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02-22-2011, 11:15 PM
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nhl.com says we're in 11th. We have more shootout wins than Chicago and Anaheim.

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02-22-2011, 11:16 PM
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^^Benn was arguably the best non-goaltender on the ice tonight. I'm sure he's the only reason people will still be watching this team down the stretch.
My point is...Did it make a difference in the result?

We can't even pot one goal when the need is to pot as many as we can. Shame on us for allowing injuries to be used as excuses for this team's failures.

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We're 11th. At least if we keep this up we'll get a top 8 pick again to blow on some project that will take 4 years to reach the NHL. If you're gonna miss the playoffs, miss it the right way amirite!!!!!

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02-22-2011, 11:22 PM
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WOAH Alistar! You're back! Why? Have you seen this team?
yeah I'm back, I never stopped watching the team.

I remember I got in an argument with you over whether or not Marc Crawford should have pulled Lehtonen in a game and I decided to take a break because it's kind of pathetic getting worked up about that and then I kept on my break because I figured me not posting was good luck for the Stars during the good times (I'm the superstitious type). That and I'm pretty busy with my new job in a new town.

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02-22-2011, 11:26 PM
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At least we got solid goaltending tonight! thats a positive!, but this team needs to start scoring some goals.

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02-22-2011, 11:26 PM
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Our lower lines are putrid. Sutherby Petersen Gagnon give you nothing. If Ribs and Morrow have to kill penalties uggh. Fistric/Skrastins brutal. First impression of Gogo here is that you could have just picked up MA Bergeron mid year. If Gogo was the target then scouting is weak. He is a specialist and maybe a good one not a top 4 and Neal had to get you a sure fire top 4. Gap control not good. Strength not good. Nice first pass and stretch pass though. Benn is real good though. I 'd blow it up but don't trust Newy so best case is do nothing else and let the new owners change out management. Brutal effort at home

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02-22-2011, 11:31 PM
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yeah I'm back, I never stopped watching the team.

I remember I got in an argument with you over whether or not Marc Crawford should have pulled Lehtonen in a game and I decided to take a break because it's kind of pathetic getting worked up about that and then I kept on my break because I figured me not posting was good luck for the Stars during the good times (I'm the superstitious type). That and I'm pretty busy with my new job in a new town.
Oh jeez, that was my fault? Sorry about that. You're one of my favorite posters because you're even more passionate/angry than I am. Oh, and you're superstitious? I would've never guessed.

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02-22-2011, 11:36 PM
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Our lower lines are putrid. Sutherby Petersen Gagnon give you nothing. If Ribs and Morrow have to kill penalties uggh. Fistric/Skrastins brutal. First impression of Gogo here is that you could have just picked up MA Bergeron mid year. If Gogo was the target then scouting is weak. He is a specialist and maybe a good one not a top 4 and Neal had to get you a sure fire top 4. Gap control not good. Strength not good. Nice first pass and stretch pass though. Benn is real good though. I 'd blow it up but don't trust Newy so best case is do nothing else and let the new owners change out management. Brutal effort at home
I thought Goligoski had some nice ideas earlier in the night but he wasn't on the same page as the other players. There were a couple of times where he skated into a dangerous (for the defenders) area of the attacking zone and he was simply missed by our forwards.

Goligoski seems to be a guy that is an off and on impact player but when you look at the totals at the end of the year he's more than respectable overall. Atleast let's reserve judgement till the end of the year when we have a reasonable sample size.

I'm pretty interested to see if Charlie Huddy can finally prove his worth by bringing Goligoski's game to another level.

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02-22-2011, 11:54 PM
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Huddy is weak. Fistric has regressed and so did Nisky since Crawford got here. Next deal will be Newy firing Crawford after we miss the playoffs to buy him some time unless we are lucky enough to get new owners and dump Newy before he destroys this team. F&%k Hicks

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02-23-2011, 12:03 AM
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Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

That's all I got to say.

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02-23-2011, 12:07 AM
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Well, at least the lack of Neal didn't hurt since he hasn't been scoring either.

Seriously, Eriksson, Morrow and Ribeiro pull your heads out of your butts and put the puck in net. You know you're getting not support from the lower lines at the moment. One of you is going to have to do it on your own.

