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02-22-2011, 11:53 AM
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Doubt it. Plus he has a NMC.
He's from here, so there atleast is some substance to him waiving it rather than waiving it for like Phoenix, or NYI.

But, no way at that price.

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i dont see the point in trading for weiss. at best he is a canadian grabovski at worst he is a rich mans bozak. either way he doesnt address our need for a TOP line center.

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My bad. How do I change it to speculation instead of rumor?
you cant... what's done is done my friend

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Problem is,we don't have any other way to get a 1st line center. Richards is not going to be a Leaf. +he will ask for 7-8 mil. What other centers are in sight?
Betting on Kadri or Coulborne is very risky.
So betting on a high 1st rounder and a mid-1st who are still young and developing and are looking good/better and improving is a bad idea? I honestly don't get HF boards, you all say "you need to draft and draft in the first round to be successful, we're all patient", yet when the Leafs are doing this you start complaining and saying that we shouldn't be doing it and shouldn't count on our young players to develop.

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He's from here, so there atleast is some substance to him waiving it rather than waiving it for like Phoenix, or NYI.

But, no way at that price.
It's not only him waiving but the Leafs having a player with a NMC moving forward. Limited NTC are one thing but a full No Movement, no thanks.

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I would love Stastny or Weiss. I would give our 2 first round picks for either. (Believe me neither of those picks will turn into anything)

Stastny is obviously way better. He is an amazing gifted player. He is very talented, very fast and a leader. Every time you watch the Avs play you can tell why this guy is an allstar; and IMO he's their future captain. He is also only 25 and from Wiki it says he was mentored by Sakic.

Weiss is a Toronto boy. I'm not entirely sure I would give those 2 first round picks for him; but I would definately consider it. He is a solid player and at 27 he is at his prime. He is a good two way player, plays with a lot of heart. I think he needs a change of scenery. I'm also taking a gamble that he will actually get better now (like the Sedins did at this age). Also the fact that he isn't playing with good players in Florida might have a factor.
Would love to have Stastny...Bob McKenzie on TSN said he would be hard to move because of his contract...it is one contract I would take...That could be our number 1 centre...expensive, but very good and only 24.

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Guys,these are are two LATE FIRSTS,pretty much 2nd rounders.

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I'm at work right now and listening to FAN 590 pretty much all day. Since the morning that are talking about trading Boston's and Philly's firsts for S.Weiss.
What do you guys think?
I don't really thunk that would be enough to get him. But if it somehow went through,I'd be ecstatic.
I agree in that 2 X late 1sts in a weak draft is not enough to obtain Stephen Weiss.

Florida would want more than that. IMO

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What would be the point? We already have a second line center and Weiss isn't good enough to be a first line center. Could he play the wing?
So would you rather have 1 2nd line centre and and a bunch of other scrub centers or 2 2nd line centers? There is 1 legit 1st line centre hitting the market this year. Not to many options there, so I would rather have 2 2nd liner centers at least.

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I think Burke should be a bit sensitive of 2, 1st round picks deals from now on (even though these 1st round picks are pretty much late 1sts). I doubt this is real.

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Guys,these are are two LATE FIRSTS,pretty much 2nd rounders.
Who cares? There's plenty of good players available at those spots.

People complain that we don't have a first all year, now we have TWO!!! and people want to trade them.

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Just keep the 2 1sts and replenish the prospect pool with some necessary pieces - our firsts and second should net us Victor Rask, Vladislav Nameshtikhinov and Colin Jacobs. That's the better alternative, in my honest opinion.

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No thanks to Weiss. I stated on the main boards that yes, Weiss is talented.. But not enough for the price we'd have to give up. That, plus we have now Kadri and Colborne in the system ready for NHL action as soon as next year. More Colborne than Kadri.
Ceteris perebis, I wouldn't start slotting in Kadri or Colborne for next year. It seems like the Marlies will have an even better team next year with Gardiner, Blacker and Frattin joining. I'd love to see Kadri and Colborne have a really good showing next year in the AHL and make a run for the Calder cup. Additionally, we saw all to clearly what having those expectations can do to a player this past summer with Kadri.

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So betting on a high 1st rounder and a mid-1st who are still young and developing and are looking good/better and improving is a bad idea? I honestly don't get HF boards, you all say "you need to draft and draft in the first round to be successful, we're all patient", yet when the Leafs are doing this you start complaining and saying that we shouldn't be doing it and shouldn't count on our young players to develop.
How can you be sure that either of them is going to be ready next year? That's what I meant.

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If you didn't like Matt Stajan, you're not going to like Stephen Weiss.
This.

He would be an upgrade on Bozak, but in no way should two number 1 picks be used to try and aquire him. If Burke is hell bent on trading the picks, then bundle them up in some sort of package to get a true, big-time talent. Otherwise, keep the picks and try a trade at the draft where they are more coveted, or just let the scouts do their job.

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Why does everyone love Weiss so much. He is pretty overrated IMO
this.

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Would love to have Stastny...Bob McKenzie on TSN said he would be hard to move because of his contract...it is one contract I would take...That could be our number 1 centre...expensive, but very good and only 24.
Is Stastny actually available though? If so, the Leafs are one of a precious few teams that can take on that salary at this point in the season. I would offer Kadri and both 2011 1st round picks for Paul Stastny all day long...

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Is Stastny actually available though? If so, the leafs are one of a precious few teams that can take on that salary at this point in the season. I would offer Kadri and both 2011 1st round picks for Paul Stastny all day long...
I wouldn't trade Kadri for him,but I'd make a very serious push.
Wouldn't that be funny? 2 last picks in the All-Star draft litting it up together.

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I'd prefer the 1sts be used for something more constructive, like a package for a more important player if that is the route Burke is determined to go, not pick up Florida garbage for real assets. When was the last time anybody had to pay an honest price to extract anything off the Panthers?

Anyway, I literally hate Weiss for his overratedness, so I'd be pretty much against this.

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Dean Tallon isn't that dumb to make that kind of deal with Toronto.

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No way do we trade 2 x 1sts for Weiss! Tallon will probably put him on waivers before long. Heck, there might even be a contract dispute and he'll send him back down to Junior! /trolling

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No way do we trade 2 x 1sts for Weiss! Tallon will probably put him on waivers before long. Heck, there might even be a contract dispute and he'll send him back down to Junior! /trolling
Sorry,but lolwut?

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Ceteris perebis, I wouldn't start slotting in Kadri or Colborne for next year. It seems like the Marlies will have an even better team next year with Gardiner, Blacker and Frattin joining. I'd love to see Kadri and Colborne have a really good showing next year in the AHL and make a run for the Calder cup. Additionally, we saw all to clearly what having those expectations can do to a player this past summer with Kadri.
I expect both players to play the majority of next season in the AHL, as well.

Regardless, to pay a high price for Weiss, who's nothing phenomenal, would be foolish considering what we may have waiting for us in the near future.

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There is no way he moves both of those picks unless it's a slam-dunk deal (which Weiss isn't).

Toronto will be picking in the first round this year.

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Why does everyone love Weiss so much. He is pretty overrated IMO
Agree- He reminds me of Stajan

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