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Boston's 1st, conditional 2nd
Philly's 1st + 3rd
Ducks conditonal 4th (2013)

Out:

Beauchemin
Versteeg
Kaberle

What's next Burkie?

And the wild speculation on a particular LA player.

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turning those picks in to a player most likely is Burke's next move. I'm thinking after the season is over though. I doubt we end up getting the kind of assets we're looking for this time of the year.

Draft picks are a lot more attractive to people in June when GM's probably have a bit more time to talk with their amateur guys.

The only real moves I see us doing before the deadline are:

1. finding a band aid for the rest of the season to QB the PP from the back end.

2. Dealing mac for prospects/picks if his agent suggests that they want more than Burke is willing to pay.

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What do people think about James Wisniewski? He may test FA agency to see how much interest he garners (his agent hassled the Ducks for money last year so they signed him and traded him shortly after). Would fans like it if we overpaid via FA for him? I'm guessing he could potentially get a little north of 4.5M

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I would like to see Burkie go after someone like Sharp, or Zajac... basically the top centers of the salary cap troubled teams hah

What other teams are having big salary cap issues?

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What do people think about James Wisniewski? He may test FA agency to see how much interest he garners (his agent hassled the Ducks for money last year so they signed him and traded him shortly after). Would fans like it if we overpaid via FA for him? I'm guessing he could potentially get a little north of 4.5M
His name is too similar to Wozniewski, not a good sign

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In:

Lupul
Gardiner
Colborne
Boston's 1st, conditional 2nd
Philly's 1st + 3rd
Ducks conditonal 4th (2013)

Out:

Beauchemin
Versteeg
Kaberle

What's next Burkie?

And the wild speculation on a particular LA player.
I like what Burke has done so far with this years trade deadline and I'm for sure interested to see what else he has up his sleeve.

We've all seen lots of speculation that he doesn't intend to keep any/all of those picks, so perhaps said particular LA player is a target with those.

Speaking of LA, Schenn and Brown would be two players I would absolutely LOVE to have on the leafs. If Brown was coming back, I'd easily include Kessel in the deal.

Maybe something like Kessel, Kadri, PHI 1st for Brown and Schenn?

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I like what Burke has done so far with this years trade deadline and I'm for sure interested to see what else he has up his sleeve.

We've all seen lots of speculation that he doesn't intend to keep any/all of those picks, so perhaps said particular LA player is a target with those.

Speaking of LA, Schenn and Brown would be two players I would absolutely LOVE to have on the leafs. If Brown was coming back, I'd easily include Kessel in the deal.

Maybe something like Kessel, Kadri, PHI 1st for Brown and Schenn?
If we simplify it a bit, maybe

To Tor:

Schenn

To LA:

Kadri
One of the first from 2011
3rd round


I don't this LA bites on this but one can dream.

Kadri vs Schenn... besides from the obvious, Schenn is less likely to be destroyed by the Toronto media. Big, big plus.

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If we simplify it a bit, maybe

To Tor:

Schenn

To LA:

Kadri
One of the first from 2011
3rd round


I don't this LA bites on this but one can dream.

Kadri vs Schenn... besides from the obvious, Schenn is less likely to be destroyed by the Toronto media. Big, big plus.

Not sure why so many want to move Kadri. I wouldnt trade him straight up for schenn right now, never mind throwing in draft picks.

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If we simplify it a bit, maybe

To Tor:

Schenn

To LA:

Kadri
One of the first from 2011
3rd round


I don't this LA bites on this but one can dream.

Kadri vs Schenn... besides from the obvious, Schenn is less likely to be destroyed by the Toronto media. Big, big plus.
Yeah, I doubt LA is in any hurry to get rid of either of the guys I mentioned (schenn, brown) and they would both require some sort of overpayment. Seeing as how Lombardi wouldn't let burke make the trade to move up and draft schenn I doubt he'd move him for the package you mentioned.

That would be fairly similar to what would have likely been offered at the draft (based on what we had to give up when we moved up to grab Luke Schenn). That, plus they want something that helps them now.

Basically I could see the convo going like this:

Lombardi: Hey burke, we want some players for our playoff run

Burke: OK, but any deal we make has to include B.Schenn coming our way

Lombardi: Fine, but if we move Schenn we insist on kessel coming back

Burke: Well, I guess, but if we're moving Kessel we want Brown coming back too.

etc, etc.

It just seems like it would be difficult to find a deal that both sides would like. That's why I feel, if burke truly wants those players, it will take an overpayment that we likely wouldn't be too happy with.

Although, as I said, getting B.Schenn and D.Brown would make me forget about almost anybody going the other way (Luke Schenn is the only major exception to that)

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Not sure why so many want to move Kadri. I wouldnt trade him straight up for schenn right now, never mind throwing in draft picks.
Are you serious? Why on earth not?

Also, I dont think it's so much about wanting to get rid of Kadri as it is about wanting to bring in Brayden Schenn and realizing that you have to make LA want to move him when they wouldn't otherwise.

