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02-21-2011, 12:32 AM
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Souray and Russell are polar opposites. The suggestion that replacing one with the other seems weird.

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I still think the CBJ are interested. This guy scored 23 goals 2 years ago, no way his skill have dimished that much. Even if we bring him in for just 12 mins or so a night for the PP he will help.

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Colorado might trade Stastny Galiardi and a pick/another player for JJ Jonathan Bernier and Jarret Stoll.....oh what would it be like to have a GM that would try to improve their team. Although I'm not sure if trading Stastny does that...sure would like him though.
Interesting way of covering all of your bases there.

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Can someone help me understand waivers a little more.....So since there is a waiver list, lets say the 1st team on the list claims him. Do they still wait until the deadline to announce it? Been trying to figure out that for a while.

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I still think the CBJ are interested. This guy scored 23 goals 2 years ago, no way his skill have dimished that much. Even if we bring him in for just 12 mins or so a night for the PP he will help.
The same thing has been said about a ton of players whose production plummeted suddenly and permanently.

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Can someone help me understand waivers a little more.....So since there is a waiver list, lets say the 1st team on the list claims him. Do they still wait until the deadline to announce it? Been trying to figure out that for a while.
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Talk is that every team centers around Kopitar since they dont have a legit #2...personally I could see it happening. Stastny is a really good player and imo, better than JJ.
If the Avs make this trade, they would be in the same situation the Kings are currently in. They wouldn't have a legit #2. Not only that, they wouldn't have much offense left outside of Duchene. Their biggest strength would become their biggest weakness.

And the Kings just signed Johnson.

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whats the thought behind the delay if no other team could pick him up?

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I still think the CBJ are interested. This guy scored 23 goals 2 years ago, no way his skill have dimished that much. Even if we bring him in for just 12 mins or so a night for the PP he will help.
1. Commodore is proof that skills can suddenly disappear permanently.

2. He'd be on the book again next year. That's a lot of money for "just 12 mins a night" and a PP specialist. We'd be better off just keeping Stralman.

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whats the thought behind the delay if no other team could pick him up?
It's not that there's necessarily a delay, but it gives all teams a certain amount of time to get their stuff in order before submitting claims. It's extremely rare that a player is on waivers who would be immediately claimed without a second thought (in fact, I can't think of any in recent history).

If the first team on the waiver list makes a claim, they're guaranteed to get him. I'm not aware of any courtesy that exists that would involve that team letting others know that the claim is in and not to bank on getting that player.

At times, I miss the old waiver draft.

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If the Avs make this trade, they would be in the same situation the Kings are currently in. They wouldn't have a legit #2. Not only that, they wouldn't have much offense left outside of Duchene. Their biggest strength would become their biggest weakness.

And the Kings just signed Johnson.
Doesnt really matter that they just signed him. Hossa was traded after he signed with Ottawa. You know they have a top 3 pick in the draft most likely.....that helps alot...they'll draft another center or Landeskog...very bright future imo.

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I still think the CBJ are interested. This guy scored 23 goals 2 years ago, no way his skill have dimished that much. Even if we bring him in for just 12 mins or so a night for the PP he will help.
I completely agree; just look at Fredrik Modin's time here.

oh wait

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I completely agree; just look at Fredrik Modin's time here.

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Obviously your not interested. Thats cool. I am. I think he could help our team.

Modin sucked dude.

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1. Commodore is proof that skills can suddenly disappear permanently.

2. He'd be on the book again next year. That's a lot of money for "just 12 mins a night" and a PP specialist. We'd be better off just keeping Stralman.
1. Granted the year we went to the playoffs he was decent, but really Commodore just has been terrible. Certainly not worth the 4 mil or whatever his contract is. Id take SS over Commie all day long.

2. You make a good point here, but hed make a good partner for Commie down in Spingfield! lol All kidding aside, Unless Stralman continues the way hes playing, I dont see how SS could be worse then Strawman.

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whats the thought behind the delay if no other team could pick him up?
Other teams can pick/claim him though. Remember, it's based on rankings, not who claims him first. Lets say Vancouver puts in a claim first and lets say Columbus is thinking about claiming him. But before they do, they want to look at all the positives and negatives so they wait untill the last minute of the deadline. If Columbus puts in a claim before the deadline ends, Columbus would get him because they're below Vancouver in the standings. Basically the NHL gets a list of teams that put in a claim and then looks at the standings to see who is the worst. Team that is a the worst gets the player.

