 2 guys in 4-5 years, depending on how things go from now till then.

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