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Kessel + Kadri + 1st + 1st

for

Brown + Stoll + Schenn + Clifford

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Kessel + Kadri + 1st + 1st

for

Brown + Stoll + Schenn + Clifford
I dont know much about Clifford, what's his deal?

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Are you serious? Why on earth not?

Also, I dont think it's so much about wanting to get rid of Kadri as it is about wanting to bring in Brayden Schenn and realizing that you have to make LA want to move him when they wouldn't otherwise.
Well Brayden Schenn isn't a better player than Nazem Kadri. Thats the one and only and simple reason I wouldn't trade Kadri vs. Schenn straight up as well.

I would love to add Brayden Schenn but only if it doesn't include Nazem Kadri.

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Kessel + Kadri + 1st + 1st

for

Brown + Stoll + Schenn + Clifford
Not sure how Stoll is playing this year... Is this a salary dump or if he playing to his salary level.

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Well Brayden Schenn isn't a better player than Nazem Kadri. Thats the one and only and simple reason I wouldn't trade Kadri vs. Schenn straight up as well.

I would love to add Brayden Schenn but only if it doesn't include Nazem Kadri.
Schenn in my book is a definate plus over Kadri. Especailly mentally...

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I dont know much about Clifford, what's his deal?
I meant to put Toffoli. Toffoli has 48 goals already this year in the OHL. He's 6'1 181 lbs.

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Not sure how Stoll is playing this year... Is this a salary dump or if he playing to his salary level.
GP G A Pts +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG Shots PtsPG
59 16 18 34 3 28 2 1 3 148 0.58

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Well Brayden Schenn isn't a better player than Nazem Kadri. Thats the one and only and simple reason I wouldn't trade Kadri vs. Schenn straight up as well.

I would love to add Brayden Schenn but only if it doesn't include Nazem Kadri.
I'm just really not sure I understand this thought process.

Just try this, transport yourself back to draft day, we have pick number 7 and LA has pick number 5. LA says, hey wanna switch picks.....and you would say.....?

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I meant to put Toffoli. Toffoli has 48 goals already this year in the OHL. He's 6'1 181 lbs.
I see.

Well, then unfortunately I think LA says no. As I said before, they dont want to move Schenn, they dont want to move Brown (their captain) either, therefore if we want them, it's gotta be an overpayment. They wont, IMO add a top prospect as well.

Perhaps if you removed that so your deal would be:

Kessel, Kadri, 1st, 1st

for

Schenn, Brown, Stoll.

That might work.

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I see.

Well, then unfortunately I think LA says no. As I said before, they dont want to move Schenn, they dont want to move Brown (their captain) either, therefore if we want them, it's gotta be an overpayment. They wont, IMO add a top prospect as well.

Perhaps if you removed that so your deal would be:

Kessel, Kadri, 1st, 1st

for

Schenn, Brown, Stoll.

That might work.
What about exchanging Toffoli for Clifford than?

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What about exchanging Toffoli for Clifford than?
Possibly.

As I said, I dont know much about Clifford so it's hard for me to say.

If Clifford's value is basically little more than a throw in, I could see it. Otherwise, I dont think LA does it without us adding.

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If we simplify it a bit, maybe

To Tor:

Schenn

To LA:

Kadri
One of the first from 2011
3rd round


I don't this LA bites on this but one can dream.

Kadri vs Schenn... besides from the obvious, Schenn is less likely to be destroyed by the Toronto media. Big, big plus.
Crazy overpayment on the Leafs part. Kadri's upside is no different than Schenn's. At worst, it is marginal. LA surely wants to improve their current team, and will want someone special to get rid of Schenn. Kadri doesn't help them now.

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I'm just really not sure I understand this thought process.

Just try this, transport yourself back to draft day, we have pick number 7 and LA has pick number 5. LA says, hey wanna switch picks.....and you would say.....?
Not to point out the obvious but this is almost 2 years later then draft day. Kadri is lighting up the AHL while Schenn is playing jr.

Theirs no reason to do a Kadri-Schenn switch ATM.

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Seeing as my proposal got lost in the shuffle in the last thread I'll try this again.

To L.A.
RW - 23 yo Phil Kessel
C - 20 yo Nazem Kadri

To Tor
RW - 26 yo Dustin Brown (Captain of Kings)
C - 19 yo Brayden Schenn
D - 21 yo Viatcheslav Voynov (2008 2nd rounder, currently 40 pts in 55 games in AHL)

Breaks down as:
Kadri for Schenn
Kessel for Brown, Voynov

We would definitely lose some skill from our top 6, but we would gain some size, toughness and leadership for a top 6 which I believe we desperately need now and in the future. Along with gaining a top 4 dman who I've heard is ready to make the leap to the NHL right now(I haven't seen him play though). Possible PP QB, seems he's already passed Hickey on LA's depth chart.

We may have to add a 2nd or 3rd to balance out the Kadri for Schenn part.

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