I agree here. Yakupov has the total package. Still, Yakupov being 5'11 and Gally being almost 6'2, I could see how some can argue they are equal. Galchenyuk is arguably just as complete as Yakupov minus skating stride.
Were my ears broken when I heard Fire burke chants? And were my eyes broken when I read that fire Burke thread?
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Is anything certain with any GM? I mean, Columbus could very well trade out of the #1, as some rumours have suggested, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least. After that, who knows what happens. CSB just came out with their final rankings having Murray ahead of Grigorenko (which isn't the 'HF consensus'), who says they don't take him?
All I'm trying to say is of course we don't know what Burke will do, just like we don't know what any GM will do. I don't know about other posters, but I haven't talked to any of these GMs to get a feel on what they like in a prospect. Drafts always have a few surprises and I don't expect this one to be any different.
No nothing is. That's exactly what I'm saying. Everyone talks about Gally like they KNOW for SURE that their team is gonna pick them. Can't tell you how many fanbases were posting in 2010 draft GDTs that since Fowler fell to them there was no way in hell they WEREN'T gonna pick him. I'll admit that when it comes to Galchenyuk I've been guilty of this as well...saying there's no chance Murray passes on him for x,y,z prospect. We just don't know.
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"Mr. Truculence" is also the guy who took Kadri over Kassian in 09.
He listens to his scouts like any good GM does, And if we take a D-man at #5 then so be it. But considering for the last 4 years(Since Sundin left) fans and media have been crying out for a #1 center and he's been scouring the trade and UFA market for one, I can't see him passing on any one of Grigorenko, Galchenyuk or Forsberg(if you consider him a C as well).
That fine. But don't say there's "no way in hell" like so many of your fans tend to do.
Were my ears broken when I heard Fire burke chants? And were my eyes broken when I read that fire Burke thread?
You sure have your hand on the pulse of Leafs Nation from Las Vegas. The vocal minority isn't the fanbase. How could we hate a guy that completely hosed Anaheim only months ago for a 1st pairing defenseman and forward? I think most sane fans/people realize the good with the bad and are willing to see how things go from here.
Gauging a fanbase off HFBoards threads is hilarity in its own.
I never heard this myself but it was reported by someone who watches the bulldogs, said he was on the dog's radio and right before he left they asked him about the draft. his response to paraphrase was
" If you believe the scouting agencies, theres a few russian forwards some swedes and canadian defenseman as the high end talent".
He then went on to say "Yakupov and Galchenyuk are high end talent". Then said the others names and finished by saying if you believe the agencies.
It sounded to me like reading far too much into at first but after reading the transcript it did look like he was saying that Yakupov and Galchenyuk were the high end forward talent.
You sure have your hand on the pulse of Leafs Nation from Las Vegas. The vocal minority isn't the fanbase. How could we hate a guy that completely hosed Anaheim only months ago for a 1st line defenseman and forward? I think most sane fans realize the good with the bad and are willing to see how things go from here.
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if you guys don't hate him, that's fine. Not my problem either way. The way I saw it is it seems like you guys want him out. Don't act like I've got some unhealthy obsession with Toronto, I can make claims like this about any NHL team because I have a working knowledge of most teams around here.
I never heard this myself but it was reported by someone who watches the bulldogs, said he was on the dog's radio and right before he left they asked him about the draft. his response to paraphrase was
" If you believe the scouting agencies, theres a few russian forwards some swedes and canadian defenseman as the high end talent".
He then went on to say "Yakupov and Galchenyuk are high end talent". Then said the others names and finished by saying if you believe the agencies.
It sounded to me like reading far too much into at first but after reading the transcript it did look like he was saying that Yakupov and Galchenyuk were the high end forward talent.
Does not sound like a man concerned about Galchenyuk's knee injury.
Does not sound like a man concerned about Galchenyuk's knee injury.
Kind of my thoughts as well, I'm sure many teams are going to be taking a long hard look at him come combine time to test out the knee.
Realistically I've liked him more then grigs for most of the season so I'd like to see what he can do. If the habs draft him as well I'd hope they'd send him back to junior for one more year to properly develop, especially since A) Yakupov in all likelihood won't be there and it will give him a chance to be the star in that town, and B) he missed a year of development and even just to build confidence it would be important.
But if you start doing the lineups around Galchenyuk as your number 1 and desharnais and pacioretty as your number 2 line it looks pretty damn sexy
Looks like it could do some damage, especially if Gally and Gallagher could develop some chemistry,
Then you probably write off next season, due to a high probability of weak free agency and no prospects ready to make the jump get another winger or defenseman and you finally have a team that is well built top to bottom.
