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02-21-2011, 04:25 PM
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I believe I misread you, must be all the spit on my monitor, enraged over my hatred of PG.

.. and I'm too lazy to go back and edit my post now. So go ahead, give it to me.
Spit is not whats blocking your view. Your hatred is blinding you.

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02-21-2011, 04:25 PM
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So an overrated soft defenceman gets you a Top 6 PF, yet PG was only able to get Lars ****ing Eller for Halak...

Can we kidnap Holgrem, Shero, Chiarelli and cie and make them work for the habs ?
"But...but...but Lars was the best possible offer PG could have gotten"

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02-21-2011, 04:25 PM
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You kids should stop playing Be a GM on NHL 11...

Who are you willing to give for Neal ?

Subban ? Pac ? Eller ?

Can't wait to see NHL 12 GM Mode to come out

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02-21-2011, 04:26 PM
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i bet crosby s done for the year.an theres also been alot of talk about neal being a super party animal.dont know if thats true ,,,but apparently he makes kane look like a 6 year old.

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02-21-2011, 04:27 PM
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Apples and oranges, the market for goalies is much weaker than it is for offensive defensemen.
Especially given that PMDs are a premium in the league while goalies are not.

If we traded Price today, what return do you expect to get for him? Maybe Neal and Niskanen. MAYBE.

Highly doubt we get Stewart and Shattenkirk.

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02-21-2011, 04:27 PM
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I don't think this trade is all that bad tbh.

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02-21-2011, 04:27 PM
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It's a great trade for Dallas, they got young puck-moving defenceman, while dealing from the position of strength - they still got Morrow, Eriksson, Benn as their Top-6 winger and Glennie as top prospect.

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02-21-2011, 04:30 PM
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I think we share the same ideas on what direction the team should be going in though.
That's because we're old, and remember how the Canadiens used to play.

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It's a great trade for Dallas, they got young puck-moving defenceman, while dealing from the position of strength - they still got Morrow, Eriksson, Benn as their Top-6 winger and Glennie as top prospect.
I was actually wondering who Dallas had to replace Neal. Thank you DoMakc for answering my question before I had a chance to type it.

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02-21-2011, 04:31 PM
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It's a great trade for Dallas, they got young puck-moving defenceman, while dealing from the position of strength - they still got Morrow, Eriksson, Benn as their Top-6 winger and Glennie as top prospect.
Yea good point.

This decision process is two fold from Dallas. A conscious decision that Neal can be replaced by Benn, making him expendable as he's a waste on the bottom 6.

Then a decision to find a young PMD that they can structure their core D around for years.

In terms of needs, it fills both teams. But still, I think Dallas gave up too much and Goligoski is still relatively unproven to be commanding that premium.

EDIT: before people jump on me for the unproven comment. I meant unproven as the go to guy for offense on the blueline. He's had Gonchar and then Letang in front of him on the Pittsburgh depth chart. Now he will be looked to for that role. Don't know how he will respond.

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02-21-2011, 04:32 PM
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I don't think this trade is all that bad tbh.
I guess it looks bad because we all thought the Pens would have had to have added a player, but Dallas did. I though Neal for Goligoski was enough, no reason to have added Niskanen. Unless Shero said he wouldn't complete the deal without having a d-man back and the first thing Dallas offered was niskanen.

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02-21-2011, 04:33 PM
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You kids should stop playing Be a GM on NHL 11...

Who are you willing to give for Neal ?

Subban ? Pac ? Eller ?

Can't wait to see NHL 12 GM Mode to come out
I heard there's Be a pro mode, GM mode and the newest edition, Be a better GM than Pierre Gauthier mode.

There's mini games, like sign a ****** player to a massive contract, then somehow trade that player away for something useful.

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02-21-2011, 04:33 PM
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"But...but...but Lars was the best possible offer PG could have gotten"
Gawd you're on a roll today.

We wouldn't have gotten much more for Halak, even if we would have waited. The past couple of years have shown that Goalies don't go for their fair market value.

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02-21-2011, 04:34 PM
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So an overrated soft defenceman gets you a Top 6 PF, yet PG was only able to get Lars ****ing Eller for Halak...

