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02-22-2011, 12:36 AM
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Wow Dallas fans think they've got a fast, PP specialist, that hits, and can play against other top players. They are in for a rude awakening.

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Honestly if I was Conner I would not relinquish my number. While I don't necessarily disagree with JTG saying that guys on one-way deals should get the number they want, I think it should go by seniority more than anything. Conner has been here for a few months, and if he doesnt want to give up 18, that's his right. No reason that just because we make a trade for someone he should have to give it up. I mean it's not like Neal has necessarily made himself a commodity with this specific number. No one necessarily knwos him by "#18 James Neal" like they know Crosby, Malkin, or hell, even say 91 for Brad Richards going off a guy on his team. Or if you want to go with a more commonly used number, a guy like #13 Pavel Datsyuk. I just think that Neal is 23, and he hasn't necessarily earned the right to call a number his own. If Conner is willing to give it up then sure that's great. But I don't think he should be under any sort of pressure to do so.

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02-22-2011, 12:51 AM
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Wow Dallas fans think they've got a fast, PP specialist, that hits, and can play against other top players. They are in for a rude awakening.
You kidding me? most are ripping Gogo apart like they know what they got.

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02-22-2011, 12:55 AM
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Honestly if I was Conner I would not relinquish my number. While I don't necessarily disagree with JTG saying that guys on one-way deals should get the number they want, I think it should go by seniority more than anything. Conner has been here for a few months, and if he doesnt want to give up 18, that's his right. No reason that just because we make a trade for someone he should have to give it up. I mean it's not like Neal has necessarily made himself a commodity with this specific number. No one necessarily knwos him by "#18 James Neal" like they know Crosby, Malkin, or hell, even say 91 for Brad Richards going off a guy on his team. Or if you want to go with a more commonly used number, a guy like #13 Pavel Datsyuk. I just think that Neal is 23, and he hasn't necessarily earned the right to call a number his own. If Conner is willing to give it up then sure that's great. But I don't think he should be under any sort of pressure to do so.
If it means that much to Neal, he can buy the number from CC

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02-22-2011, 12:57 AM
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You kidding me? most are ripping Gogo apart like they know what they got.
Not from what I've been reading. It seems like most are trying to rationalize giving away Neal and Niskanen(not so much Niskanen) for only Goligoski.

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02-22-2011, 01:26 AM
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If it means that much to Neal, he can buy the number from CC
Also true. I like this a lot more than Conner just relinquishing the number. If Neal is willing to make that good of an offer that Conner doesn't care....so be it.

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neal-81. niksanan 3?

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Goligoski's a good player and will only get better. To put things in perspective, he only has 8 points less than Neal.

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Hopefully a sign of things to come, I started a new season on NHL 11 with Neal and Niskanen. Beat the Flyers 11-4 and Neal had 2 goals, 4 assists.

It was on the highest difficulty too. So I think it's probably going to happen in real life.

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I have heard he lost a small bit of that edge since he got that suspension. But does he ever fit the toughness on this team. He not only brings the scoring, but he just adds to making the Pens one of the damned toughest teams around. The Pens are becoming a lot like what people think of when they think of a Western team this year.

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On the Stars board ive read from a few posters that Neal is streaky an inconsistent.

Not sure how worried we should be if that is true. Will miss the Goose though.

But honestly if this signing means Dupuis is gone at the end of the year then im all for it.

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Trade Neal For A Winger For Sid

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On the Stars board ive read from a few posters that Neal is streaky an inconsistent.

Not sure how worried we should be if that is true. Will miss the Goose though.

But honestly if this signing means Dupuis is gone at the end of the year then im all for it.
Neal can come here and be streaky, inconsistent and whatever other negative things people can come up with and he'll still be this team's best winger by a mile.

Ray Shero did mention Neal is still young and inconsistent and that's something he needs to work on. He noted how Neal is only 23 and isn't a finished product yet. He said he's heard good things about Neal's work ethic from people that know him and said the coaches can work with him on his weaknesses and becoming more consistent etc.

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On the Stars board ive read from a few posters that Neal is streaky an inconsistent.

Not sure how worried we should be if that is true. Will miss the Goose though.