I was the one who posted it on our draft thread at the Habs board.
Timmins said it on the Bulldogs radio broadcast on Saturday during the first intermission. Heard it with my own ears. I only knew he was on because habsprospects (who posts here) tweeted that he would be on.
I was the one who posted it on our draft thread at the Habs board.
Timmins said it on the Bulldogs radio broadcast on Saturday during the first intermission. Heard it with my own ears. I only knew he was on because habsprospects (who posts here) tweeted that he would be on.
He was I totally spaced on the name to credit sorry Marc
Kind of my thoughts as well, I'm sure many teams are going to be taking a long hard look at him come combine time to test out the knee.
Realistically I've liked him more then grigs for most of the season so I'd like to see what he can do. If the habs draft him as well I'd hope they'd send him back to junior for one more year to properly develop, especially since A) Yakupov in all likelihood won't be there and it will give him a chance to be the star in that town, and B) he missed a year of development and even just to build confidence it would be important.
But if you start doing the lineups around Galchenyuk as your number 1 and desharnais and pacioretty as your number 2 line it looks pretty damn sexy
Looks like it could do some damage, especially if Gally and Gallagher could develop some chemistry,
Then you probably write off next season, due to a high probability of weak free agency and no prospects ready to make the jump get another winger or defenseman and you finally have a team that is well built top to bottom.
I really like that lineup but I don't see us trading Pleks. Simply, he's the perfect #2 center. I'd rather:
-Shift Desharnais to Galchenyuk's wing and put them with Pacioretty. Just look at Boston's centers who can also play wing and vice versa. In the playoffs, that's gold. Desharnais could be like a Pevereley.
-Pair up Plekanec with Cole and look for a left winger.
-Put Bourque with Eller and a guy like Tootoo or Cooke.
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Desharnais
x - Plekanec - Cole
Bourque - Eller - Tootoo
Moen - White - Staubitz*
I really like that lineup but I don't see us trading Pleks. Simply, he's the perfect #2 center. I'd rather:
-Shift Desharnais to Galchenyuk's wing and put them with Pacioretty. Just look at Boston's centers who can also play wing and vice versa. In the playoffs, that's gold. Desharnais could be like a Pevereley.
-Pair up Plekanec with Cole and look for a left winger.
-Put Bourque with Eller and a guy like Tootoo or Cooke.
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Desharnais
x - Plekanec - Cole
Bourque - Eller - Tootoo
Moen - White - Staubitz*
I really like that lineup but I don't see us trading Pleks. Simply, he's the perfect #2 center. I'd rather:
-Shift Desharnais to Galchenyuk's wing and put them with Pacioretty. Just look at Boston's centers who can also play wing and vice versa. In the playoffs, that's gold. Desharnais could be like a Pevereley.
-Pair up Plekanec with Cole and look for a left winger.
-Put Bourque with Eller and a guy like Tootoo or Cooke.
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Desharnais
x - Plekanec - Cole
Bourque - Eller - Tootoo
Moen - White - Staubitz*
If that's the case though I'd see him playing with plekanec, learn the defensive side and provide an offensive spark while not interfering with the already developed chemistry of the second line.
I think Galchenyuk is the real deal, and the second best player available. I really hope he falls to the Ducks at #6 or they trade up and pick him.
those chances are probably as slim as finding 100 bucks on the ground.
Both MTL and TOR need a #1 center. Assuming the lottery does not effect the top 5, Grigs and Gally will most likely be taken by either team. It could even be the case that the 2 of them are taken in the top 4 and TOR even loses out unless they move up. Realistically the only shot you have at Gally is to probably move up. Shultz rights+ pick would be enticing for oilers to overlook, however the NHL entry draft is more than a week before the UFA market opens, so basically a package like that would assume the Ducks have no faith in signing Shultz which I simply dont see any GM in the league giving up on.
those chances are probably as slim as finding 100 bucks on the ground.
Both MTL and TOR need a #1 center. Assuming the lottery does not effect the top 5, Grigs and Gally will most likely be taken by either team. It could even be the case that the 2 of them are taken in the top 4 and TOR even loses out unless they move up. Realistically the only shot you have at Gally is to probably move up. Shultz rights+ pick would be enticing for oilers to overlook, however the NHL entry draft is more than a week before the UFA market opens, so basically a package like that would assume the Ducks have no faith in signing Shultz which I simply dont see any GM in the league giving up on.
When I see posts like this it makes me want to dig up the 2010 pre-draft threads to show how many teams and fans said the exact same thing about Fowler and Gormley.
Though moving Schultz' rights to move up a couple spots isn't a terrible idea. We'd probably still have to add.
