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02-21-2011, 05:02 PM
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“We’re very excited to add Alex Goligoski to our hockey club,” said Nieuwendyk. “Alex is a legitimate top-four defenseman who will have a positive impact on our entire crops of blue-liners. He has averaged over 20 minutes per game and can play in all situations.”

That's Joe Nieuwendyk's quote from the official site. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't a top-line winger at Neal's age on his salary, plus a regular defenceman get you a legitimate top pairing guy? I would guess Niskanen's minute count wasn't far from Goligoski's either.

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Who do we have other than Morrow who can play LW on the top two lines? You move Benn to LW that creates a hole on the right side, and Ott is better suited to the third line. The team has some nice prospects but none of them are ready to step up right now. Just seems like this deal would make more sense during the off season.
..Eriksson?

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Most definitely, dating back to draft day on ADSP.
I never was on ADSP in 05. So you're thinking about someone else.

With Goligoski he's going to have to be paired with the right defense partner, that will take care of in front of the net. So hopefully Goligoski is paired with Fistric. Goligoski definitely will be helping out the powerplay, he's a good but not a great puck mover.

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Doesn't anybody remember when we wanted to kick Joe out of town for ditching Modano and Turco ? Looked how that turned out for us.. I just PRAY Joe knows EXACTLY what hes doing with this trade.

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I'm not saying it would have driven up Neal's value but I am saying with Fowler perhaps we could have looked beyond Goligoski's small salary and cap hit for an actual better all around defenseman to pair with the hypothetical Fowler.

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Not trying to be dick here but WTF is Joe thinking? Neal is a 30 + goal scorer and will tear it up with Crosby, Matt Niskanen tofor Alex Goligoski is a fair trade IMO.

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02-21-2011, 05:07 PM
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So being a fifth defenceman on a Cup winner makes him a valuable asset?
He's a 5th d-man primarily because Pittsburgh currently has a top 4 they don't want to tinker with. He did post 9 points in 13 games last playoffs. If that's what a 5th d-man can do, then I'd like to see what he can do as a no.1/no.2 d-man.

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..Eriksson?
Creates a hole at RW. With Neal gone Dallas is short one top six forward for the season. Not a big deal if they plan to be sellers at the deadline and rebuild/restock, but if they are still trying for the playoffs it is a need that has to be addressed.

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We can't see the big picture?

You want to give Nieuwendyk credit for dumping Niskanen? Way to ****ing go, Joe. You were forced to accept less in a trade to fix a clearly avoidable mistake you made in the offseason. They should've held absolutely firm on Niskanen's qualifying offer. Maybe if he was making 900k he wouldn't have ended up being a drain.

We're creating "leverage" to re-sign Richards? I don't think so. We just traded his best friend for someone to replace him on the PP. The lenders didn't have a problem giving Daley an exorbitant contract, you think they weren't going to spring for a revenue-generating, franchise value-inflating Brad Richards? It doesn't matter what the lenders can scrounge together for Nieuwendyk to offer. Richards wants to be on a team that's not a cluster****.

******* this trade sucks.
James Neal lived with Richards for awhile. Does that make them best buddies, no! And, "best friend"?! Do you know Richards personally? There is no way you could possibly know that. And Goligoski is NOT going to replace Brad as the PPQB. Richards is the best PPQB in the league and Goli, while in Pit, didn't even control the PP. I doubt he controls it here in Dallas.

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Not trying to be dick here but WTF is Joe thinking? Neal is a 30 + goal scorer and will tear it up with Crosby, Matt Niskanen tofor Alex Goligoski is a fair trade IMO.

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Benn can fill in the top LW spot. Or try Vincour. We have quite a few options.

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“We’re very excited to add Alex Goligoski to our hockey club,” said Nieuwendyk. “Alex is a legitimate top-four defenseman who will have a positive impact on our entire crops of blue-liners. He has averaged over 20 minutes per game and can play in all situations.”

That's Joe Nieuwendyk's quote from the official site. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't a top-line winger at Neal's age on his salary, plus a regular defenceman get you a legitimate top pairing guy? I would guess Niskanen's minute count wasn't far from Goligoski's either.
Niskanen was averaging like 12-14 a game and would go back to being scratched once Grossman got healthy.

And no, top-line wingers Neal's age and salary plus a terrible D like Niskanen will not get you Weber. Good defenseman are really valuable. They cost a lot, either in real/cap dollars or in assets. That's why Daley's salary is what it is, why Niskanen got so much as an RFA and so forth.