Can we kidnap Holgrem, Shero, Chiarelli and cie and make them work for the habs ?
Look at the junk we got for Patrick Roy a proven Stanley Cup winning goalie, plus we tossed in a leader like Keane. Halak had one hot playoffs he didn't have a deep resume to get much more.

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02-21-2011, 04:34 PM
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Goligoski = Subban?

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02-21-2011, 04:35 PM
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Dallas got absolutely fleeced in this deal. wow.

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Shero continues to give Holland a run for his money as the best GM in the business with this move...

As much as having Crosby/Malkin/Fleury thanks to some awful years, Shero has made a lot of great moves to make the Pens the team they currently are.

Even with Crosby/Malkin on the shelf, the pens continue to play decent hockey (11-9 in the past 20 games), and their roster looks set to continue being a serious contender for the next few seasons.

Not sure how/why Dallas was adding to this deal, and if Niskanen finds his game in Pitts, the deal will end up terribly lopsided (Niskanen showed great promise in his first 2 seasons, and at 24, certainly has time to get back to a solid level).

maybe it had as much to do with clearing some cap room to re-sign Richards (~2.5M$) as it did with adding a much needed PP dman.

I'm not particularly critical of PG's moves thus far, I think his work has been average, but if we are going to see this roster built into a contender, he'll have to do much better than average moving forward... he needs to start taking pointers from GM's like Shero, Holland and Gillis...

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02-21-2011, 04:37 PM
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Goligoski = Subban?
Depends on who you talk to. If we are comparing defenseman on our team though, Subban is the closest we have to compare.

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02-21-2011, 04:38 PM
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"But...but...but Lars was the best possible offer PG could have gotten"

any inside info, so you can show us otherwise ?

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any inside info, so you can show us otherwise ?
NHL 11 GM Mode...

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any inside info, so you can show us otherwise ?
Kevin Allen who is a good insider said that Atlanta called Gauthier for Halak and that Gauthier asked for Patrice Cormier. Dudley followed by refusing and never called Gauthier back.

So I wonder how much Halak was really worth if Dudley didn't even want to trade Cormier for him, yet we were expecting Backes or Oshie.

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02-21-2011, 04:44 PM
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I guess it looks bad because we all thought the Pens would have had to have added a player, but Dallas did. I though Neal for Goligoski was enough, no reason to have added Niskanen. Unless Shero said he wouldn't complete the deal without having a d-man back and the first thing Dallas offered was niskanen.
I agree. Neal for Goligoski seems more than fair.

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02-21-2011, 04:49 PM
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:r ant: If james neal was available that was definately one player i would of probably traded kristo,kostitsyn/eller AND weber for WOW WOW WOW!!!

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Kevin Allen who is a good insider said that Atlanta called Gauthier for Halak and that Gauthier asked for Patrice Cormier. Dudley followed by refusing and never called Gauthier back.

So I wonder how much Halak was really worth if Dudley didn't even want to trade Cormier for him, yet we were expecting Backes or Oshie.
I think the circumstances for ATL was different. I mean they traded Lethonen so they must have had some level of faith in Pavelec and weren't too bad pressed to get Halak. I think the cormier thing was just Dudley kicking around the tires, inquiring about available players and gathering info. In other words, he was just doing his job.

I don't claim to know that Halak would have landed Oshie though.


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:r ant: If james neal was available that was definately one player i would of probably traded kristo,kostitsyn/eller AND weber for WOW WOW WOW!!!
I don't know if Eller and Kostitsyn's value are comparable right now, but that's a lot of assets to give up for Neal.

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02-21-2011, 04:53 PM
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Here's one for the HF faithful, would you have done Neal for Weber (a downgrade on Goli) & 2 first round picks?

That IMO is what it would have taken for us to convince Dallas to take our package, despite Goligoski being the better player today (you can't ignore the assets those picks are).

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02-21-2011, 04:56 PM
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We were ready to deal Halak for Patrice ****ing Cormier?

Excuse me while I vomit.

Also, this is lulz:



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