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02-21-2011, 01:31 PM
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Richards or laich
Erhoff or kaberle

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02-21-2011, 02:05 PM
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Brad Richards 6 yrs @ $8.5M

1. Richards. Crazy money, yes. Why? (A) You typically overpay in FA by $0.5M-1M per; (B) Leafs' biggest need by far is #1 center; (C) the UFA market for a #1 center is abysmal for the next two years, Richards is basically the only guy; and (D) otherwise you're going to be spending prospect, picks, and still a great deal of cash/cap to obtain a Paul Stastny ($6.6M per cap & cash) or a Jason Spezza ($7.0M per cap/ $6.25M per cash).

I'm all for overpaying for Richards as long as the term is reasonable (5 or 6 years), as signing him fulfills the need for a #1 center and doesn't require spending any other assets (prospects & picks) other than cash/cap which is available. Things will fall into place for the team as a whole with him added, and signing Richards helps our prospects to properly develop and hopefully come into a winning environment.
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
see I would hate this signing for a the basic reason of Richards will be 31 by the start of next season, and that means he would be 37 in the last year of the contract, in 3-4 years when he's 34-35 will he still be the 90pt player? because this is when were gonna be challenging for the cup, and his contract will be more of a problem then a benefit. and you bet that deal would come with a full NMC so sending him to the minors or w/e is out of the question, so again by the time we are ready to compete this contract will look terrible and why we should stay away from Richards. espicially now that he's expierencing Concusion like symptoms.

UFA market is filled with more bust's then quality signings imo and therefore I would like to see us just build from within and let Kadri/Colborne play instead of making big signings.

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02-21-2011, 02:19 PM
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I would MUCH rather a 5-year term myself, but I think Richards is going to want a contract that sees him through age 36 like Marc Savard recently signed.

I don't disagree with you that that last year or maybe last two years could be a pain in the ass, like Chris Drury with the Rangers now. Though Richards could still be somewhat/mildly productive at that age (at center or winger), which will help soften the blow.

Ultimately though I bite the bullet because I'd rather deal with a highly overpaid 35-year-old and a highly overpaid 36-year-old Brad Richards and still keep Nazem Kadri and Joe Colborne in the Leafs' system. As opposed to likely having to trade one of them plus more for another #1 center who is still paid a lot of money.

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02-21-2011, 02:23 PM
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Richards, Laich, Upshall, Ehrhoff and Bryzgalov

edit: Pitkanen aswell.

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02-21-2011, 02:34 PM
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I forgot to mention that Rangers' Marc Staal recently signed for 5 yrs @ $3.975M per, which provided something of a basis for the extension for Luke Schenn.
Hey now! Schenn is no an all star!

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02-21-2011, 04:40 PM
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The Leafs cannot bank on getting the top tier UFA's.

What the team currently lacks is topline talent to play with Kessel, yet it is still important to leave open positions that could be filled from the farm system.

Ideally Richards would fill a top spot, but just like Kovalchuk, Thornton, etc., Leaf fans are unreasonable in their expectations.

Players will have to be moved to bring in top line talent.

Currently the roster for next year sits at:

Lupul - Blank - Kessel

MacArthur - Grabovski - Kulemin

Blank - Bozak - Armstrong

Brown - Boyce - Hanson


Phaneuf - Aulie

Schenn - Komisarek

Gunnarsson - Lebda


Gustavsson

Reimer



More than likely the Leafs will have to move a package of players for what they hope will be a player that fits on the top line.

Being realistic a package of MacArthur, Grabovski, and Gunnarsson might be able to return a top end player from a team that is looking to spread salary out through the line up rather and fill a few positions at the same time.

AS AN EXAMPLE, lets look at New Jersey.

The Leafs trade Grabovski, MacArthur, Gunnarsson, and high picks for Zajac and Clarkson. Grabovski is replaced internally with Kadri/Colborne, and the wing spot is filled with lets say Justin Williams/Zherdev/Frolov type of player.

If Komisarek can be moved then a puck moving type player such as Pitkanen could be brought in.

Lupul - Zajac - Kessel

Williams - Kadri/Colborne - Kulemin

Clarkson - Bozak - Armstrong

Brown - Boyce - Hanson

Orr

Phaneuf - Aulie

Schenn - Pitkanen

Lebda/Blacker/Gardiner/Holzer/etc. - UFA



Realistically speaking the Leafs will have to be creative in an attempt to try and acquire at least 1 topline player. It is much easier to sign 2nd and 3rd liners via UFA so the likely option will have to involve moving some of the players on the team that hold value partly due to the salary they make.

My disclaimer here is that I am in no way suggesting this was a fair trade one way or another. It is a realistic approach to what would need to be done IF the Leafs plan on contending for a playoff position as early as next year.

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02-21-2011, 04:56 PM
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Scottie Upshall, Brad Richards and Thomas Kaberle those are the 3 players I want. Will we get them probably not.

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02-21-2011, 04:58 PM
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Richards, 6yr/8.5 million per.

