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02-22-2011, 11:41 AM
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One of the most overrated players on HF, no thanks.

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02-22-2011, 11:42 AM
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Don't like it straight up but maybe Weiss + prospect (Kulikov) for 1sts and Bozak
If Burke managed to make that deal I would carve a statue of him out of butter, because he'd be the smoothest GM in the league.

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02-22-2011, 11:42 AM
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Problem is,we don't have any other way to get a 1st line center. Richards is not going to be a Leaf. +he will ask for 7-8 mil. What other centers are in sight?
Betting on Kadri or Coulborne is very risky.
OK. but Weiss isn't a first line centre.

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02-22-2011, 11:42 AM
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Wouldn't mind the Player but not at that price.

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02-22-2011, 11:42 AM
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I'm at work right now and listening to FAN 590 pretty much all day. Since the morning that are talking about trading Boston's and Philly's firsts for S.Weiss.
What do you guys think?
I don't really thunk that would be enough to get him. But if it somehow went through,I'd be ecstatic.
Too much! Weiss has topped at 60 points - he is not a true number one - and will not be the answer for the Leafs.

Keep the picks - use them - and sign someone in the off-season.

Bottom feeders should not be looking to add at the deadline. Build this team the right way.

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02-22-2011, 11:42 AM
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What makes Weiss worth more than Versteeg??

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02-22-2011, 11:43 AM
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I like Weiss but not enough to overpay for him. I'd like to see us keep our picks in order to offset the expensive UFA shopping Burke does with some young players on ELCs in the future.

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02-22-2011, 11:43 AM
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Ugh! 2 firsts for Weiss? No Thanks! Who speculated that? Doug Maclean?

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02-22-2011, 11:43 AM
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A lot Weiss' perceived value stems from him being on a great contract rather than his actual play. He's a good player but it would take too much to get him imo.
I don't think many people know what he makes off the top of their head. He's a 55-65 point pass-first centre who can gain the zone well. Seems to be a good fit for Kessel.

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02-22-2011, 11:44 AM
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I'd do it, I would prefer to give up 1 first, but there's a good chance he turns out to be a much better player than both first rounders combined. Signed at $3.1 million through 12/13 and he's 27 right now, so it'd allow us alot of cap flexibility going forward.
I agree, his contract makes him very desirable but 2 firsts seem like over payment and may be the sticking point and Like you have indicated, 1 seems more like a start and we may have to give up lesser choices and a prospect.

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02-22-2011, 11:44 AM
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would have to pay more to get him, not worth it, lets just ride it out and wait for the right deal, instead of rushing and trying to get better right now

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I highly doubt Burke is offering that much for Weiss.

He's a good player but nowhere near the player we need.

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02-22-2011, 11:45 AM
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If we're drafting with those picks, I hope its a tough winger with size and a defensive d man.

We don't need a center that'll take 3 years to develop when we have Kadri and Colborne who should develop by next year's end at the least.

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02-22-2011, 11:46 AM
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I would love Stastny or Weiss. I would give our 2 first round picks for either. (Believe me neither of those picks will turn into anything)

Stastny is obviously way better. He is an amazing gifted player. He is very talented, very fast and a leader. Every time you watch the Avs play you can tell why this guy is an allstar; and IMO he's their future captain. He is also only 25 and from Wiki it says he was mentored by Sakic.

Weiss is a Toronto boy. I'm not entirely sure I would give those 2 first round picks for him; but I would definately consider it. He is a solid player and at 27 he is at his prime. He is a good two way player, plays with a lot of heart. I think he needs a change of scenery. I'm also taking a gamble that he will actually get better now (like the Sedins did at this age). Also the fact that he isn't playing with good players in Florida might have a factor.

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02-22-2011, 11:47 AM
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If you didn't like Matt Stajan, you're not going to like Stephen Weiss.

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02-22-2011, 11:48 AM
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Weiss was getting 60 points on a terrible team,with wingers not close to Kessel's talent.
I do believe he is able to get 70-80 points.
+ He doesn't have an insane cap hit. I'd take the risk.

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No IMO. Why do it? Guys like Oleksiak are projected late round picks and now that we have one of the most robust scouting systems in the league, why would you not put them to use with our picks?

Maybe a single first, but even then I'd be uncomfortable with it.

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02-22-2011, 11:49 AM
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I would like Weiss on the team - but not at the cost of the two 1sts.

Look at other "great Florida players" and what happens to them when they get placed on a decent team. They look ordinary (Horton, Boumiwesteer, Jokinen). I think Weiss would fit in with them and wouldn't be worth giving up a fortune for. I would consider MAYBE one of the late 1sts and a guy like Caputi or something, but even then that's a lot to pay.

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02-22-2011, 11:49 AM
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Too much! Weiss has topped at 60 points - he is not a true number one - and will not be the answer for the Leafs.

Keep the picks - use them - and sign someone in the off-season.

Bottom feeders should not be looking to add at the deadline. Build this team the right way.
Sign who though? Its easy to just say "sign someone", but look at the list, nobody good is available except for Richards. If you can get your hands on Richards, obviously thats the way to go. But for a bunch of reasons that seems unlikely.

Anyone you draft in this year's draft will not help the team for 3 years, so if you can turn those assets into a real player now that fits into the plan, I think you do it. On top of that we have 3 centres in the farm system at various levels of development. Again, nobody drafted in this year's class would be making the team any quicker than those guys.

That said, I'm not convinced Weiss is the guy. I'm thinking he's more of a Grabo type guy; a 2nd line centre. Of course it would be a huge upgrade to what we have right now. Who does Weiss play with now? He might do better with a real sniper like Kessel.

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02-22-2011, 11:49 AM
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To give up the 2 1sts it has to be a top line C or LW.

Weiss is so overrated.

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02-22-2011, 11:50 AM
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I like Weiss, but I'd stick with the picks right now.

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02-22-2011, 11:51 AM
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I would like Weiss on the team - but not at the cost of the two 1sts.

Look at other "great Florida players" and what happens to them when they get placed on a decent team. They look ordinary (Horton, Boumiwesteer, Jokinen). I think Weiss would fit in with them and wouldn't be worth giving up a fortune for. I would consider MAYBE one of the late 1sts and a guy like Caputi or something, but even then that's a lot to pay.
They're the 25th and 29th pick in the weakest draft I've ever seen; they're not really "two 1st round picks".

It's not like we're giving away two lottery picsk and a 32nd.

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Doubt it. Plus he has a NMC.

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No thanks to Weiss. I stated on the main boards that yes, Weiss is talented.. But not enough for the price we'd have to give up. That, plus we have now Kadri and Colborne in the system ready for NHL action as soon as next year. More Colborne than Kadri.

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I would personally rather take my chances on drafting a decent prospect with one of the 26th, 28th or 35th picks.

The only good thing about the trade would be the fact that Bozak would no longer be on the top line. God he is horrible.

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