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Other teams can pick/claim him though. Remember, it's based on rankings, not who claims him first. Lets say Vancouver puts in a claim first and lets say Columbus is thinking about claiming him. But before they do, they want to look at all the positives and negatives so they wait untill the last minute of the deadline. If Columbus puts in a claim before the deadline ends, Columbus would get him because they're below Vancouver in the standings. Basically the NHL gets a list of teams that put in a claim and then looks at the standings to see who is the worst. Team that is a the worst gets the player.
Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Makes alot more sense now.

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whats the thought behind the delay if no other team could pick him up?
Additionally - and someone correct me if I'm wrong - the waiver process is simply a deadline, it's not like a draft where each team is offered an opportunity to make a claim. Deadline arrives, look to see if anyone has made a claim, and if so, player is awarded to the team with the highest waiver priority.

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Unless Stralman continues the way hes playing, I dont see how SS could be worse then Strawman.
I think this is likely a "grass must be greener" thing. Souray is bad. And even if he's no worse than Anton, he's paid more and on the books for next season as well. Best to let Edmonton figure out what to do with him. Howson already has one buyout decision facing him.

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I wouldn't pick up Souray. I think he is a bad fit next year with his contract, not to mention who knows how slow he will be by then. I really think Howson will start to give our defensemen in Springfield an opportunity next training camp. The guys who will be UFA's will be allowed to go, unless a contract is signed that would be favorable to the team. It seems that Howson has stocked defensemen in the minors so that the minor league team can be the pipeline to the big club.

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I wouldn't pick up Souray. I think he is a bad fit next year with his contract, not to mention who knows how slow he will be by then. I really think Howson will start to give our defensemen in Springfield an opportunity next training camp. The guys who will be UFA's will be allowed to go, unless a contract is signed that would be favorable to the team. It seems that Howson has stocked defensemen in the minors so that the minor league team can be the pipeline to the big club.
Isn't that the way you build a franchise? For the long term rather than a one time run?

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IF (and its a big if...) Howson still sees us sniffing the playoffs at trade deadline, does having both Huse and Brass injured help keep Jake from a trade? I mean, if we are really seeing a chance to make it, would losing HALF of your top 6 and 2/3rds of the top line be a good move?

IMO, it would take a HUGE overpayment, and what team would do that now? Said it before and I'll say it again. I'd hate to see him light it up wearing another sweater. The boy is young, strong, and exciting to watch. CBJ doesn't have enough of that.

Full disclosure: I am a total Jake homer, and I really don't want to see him moved!

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Isn't that the way you build a franchise? For the long term rather than a one time run?
Heck no. The depth of the franchise is of absolutely no concern. Depth is for wimps. Live on the edge with your budget team.

Why did you pick out that one part of the post and respond with this? It makes Fred's comments seem contrary to your comment.

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IF (and its a big if...) Howson still sees us sniffing the playoffs at trade deadline, does having both Huse and Brass injured help keep Jake from a trade? I mean, if we are really seeing a chance to make it, would losing HALF of your top 6 and 2/3rds of the top line be a good move?

IMO, it would take a HUGE overpayment, and what team would do that now? Said it before and I'll say it again. I'd hate to see him light it up wearing another sweater. The boy is young, strong, and exciting to watch. CBJ doesn't have enough of that.

Full disclosure: I am a total Jake homer, and I really don't want to see him moved!
I'm a Jake homer as well, and as I see it, moving Jake would be one of the riskiest moves in some time. huge upside, popular guy (extremely so)....it would gut this team and fan base, IMO, I don't care who's coming back.

Arniel said it best when he said that sometimes the wrong guy is traded and it rips things apart. I do not see Voracek being moved because of how well the top line has been. Nash said earlier in the season that they were starting to gel and it was nice, then compared them to other teams that have lines that have played together for 3-4 years and how well they do.

If anything, I would think such a trade would require Nash's blessing, and I doubt he would give it in Jake's situation from what little I know from the outside looking in.

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Lori Schmidt on the radio (CBJbuzz) this morning said that Howson said having "defenseman Derek Dorsett injured hampers the team" in trade talks.

Now, aside from the fact DD is not a defenseman, and aside from those who don't want to hear from Howson how hard his job is - is this accurate? Is there a link to Howson saying this? I'm looking for one and can't find it.

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Lori Schmidt on the radio (CBJbuzz) this morning said that Howson said having "defenseman Derek Dorsett injured hampers the team" in trade talks.

Now, aside from the fact DD is not a defenseman, and aside from those who don't want to hear from Howson how hard his job is - is this accurate? Is there a link to Howson saying this? I'm looking for one and can't find it.

I'm curious about that because she is usually very good about reporting the facts(though she is not a hockey person per say). I wonder if they meant Klesla, but I'm having trouble understanding why a 3rd line grinder being on IR is "hampering" trade talks....unless Howson is saying he would trade Dorsett() if he was healthy.

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