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Markov, just to troll the Habs

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I don't have the psychic powers to know who will be available to be signed on July 1.
Always warm and fuzzy Moose... Maybe the question should be, which UFA's will want TO?

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Markov, just to troll the Habs
Hopefully he will work out just as well as Komi has.

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1) B. Richards

2) I. Bryzgalov

3A) T. Kaberle
3B) C. Ehrhoff
3C) A. Markov

4) Laich

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02-21-2011, 05:21 PM
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Maybe I. Bryzgalov is our key to playoffs.

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02-21-2011, 05:22 PM
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Upshall, Markov and Bieksa

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02-21-2011, 05:41 PM
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Maybe I. Bryzgalov is our key to playoffs.
A legit #1 goalie would be a good start. The Leafs can sign Richards, Laich, Kaberle, and Upshall and still won't make the playoffs with AHL goaltending.

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A legit #1 goalie would be a good start. The Leafs can sign Richards, Laich, Kaberle, and Upshall and still won't make the playoffs with AHL goaltending.
I'm just amazed at how he makes Phoenix a playoff contender. They don't even have a guy with 20 goals..

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All I want is Bryz.

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I don't think Bryzgalov leaves Phoenix.

Consider that this year they are already paying him $4.5M in salary, and he has a $4.25M cap hit. They are used to building their team with that amount of money being allocated to him, so re-signing him isn't any difficult jump of sorts.

And it seems we're wisely past the days of goalies making $5M-plus per, $6M-plus per. Bryz will likely make around $4.5M which, as stated earlier, Phoenix is used to paying him that. So he'll stay there.

Besides, what's the likelihood of Burke spending big dollars on a big-name free agent goaltender? How often has he done that in his career? I think it's more likely he goes with the youngsters in the system.

Maybe keep an eye on Tomas Vokoun, if you want. I ran down a list of teams in the league that might spend to have him: FLA, TOR, NYI, OTT, and COL. Which of those teams does sign him though?

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I don't think Bryzgalov leaves Phoenix.

Consider that this year they are already paying him $4.5M in salary, and he has a $4.25M cap hit. They are used to building their team with that amount of money being allocated to him, so re-signing him isn't any difficult jump of sorts.

And it seems we're wisely past the days of goalies making $5M-plus per, $6M-plus per. Bryz will likely make around $4.5M which, as stated earlier, Phoenix is used to paying him that. So he'll stay there.

Besides, what's the likelihood of Burke spending big dollars on a big-name free agent goaltender? How often has he done that in his career? I think it's more likely he goes with the youngsters in the system.

Maybe keep an eye on Tomas Vokoun, if you want. I ran down a list of teams in the league that might spend to have him: FLA, TOR, NYI, OTT, and COL. Which of those teams does sign him though?
Would Vokoun sign a 2 year deal? Probably not at his age, he'll be looking for a retirement contract is my guess. Too much term for the Leafs.

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I'm not sure Vokoun is in much of a position to demand a certain term.

Unless he wants to go to the KHL, that is.

But we'll see I guess.

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If the hockey gods somehow shine down on us and somehow get Richards into a leafs jersey, I would say go for Laich, Erhroff, Upshall and Bryz and send Komi to the minors and try and get Lashoff through re-entry or just bring up Holzer.

But when that doesn't happen

Let the kids play, sign no one and take one of the Sting boys, Murray, or even Frk.

Kulemin - Grabo - Mac (or trade for picks if necessary)
Lupul - Kadri/Colbourne (Let them take turns) - Kessel
Caputi - Bozak - Armstrong
Orr - Hanson - Brown

Phaneuf - Aulie
Blacker/Lashoff/Gysber/Gardiner - Schenn
Komisarek - LEBDA!!!

Gus
Reimer

Then draft hard with all the cap space we should have

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The two I'm sure that Burke will talk with are Richards and Laich.

I wouldn't mind either. Obviously depending on the ticket.

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I'm not sure Vokoun is in much of a position to demand a certain term.

Unless he wants to go to the KHL, that is.

But we'll see I guess.
2y/5per, would be fantastic and let Reimer develop behind him.

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Steven Stamkos - I'm just asking for Burke to try. Just piss off Yzerman, break the bank, whatever. Just offer sheet the guy and bring him home where he belongs!

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I like Laich as a hockey player, but I'm having a hard time seeing why he's in such demand by Leafs fans.

1. He is a winger, not a center. He plays on the wing.

2. Even if he was a center, he's not even cloe to a first-line center. Which is what the Leafs need.

3. It's quite the stretch to say he's a first-line LW. At the very least, he is not anymore of a first-line LW than Joffrey Lupul, so there's no point to signing him in that regard.

3. Signing him as the second-line LW doesn't make any damn sense either. We're going to spend $4.25M per on Laich (outbid Washington) when we can just re-sign MacArthur, who complements Grabo-Kuli and has chemistry with them, at $3M? Are you kidding me?

Someone please reasonably explain it to me.

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