You are assuming that the Oilers will pass on Grigorenko. I'm not sure they will
You are also assuming the Isles will pass on Galchenyuk. Their organization is unpredictable even if they have Tavares, Strome and Nelson.
No offense but NYI's organization is unpredictable in that, for all we know they could use #4 on Forsberg, Faksa, Collberg, Rielly, or Ceci.
My hopes are resting on them to pass on Forsberg or Dumba.
As for Edmonton, yes it's very possible. Honestly, we talk about the predraft like we know for sure what team's are gonna do. I wouldn't be shocked to see the top 10 go like this
We really don't know, and for the most part when we make our predictions we do so to make it yield the best result to our favorite team. That's why CBJ fans won't accept anyone but Yakupov, that's why oil and hab fans want Grigorenko, thats why ducks and leafs fans want Galchenyuk, respect to NYI fans just wanting BPA.
Point is, the draft rarely goes the way we expect it to. How many team's said couturier was their pick for sure? We always end up marveling at draft falls and I say it's due to over-confident expectations.
I've almost never seen the Ducks take the guy we wanted
2007: wasn't paying attention to the draft cause even then I thought it was a ****ty pool.
2008: personally wanted Boychuk (yikes) and we wanted Myers. We thought for sure we'd add Myers to our already awesome blueline. We all knew for sure that Burke would take him. Did it happen? Nope. We traded down, passing Myers AND Karlsson to take Gardiner.
2009: we thought for sure we'd get Kreider. Nope. Holland and Palmieri. Can't say I regret that today, but holland was one of the last guys on our mind at 15. We even talked about moving up into the top 10 by trading our two firsts because we were convinced that Kadri would be available at #10
2010: first of all, at number 12 we didn't expect Fowler to be there. Personally he was an after thought because I assumed that for him it was top 5 or hell had frozen over. Our fingers were crossed on niederreiter falling to 12. Being realistic we assumed he'd go 8th. Our expectation was that Murray would take the goal scoring forward from long beach in Etem at number 12 and we'd go for a guy like Toffoli, Coyle, or Kuznetsov at 29. All kinds of wrong. 10 team's passed on fowler (arguably only 3 were right or at least had a good reason) even more passed on Etem. Niederreiter jumped up 3 spots.
2011: at 22 it's hard to have one consensus but we were pretty much convinced that it was either Saad, Puempel, Jenner, or Gibson at 22. Not only were we wrong about that, but all 4 of those players were available at 22 PLUS Zach Phillips. At that point you should've seen us. Oh my god we had Phillips avatars ready to go. We needed a center and we traded down. After that we assumed that we'd take Jenner, Grimaldi, or Saad at 30. Wrong again. We picked Rakell. My mind has changed, but at the time I was furious. I was convinced Rakell could be had with the 37th pick.
2005: to be honest I wasn't big on drafts at this point. But all the pundits said we'd be and were foolish for passing on Jack Johnson for Bobby Ryan. Not sure about the fan consensus, but it was believed that we'd pick JJ 100%. Wrong.
2006: I wanted Giroux. He was always a favorite of mine and I thought he'd go top 15. I was convinced that we'd take him at 19. Look at Giroux now. Look at Mark Mitera now.
I can go on for hours about team's who didn't take guys they were expected to and players falling farther than they should've, players who went higher then they should've: fowler, niederreiter, tarasenko, Schultz, holland, Subban, saad, Schwartz, Campbell, Murphy, couturier, kabanov, Etem, Gibson, Gormley, Phillips, McNeill.
Not saying Burke won't pick Gally, but claims like "You've got a better chance of finding a cent piece on the street" are incorrect first of all and just fuel the post draft outcry when these prospects do fall.
I mean most of those guys I listed didn't suffer a season long injury either. You don't think that that injury+ the early playoff exit won't play a role in this.
Look as far back as 2008. We thought we had Myers on lock. Don't ever trust Burke to do what is expected and makes sense. His ass is on the line now so there's that. But this sense that if Galchenyuk is available MY GM won't hesitate to pick him is just retarded, that even goes for Murray and the Ducks. It wouldn't shock me to see the Ducks pass on Gally for a guy like Dumba. And it wouldn't shock me to see Burke take Forsberg, Faksa, or Trouba for even a minute. Maybe mild shock, but I've watched enough drafts by now to know that you'll probably never see a top 10 group that everyone expected to see.
Ya I wrote at the bottom that it was 2 years down the road.
fail on my part directly missing that key part of your post. Yeah down the road that would be a nice roster providing everybody is still healthy/productive.
No offense but NYI's organization is unpredictable in that, for all we know they could use #4 on Forsberg, Faksa, Collberg, Rielly, or Ceci.