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Pros:
Best seats ever (124 B 1&2)

Cons:
The teams on the ice
The fans around us
The outcome of the game

Seriously fire Crawford and find a coach with a real power play system, a nose for putting players to the grindstone and one that will figure out what the hell to do with our ragtag bunch of misfits.

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02-23-2011, 12:42 AM
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Our lower lines are putrid. Sutherby Petersen Gagnon give you nothing. If Ribs and Morrow have to kill penalties uggh. Fistric/Skrastins brutal. First impression of Gogo here is that you could have just picked up MA Bergeron mid year. If Gogo was the target then scouting is weak. He is a specialist and maybe a good one not a top 4 and Neal had to get you a sure fire top 4. Gap control not good. Strength not good. Nice first pass and stretch pass though. Benn is real good though. I 'd blow it up but don't trust Newy so best case is do nothing else and let the new owners change out management. Brutal effort at home
I think you're being a bit too hard on Goligoski.

He got beat really bad on the Kovy play, but part of that was Kovy making a great play and Gogo not being familar with his d-partner. Other than that, I didn't notice anything horrendous on the defensive side.

Gogo is definitely a talented player, that's obvious. The passing was on display and he made some solid decisions with the puck. If he can get comfortable with his new teammates and in the system, we will be happy with him in a top four role.

The Niewy hate is justified, but not because of the Neal trade. It's a culmination of things. Re-signing Barch, Daley, Niskanen, to horrible deals. Drafting Campbell over Fowler. Drafting Glennie (although the pick is starting to look better)... Basically I'm questioning his whole vision of where this team should go. With that said..

Our current losing streak has us all raising questions about the team direction. Injuries are not an excuse, but we would be naive to not acknowledge they are playing a part in this poor play. The defense is terrible outside of a few players, and the offense looks lost without Richards. The Niewy hate wouldn't be so rampant if we were still winning like we were earlier in the season. However, adding grinders instead of talented players is starting to show up in the loss column.

Niewy inherited all of the talent this team has.... He's made one good trade and that would be getting our starting netminder. What else has he added to the team talent wise?

At-least we're tough to play against...

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02-23-2011, 01:16 AM
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I know people will chastise me for this but I would put Loui in the press box for 1-2 games, he is either injured or exhausted..or reading too much publicity since the all star game..something is wrong becuase he is giving us nothing, and isnt skating hard at all..
I agree with you. He just seems off. Benn carried that line tonight. Eriksson has to contribute especially with Richards hurt and Neal traded to the Pens.

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The Burish signing was actually a good one. I think this team really misses Burish's leadership and positive outlook in the locker room. Ralph and Razor mentioned something earlier in the season about Burish bringing in the attitude that they could be a winning team, and making the locker room embrace it. Pretty sad if their mental fortitude is so low that they need him there to keep their faith in that though.

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The Burish signing was actually a good one. I think this team really misses Burish's leadership and positive outlook in the locker room. Ralph and Razor mentioned something earlier in the season about Burish bringing in the attitude that they could be a winning team, and making the locker room embrace it. Pretty sad if their mental fortitude is so low that they need him there to keep their faith in that though.
This. So much this.

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I thought Goligoski had some nice ideas earlier in the night but he wasn't on the same page as the other players. There were a couple of times where he skated into a dangerous (for the defenders) area of the attacking zone and he was simply missed by our forwards.

Goligoski seems to be a guy that is an off and on impact player but when you look at the totals at the end of the year he's more than respectable overall. Atleast let's reserve judgement till the end of the year when we have a reasonable sample size.

I'm pretty interested to see if Charlie Huddy can finally prove his worth by bringing Goligoski's game to another level.
There are going to be growing pains with him for a few games. But with what you said in your 2nd paragraph. He was allowed free reign to do that here in Pittsburgh because of how defensive most of our forwards are doing. He was allowed to pinch freely, or carry the puck to the net. Because one of the forwards would take his on line spot almost instantly.

He will end up having to strain that on your team, he will still do it a lot, but he will have to learn when to do it and when not to do it on a different roster. Give the guy time.