But honestly if this signing means Dupuis is gone at the end of the year then im all for it.
You shouldn't be worried. He is still a good player with the potential to be great. If he didn't have flaws he wouldn't even have been traded. His inconsistency can be infuriating but he will still be a solid 25-30 goal 50-60 point guy at worst. Its just his inconsistency, lack of physicality/drive and soft play at times (he can be physically dominant when he wants to though), and problems with confidence that will probably keep him from being an elite player. However you got Neal for Goligoski, who also isn't likely to be an elite player, so its not like you lost out. I have seen some comparing Neal to Bill Guerin and that seems about right. Neal was expendable not because he isn't any good he was expendable because Benn, Morrow, and Eriksson are better and we have more than a few potential top 6 guys in the system. He should do very well in Pittsburgh.

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02-22-2011, 04:51 AM
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haha,he hit Tyutin from behind out of all people. I see a pattern here.


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02-22-2011, 05:03 AM
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James Neal is Corey Perry-lite. I've wanted Neal for a long time, but figured that was just wishful thinking.

Neal is what we hope Tangradi will be.

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02-22-2011, 05:27 AM
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James Neal is Corey Perry-lite. I've wanted Neal for a long time, but figured that was just wishful thinking.

Neal is what we hope Tangradi will be.
Except he can actually shoot.

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Except he can actually shoot.
Yeah, I'd say that's the biggest difference. It doesn't mean Tangradi can't be effective though. Ryan Malone couldn't shoot that good either. Tangradi is really good at deflections. I haven't really seen that from him in the NHL, but some of his deflection goals for WBS have been sick.

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I kinda like this only with Nisk wearing

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If you think he was rushed and needs time to catch up to his physical ability, exactly how is he going to get that in the NHL on a bottom pairing? We can't send him down to the AHL because he'd have to go through waivers.

Maybe the change of scenery will spark his confidence and he'll completely turn himself around from arguably the worst defenseman in the NHL to a useful asset. Stranger things have happened but I see nothing to suggest this is likely and if I'm going to pin irrational hope on somebody, it won't be Niskanen.
He was Dallas scoring leader among defenseman in 08/09 by a large margin. Yes, this season he is bad, but ha proved that he can be a very effective NHL player. And our game seems to be better for his style of play it seems.

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Jeez, that lineup posted earlier with:

Neal - Crosby - Kunitz
Tangradi - Staal - Malkin

looks nasty on paper. Unfortunately at this point Tangradi's name looks better on paper than on NHL ice, but he's going to need a chance at some point.

Then you have

Cooke - Letestu - Kennedy
Adams - Jeffrey - X

That's a dominant team. Top 6 would be miserable to play against.

Jeffrey's still the wild card. Could fit in a a top 6 wing, L3 C or L4 C.

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Yeah, at some point, the team is going to have to just keep Tangradi up and let him play it out. He's either going to sink or swim. This up and down stuff, and only giving him 5 mins a night isn't cutting it and does no good for anyone.

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Finally got through all this. First off, Great job Ray. Love this trade. I don't think Niskanen is nearly as bad as most people perceive him to be, but that's just my opinion. I think this should and does spell the end for the Staalkin experiment though. My line combos for next year.

Kunitz-Sid-Jeffrey (Sid and Kuni have proven chemistry, and Jeffrey has shown talent)
Neal-Malkin-Letestu (Testube is good at finding soft spots in the ice, and has f/o talent)
Cooke-Staal-Kennedy (No explanation needed)
Rupp-Adams-???

Who does that leave out? Tangradi, Asham, Goddard, Conner. Heck I'm sure with how frazzled my brain is over this trade I am missing a few. I know it sucks not putting ET in the top 6 there but has he shown anything that says he rates it more than Letestu or Jeffrey? I am not sure how this all pans out in the end, but I like the looks of those lines.

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To put things in perspective, he only has 8 points less than Neal.
And if he didn't, there would be NO CHANCE IN HELL we'd be able to land a James Neal for him. This is the epitome of selling high on a hockey player.

Well done, Pens management.

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And even then, that's more of a credit to Goligoski than a knock on Neal. Goligoski puts up points effortlessly.

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