Neal is a top-line winger with big knocks against him (incredibly streaky, doesn't use his size, only has chemistry with one center) and Niskanen is a scratch D. That gets you a solid, young defenseman with upside but some minor knocks (lack of size) on an even better salary.

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Gotta say I feel bad for you guys. Leafs have it pretty bad but to pass up on Fowler in favor a goaltender, then having Kari coming in and going beastmode then trading away Neal for Goligoski..talk about a ****storm.

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Creates a hole at RW. With Neal gone Dallas is short one top six forward for the season. Not a big deal if they plan to be sellers at the deadline and rebuild/restock, but if they are still trying for the playoffs it is a need that has to be addressed.
Ott played very well with Ribeiro and Morrow last year, so he's an option (who plays LW and RW). Put Benn on the top line and move Ott to Ribeiro's RW.

Or put Benn on the top line and continue trying out Vincour, Langenbrunner, Burish and Ott with Ribeiro.

There are a lot of options with the guys already up. They already weren't getting a lot of production out of Ribeiro's RW, and putting Benn on Richards' left won't change that.

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- Niskanen/Grossman/Daley/Robidas/Fistric/Burish or any of the non-NTC/NMC players or prospects for Goligoski sure wouldn't have gotten it done..
Well Robidas is one of the NTC players.

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Does anybody know if archived game log stats exist for Neal's OHL days?
Yeah they exist, I'd have to find the link on google to his OHL page. He had struggled I know his second half of his junior year his draft year, then suffered a injury that he missed some time with in his next two draft seasons.

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I'm not saying it would have driven up Neal's value but I am saying with Fowler perhaps we could have looked beyond Goligoski's small salary and cap hit for an actual better all around defenseman to pair with the hypothetical Fowler.
Well Fowler would be in the minors with this team, so it's kind of irrelevant who they would pair him with.

And I'm not sure how many really good defensemen are being dealt, honestly. Bogosian might want out, but Atlanta doesn't look to be willing to move him. Anyone really good is not going anywhere because really good defensemen are valuable.

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02-21-2011, 05:18 PM
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Don't mind it at all. Neal was bound to be the odd man out in the top 6. Maybe leave Langs with Ribs and Morrow and bring Benn up. Problem solved. Add a defenseman, even bigger problem solved. Get healthy...the biggest problem solved.

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If this means Richards is asking for 8mil + then he can peace out.

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If this means Richards is asking for 8mil + then he can peace out.
Why do you think it would mean that?

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This is about Nieuwendyk overpaying for a skill set he wanted and ignoring the fact Goligoski is an undersized fifth defenceman and power-play specialist. To add in a former first round pick in Niskanen (whether he developed or not) is just insulting to our intelligence, especially a team that keeps saying it is drafting well (it hasn't for some time).
It's insulting to our intelligence to merge Matt Niskanen the NHL player with the fact that he was, at one time, a 1st round draft pick (a reach at the time btw). Bringing up his draft status means jack in the same way that Benn happened to be picked in the 5th round. It's literally the single most useless piece of information to bring up.

The team is drafting well, on the whole. The last two drafts are too recent to judge the 1st rounders, and judging exclusively by 1st round picks is again, pointless. If you can get two NHL players out of a draft you're doing alright and recently the Stars are doing that and then some.

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Look at Versteeg, look at Chris Stewart, etc. and tell me honestly he got value back. You can't.
Versteeg returned exclusively futures (in a weak draft) and Chris Stewart was part of a significant package deal, thereby muddying the waters. Also, Stewart is a better player in virtually all aspects of the game than Neal. They are not equal players.

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Shattenkirk and EJ both got dealt and IMO both are better than goligoski. Lots of names have been mentioned in talks around the league. Someone was available my point is Joe screwed up in that he had to pay for what he should have gotten for free. IE no Fowler and Neal for Goligoski.

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I never was on ADSP in 05. So you're thinking about someone else.
If you say so. It must have been another Jason on there or I'm misremembering the dates. That was you who was giving us the book on Sacchetti prior to his getting drafted, was it not?...in which case it wasn't long after Niskanen had been drafted.

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Why does everyone think Dallas got hosed here? There aren't a lot of players like Goligoski in the NHL, if they need a blue liner that can move the puck, they got a potentially very good one.

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i said IMO, even if it's not a fair trade it wouldn't be that far off.

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Niskanen is a throw away player, he's absolutely worthless.

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