I watched most of the time and was impressed with how he handled bigger minutes. I saw him do this his first full time year (last season) when almost all Pittsburgh defenders were injured and we basically had a AHL defense. And he didn't handle the big minutes so well. Obviously his conditioning has improved and he has matured a bit as a player. Because IMO he first game with a new team, he handled the minutes very well.

I also heard the announcers say he did not get to practice with them yet, so I am guess by that statement other than pregame he has no real transition. So give the guy a bit of time.

He had some good up ice passes, some nice back checks, and kept his cool for the most part. There are going to be growing pains though on a new team.

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Pretty brutal and untimely penalty by goligoski... hopefully Neal & Nisk have a much more positive impact tomorrow!

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Pretty brutal and untimely penalty by goligoski... hopefully Neal & Nisk have a much more positive impact tomorrow!
God I hope not..I truthfully hope they suck a huge donk for you guys. That way, we can both be losers in this deal...heh

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I know its all dejure to blame the coaches and I'm not saying Huddy is the man or should be here but perhaps its time to say you can make chicken salad out of chicken ****.

Niskanen was flat out terrible and the contract Joe gave him was atrocious. That alone cost us getting something back in the Neal trade.

Woywitka getting 20 minutes a night is a sad commentary on our defense as a whole. He is an epic bust of gargantuan proportions. To say that he needs to go is simply redundant because size and skating ability alone has done nothing for him since his junior career.

Skrastins isn't the player he used to be and can no longer shut down guys which this team desperately needs. That he looks decent at times is more of a reflection of the rest of the blue line rather than an accurate picture of the quality of his game.

Daley can skate the puck out of trouble. That's good but its not worth his new 3.3 million six year deal. He's got talent and at times a pretty decent wrister his problem is size and hockey IQ. He has never taken his actual play on the ice to to match his physical skills.

Robidas gives effort but again he is physically mismatched and wears down due to the type of game he attempts to play. His shot is terrible and gets blocked frequently at the point. He's basically worthless on the power play. If he were a 5/6 guy I would have no problem with him but asking him to play 20+ minutes a night leads to one good 10 game spurt and regression as the season wears on. Counting on him to carry the load has proven ineffectual and a disservice to him and the fans.

Nik Grossman is a great 3/4 physical shutdown guy when he actually takes the body. I wish he'd take it more but he's not someone who's going to lead the rush, skate the puck out of trouble or make a brilliant pass spring the breakout. Every team needs one of these guys and at his price Dallas isn't going to find one better. That said Grossman is not some uber stud like Volchenkov, Orpik, or Sammy Salo before the injuries. He's our Talinder. A good guy to have on your team, a real professional but his play alone isn't enough to hide the suck of his teammates.

Marc Fistric has regressed. At times he runs guys looking for the big hit as opposed to the more beneficial positional play. His merry-go round of partners and sracthes doesn't help. He could blossom with a guy like Goligoski because then he'll know to leave the fancy stuff to his partner to take the body near the net and play with the physical edge he needs to become the defenseman he's capable of being. He's going to make the occasional terrible gaff but he needs consistent minutes and a consistent message of be the defensive d-man he can be that should put the fear of god into forecheckers.

What's all this mean? We've tweaked the forwards and changed systems. The coach has been replaced and the malcontents have been jettisoned. The ineffective and streaky goalie has been dumped but the one constant has been the kids need time. Not to criticize Kritter but the mantra of the defense is young is perhaps the wrong generalization. Yeah they're half young but the truth is they just suck and more minutes, different combinations, defensive forwards or a new coach/system isn't going to save things.

Dallas tried not to blow it up for a host of off ice issues and fear of what could happen but maybe now its time to acknowledge that the one constant on the backend is the problem and the team won't improve until it is addressed.

Goligoski is a start. Hopefully Larsen physically matures and becomes part of the solution. I'd keep Grossman and Daley's new deal basically forces our hand but the rest should be on the block. Hopefully Fistric becomes the beast he can be in the right role but if they keep trotting out the same players all we're doing is re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. They were sailing along this year hidden by everything else but there's still a hole under the water and finally the ballast system can no longer remove more water than we're taking on.

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